Intellectual Challenges

Posted:
in General Discussion edited January 2014
I come to a point every year or so when I feel like I am simply not being challenged intellectually at all. I have also become complacent in this regard, choosing other forms of challenges to "ease my mind", mostly physical like working 14 hour days. What develops in me during these incidents is a sort of depression, my mind wanders aimlessly looking at the books I have collected/read, mostly science texts and a intro english novel or two, and i can't help but wonder why I am doing science. I came to the conclusion today that mostly I do it because people around me couldn't, and this has been a common theme in my intellectual development that really hasn't been put into words until today. I have patterned my life on doing things that other people couldn't do. And what I do is chemistry, biology, and physics with a significant and working knowledge in all three. For the longest time I had a fortune cookie fortune on my doorway at home that said "The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." It strikes me now because it struck me then because I knew. I guess I have known for a long time that I choose to pursue the sciences because those around me saw them as impossible to understand. I firmly believe that I can do anything I want, and yet I find myself in the sciences, bored out of my mind (currently, and perhaps longer than that), entertaining my self with complex Rube Goldberg like designed proteins that do something like spitting out hydrogen from water and light. At some point I will have to act on these dreams and prove myself right or wrong but the problem will remain -- failures have easy explanations; being right doesn't make an interesting story and a five second fantasy can take a lifetime to prove. The problem with any field is that you are confined to thinking about a single subject (or a series of subjects that are intimately related) for a long time until you move on. All the ideas that go into a scientific manuscript take less than a day, generally, to figure out and with a working vocabulary most anyone can understand them in less than five minutes.



I wish I had people to talk to about subjects other than science, but I have surrounded myself with boring people (scientists) who either talk about science or what there pet birds did the other day. God, I am in my own created hell...



So what do you do to keep yourself intellectually stimulated?
«1

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 37
    Try Mensa. If you qualify, there are many opportunities to meet people who will challenge you intellectually, especially if you live in or near a larger city (population over 1,000,000).



    The main problem with challenging yourself intellectually is finding someone with whom to share those challenges. Without that you can lose interest. The two areas that I get constantly challenged in outside of my profession are theology and mathematics. I have entered into numerous interesting theological discussions with people of other faiths than my own, not with the intent of converting or being converted, but mainly to understand what they believe and why and what kind of universal truth there is amongst the various religions. The other is mathematics. Although my degree is in math, my career is not, so math is a 'hobby' more or less. Because of my interest in math and because of software I have written for others to use, I am regularly challenged to improve the efficiency of my software and am directed in ways that I would not have imagined when I started this.



    Just my two cents.
  • Reply 2 of 37
    wrong robotwrong robot Posts: 3,907member
    Music Theory.



    But also, anthropology and philosophy are regular topics of discussion around the apartment
  • Reply 3 of 37
    billybobskybillybobsky Posts: 1,914member
    I am philosophically opposed to mensa (and yes, I qualified a long time ago).



    I find that I intimidate people around me when I discuss... perhaps yet another reason why its hard for me to find things to discuss...
  • Reply 4 of 37
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by billybobsky

    So what do you do to keep yourself intellectually stimulated?



    This weekend I bought a copy of Swank magazine. Good stuff, good stuff.
  • Reply 5 of 37
    jubelumjubelum Posts: 4,490member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge

    This weekend I bought a copy of Swank magazine. Good stuff, good stuff.



  • Reply 6 of 37
    billybobskybillybobsky Posts: 1,914member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge

    This weekend I bought a copy of Swank magazine. Good stuff, good stuff.



    At least its written erotica...
  • Reply 7 of 37
    crazychestercrazychester Posts: 1,339member
    Are you bored with the work you do or the people you work with?



    The two don't necessarily go hand in hand.



    In my experience, being bored with what you do is a bigger problem than being bored with who you work with.
  • Reply 8 of 37
    shetlineshetline Posts: 4,695member
    Try figuring out what it is that would make people want to vote for Bush.



    Once you've figured that out, try to develop a cure.



    I realize this would likely be a life's work, but if you can come up with something in, like, oh... six months would be good... history will praise you and remember your name.
  • Reply 9 of 37
    billybobskybillybobsky Posts: 1,914member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by crazychester

    Are you bored with the work you do or the people you work with?



    The two don't necessarily go hand in hand.



    In my experience, being bored with what you do is a bigger problem than being bored with who you work with.




    Both... as I said... hell...
  • Reply 10 of 37
    airslufairsluf Posts: 1,861member
    Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.



    Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.



    Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
  • Reply 11 of 37
    bartobarto Posts: 2,246member
    CompSci sucks. I'd rather be a drug****ed highschool dropout singing in a band than completing a B.IT at Uni.



    Intellectual Challenges are overrated.



