Gender discrimination - woman on woman
Gender discrimination for mothers by women
I found this article very interesting because the defendants were both women who had been found to have discriminated against a female employee based off gender stereotypes.
So a few questions that we can ponder and discuss. The defendants, both women claimed it wasn't gender discrimination. They claimed that a new variable, parenthood, had altered the performance and commitment of the employee. So they claimed there were truly two variables under consideration gender + parenthood. They also claimed that it must be compared to what would have been said about men to show a difference or the actual discrimination.
The plaintiff claims she had previously received several positive recommendations, but had several complaints lodged against her, under encouragement from the two female administrators, and began receiving negative evaluations that led to nonrenewal and of course no tenure for her position.
The discrimination was also based off two remarks called "innocuous words" by a lower court, but not by this three judge panel. The hearing was to see if the two women would be shielded from the lawsuit or party to it. It will now go to trial.
So your thoughts, if women are making decisions about women, is that gender discrimination and stereotyping? What about the opposite of that for men? (Oh he has a family now so we know he is chained to his job and can work longer hours, or the opposite, he won't care about his job now.)
Do the parent complaints reflect the reality of this woman not being as committed to her job, or possibly just fraying on the twin requirements of motherhood plus very heavy duty type job, or were the administrators just reflecting reality, that having children and working certain jobs with certain requirments is very hard for all genders. A stereotype is considered an ignorant or simplified view of a group. Can women have ignorant or simplified views about themselves? What about men?
What do you think?
Nick
I found this article very interesting because the defendants were both women who had been found to have discriminated against a female employee based off gender stereotypes.
So a few questions that we can ponder and discuss. The defendants, both women claimed it wasn't gender discrimination. They claimed that a new variable, parenthood, had altered the performance and commitment of the employee. So they claimed there were truly two variables under consideration gender + parenthood. They also claimed that it must be compared to what would have been said about men to show a difference or the actual discrimination.
The plaintiff claims she had previously received several positive recommendations, but had several complaints lodged against her, under encouragement from the two female administrators, and began receiving negative evaluations that led to nonrenewal and of course no tenure for her position.
The discrimination was also based off two remarks called "innocuous words" by a lower court, but not by this three judge panel. The hearing was to see if the two women would be shielded from the lawsuit or party to it. It will now go to trial.
So your thoughts, if women are making decisions about women, is that gender discrimination and stereotyping? What about the opposite of that for men? (Oh he has a family now so we know he is chained to his job and can work longer hours, or the opposite, he won't care about his job now.)
Do the parent complaints reflect the reality of this woman not being as committed to her job, or possibly just fraying on the twin requirements of motherhood plus very heavy duty type job, or were the administrators just reflecting reality, that having children and working certain jobs with certain requirments is very hard for all genders. A stereotype is considered an ignorant or simplified view of a group. Can women have ignorant or simplified views about themselves? What about men?
What do you think?
Nick
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In general, women and minorities must do far better than men to get the same respect and security in the workplace. Past that, both women and minorities have to show that they can play the game and acquiesce to the dominant (white male) culture.
Of course, there are also just dumbass women out there who have adopted stupid ideas about employment and family.
Originally posted by trumptman
Gender discrimination for mothers by women
I found this article very interesting because the defendants were both women who had been found to have discriminated against a female employee based off gender stereotypes.
So a few questions that we can ponder and discuss. The defendants, both women claimed it wasn't gender discrimination. They claimed that a new variable, parenthood, had altered the performance and commitment of the employee. So they claimed there were truly two variables under consideration gender + parenthood. They also claimed that it must be compared to what would have been said about men to show a difference or the actual discrimination.
The gender + parenthood argument was inane on the surface and ultimately tossed out by the judge. I think this pretty much takes care of it: "He said "it takes no special training to discern stereotyping in the view that a woman cannot 'be a good mother' and have a job that requires long hours, or in the statement that a mother who received tenure 'would not show the same level of commitment [she] had shown because [she] had little ones at home.'"
Originally posted by trumptman
So your thoughts, if women are making decisions about women, is that gender discrimination and stereotyping?
Of course. Gender discrimination depends on the message, not the messenger. I think it just goes to show you how ingrained gender stereotypes are in our society- that even women, marginalized by the resulting discrimination, accept those roles.
Originally posted by trumptman
What about the opposite of that for men? (Oh he has a family now so we know he is chained to his job and can work longer hours, or the opposite, he won't care about his job now.)
Men generally benefit from gender stereotyping in the workplace. But it would be nice if employers stop discriminating against parents generally speaking. I think we need to discuss putting in place policies that are flexible enough to accommodate the lives of women and men outside the workplace.
Read it.
Originally posted by bunge
Just for reference, some black people actually joined the KKK.
Is Michael Jackson the Child Molester one of them? (does anyone remember that Michael Jackson was black when he was a kid?)
-Neø