    Barto
  • Reply 12 of 37
    shetline's post gets my vote for best working of the political into a non-political thread to date (and something I think you should give some serious consideration to billybob).



    .
    Quote:

    Originally posted by billybobsky

    Both... as I said... hell...



    Seriously seriously tho', if you had your time over, is there any work that you think might have provided the necessary amount of intellectual challenge? Would doing any one thing for a lifetime's work ever have been satisfying? Personally, I think "specializing" is a problem for a lot of people nowadays.
  • Reply 13 of 37
    shetlineshetline Posts: 4,695member
    I run hot and cold with what I do for a living... software engineering. Sometimes what I'm working on is challenging and interesting, sometimes I'm at a stage where it's all coming together and I enjoy the craftmanship of honing the little details to perfection.



    Other times, however, my work is deadly dull. A solution is obvious, but takes a lot of tedious work to implement. Or I need to learn something new (a protocol, an API, etc.) to get a particular job done, but that something is really, really painfully boring.



    Many of the "white papers" and other technical documents that I've had to read are so dry I literally have a hard time staying awake trying to get through them. It seems that a lot of people are convinced that "serious" work has to be as flat, colorless, and antiseptically detached as they can possibly make it. A lot of authors of such documents also seem to follow the rule "Why use a simple, concrete example that would have made this whole thing clear by the end of page one when I can stay aloof and abstract and impress you how smart I am for pages on end instead?"



    For the most part, the good outweighs the bad, so I'm happy to stick with what I'm doing, at the same company where I'm doing it. There are many companies I wouldn't want to work for, however, and many jobs within my field I wouldn't want to take.



    If some of the work style trends I've seen in software were to become universal, I'd probably just bail out of the field, as painful as that would probably be financially, rather than try to force myself to adapt to doing work that I would find crushingly dull all of the time.
  • Reply 14 of 37
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Barto

    CompSci sucks. I'd rather be a drug****ed highschool dropout singing in a band than completing a B.IT at Uni.





    You used to be able to be both when I was at uni.
  • Reply 15 of 37
    Enjoy it while you can.



    I've come to a state where i can't stop thinking about physics. Every time I am not doing something it comes to my mind and can't get help it.



    It's pleasurable, yes, but it is also disturbing when it doesn't let you sleep.
  • Reply 16 of 37
    bartobarto Posts: 2,246member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by crazychester

    You used to be able to be both when I was at uni.



    Nirvana played at the ANU bar once. Now you're lucky if Triple J is playing



    Times change



    Barto
  • Reply 17 of 37
    kraig911kraig911 Posts: 912member
    welcome to the rat race...



    oh and don't touch my cheese.
  • Reply 18 of 37
    carol acarol a Posts: 1,043member
    Hi Billybobsky -



    Go to your local library and join a book discussion group. They have non-fiction groups, mystery groups, maybe even a Great Books group (outstanding world literature). You will get to know some interesting people that way, and be exposed to stimulating literature.



    Get involved in an activity like hiking, backpacking, climbing, scuba diving, photography, watercolor painting...something different from what you're used to.



    Take a night class in a field outside of yours.



    The Mensa thing - why are you "philosophically" opposed to it? The whole point of such a group is for incredibly bright people to have others with whom to communicate. The people there are in all kinds of occupations. What they share is lively intellects and the desire to associate and communicate with similar individuals.



    It sounds like the very group that would be perfect for your needs is the very one you refuse to try. I think everything's worth a try. What do you have to lose? Nothing but an hour or two of your time. But you have much that could be gained...a whole new world of interesting people and fascinating friends.
  • Reply 19 of 37
    curiousuburbcuriousuburb Posts: 3,325member
    books are good, as is reading in general (mags or web)



    the occasional crossword or word game works out some parts of the brain,

    throw in some foreign language work or music to stretch further

    tetris or 3d shape manipulation work other centers



    Though I don't believe males have a brain center for understanding women,

    it might make a stimulating research study if you could get a grant and good subjects.

  • Reply 20 of 37
    crazychestercrazychester Posts: 1,339member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Barto

    Nirvana played at the ANU bar once. Now you're lucky if Triple J is playing



    Times change



    Barto




    Ah the ANU uni bar......can I even begin to describe the influence THAT place had on my life (well I could but it'd bore everybody shitless). Of course, it used to be upstairs back in The Olden Days.



    Got a few Old Dog ANU Student Tricks I might PM to you later if I don't doze off on the lounge after dinner (rather than derail bb's thread further). If you're up for either of them, I'd get a real kick out of knowing if they still work (one involves free money, the other involves free beer).



    Chin up Barto. Just remember you're there to have a GOOD TIME first and get a degree second. Stick to that philosophy and you can't go far wrong. (Oh hell you can go far wrong but that doesn't change the fact these should be some of the best days of your life - curses to the modern world).
Sign In or Register to comment.