New Draft in the works?
Received this email today along with these two links...
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:
http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr163.htm
I'm not too confident that this will get pushed through, but what will it mean for 20 year olds like me who don't think I should be forced to fight Bush's war that he shouldn't have started in the first place? I guess we'll see.
_
> >Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
> >The Draft will Start in June 2005
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >There is pending legislation in the House and
> Senate (twin bills: S 89
> >and HR 163) which will time the program's
> initiation so the draft can
> >begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the
> 2004 presidential
> >election. The administration is quietly trying to
> get these bills
> >passed now, while the public's attention is on the
> elections, so our
> >action on this is needed immediately.
> >
> >$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective
> Service System (SSS)
> >budget to prepare for a military draft that could
> start as early as
> >June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to
> Bush on March 31, 2005
> >that the system, which has lain dormant for
> decades, is ready for
> >activation. Please see website:
>www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.htmlto
> >view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year
> 2004.
> >
> >The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to
> fill all 10,350
> >draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board
> slots nationwide..
> >Though this is an unpopular election year topic,
> military experts and
> >influential members of congress are suggesting that
> if Rumsfeld's
> >prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and
> Afghanistan [and a
> >permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves
> accurate, the U.S. may
> >have no choice but to draft.
> >
> >Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163
> forward this year,
>
>http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp
> entitled the
> >Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide
> for the common
> >defense by requiring that all young persons [age
> 18--26] in the United
> >States, including women, perform a period of
> military service or a
> >period of civilian service in furtherance of the
> national defense and
> >homeland security, and for other purposes." These
> active bills
> >currently sit in the committee on armed services.
> >
> >Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those
> from the Vietnam
> >era.
> >
> >College and Canada will not be options. In December
> 2001, Canada and
> >the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which
> could be used to
> >keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's
> minister of foreign
> >affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security
> director, Tom Ridge,
> >the declaration involves a 30-point plan which
> implements, among other
> >things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people
> entering and departing
> >each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft
> more equitable along
> >gender and class lines also eliminates higher
> education as a shelter.
> >Underclassmen would only be able to postpone
> service until the end of
> >their current semester. Seniors would have until
> the end of the
> >academic year.
> >
> >Even those voters who currently support US actions
> abroad may still
> >object to this move, knowing their own children or
> grandchildren will
> >not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it
> should make a
> >difference, but this plan, among other things,
> eliminates higher
> >education as a
> >shelter and includes women in the draft.
> >
> >The public has a right to air their opinions about
> such an important
> >decision.
> >
> >Please send this on to all the friends, parents,
> aunts and uncles,
> >grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your
> children know too --
> >it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice
> for change!
> >
> >Please also contact your representatives to ask
> them why they aren't
> >telling their constituents about these bills -- and
> contact newspapers
> >and other media outlets to ask them why they're not
> covering this
> >important story.
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:
http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr163.htm
I'm not too confident that this will get pushed through, but what will it mean for 20 year olds like me who don't think I should be forced to fight Bush's war that he shouldn't have started in the first place? I guess we'll see.
_
> >Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
> >The Draft will Start in June 2005
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >There is pending legislation in the House and
> Senate (twin bills: S 89
> >and HR 163) which will time the program's
> initiation so the draft can
> >begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the
> 2004 presidential
> >election. The administration is quietly trying to
> get these bills
> >passed now, while the public's attention is on the
> elections, so our
> >action on this is needed immediately.
> >
> >$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective
> Service System (SSS)
> >budget to prepare for a military draft that could
> start as early as
> >June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to
> Bush on March 31, 2005
> >that the system, which has lain dormant for
> decades, is ready for
> >activation. Please see website:
>www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.htmlto
> >view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year
> 2004.
> >
> >The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to
> fill all 10,350
> >draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board
> slots nationwide..
> >Though this is an unpopular election year topic,
> military experts and
> >influential members of congress are suggesting that
> if Rumsfeld's
> >prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and
> Afghanistan [and a
> >permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves
> accurate, the U.S. may
> >have no choice but to draft.
> >
> >Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163
> forward this year,
>
>http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp
> entitled the
> >Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide
> for the common
> >defense by requiring that all young persons [age
> 18--26] in the United
> >States, including women, perform a period of
> military service or a
> >period of civilian service in furtherance of the
> national defense and
> >homeland security, and for other purposes." These
> active bills
> >currently sit in the committee on armed services.
> >
> >Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those
> from the Vietnam
> >era.
> >
> >College and Canada will not be options. In December
> 2001, Canada and
> >the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which
> could be used to
> >keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's
> minister of foreign
> >affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security
> director, Tom Ridge,
> >the declaration involves a 30-point plan which
> implements, among other
> >things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people
> entering and departing
> >each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft
> more equitable along
> >gender and class lines also eliminates higher
> education as a shelter.
> >Underclassmen would only be able to postpone
> service until the end of
> >their current semester. Seniors would have until
> the end of the
> >academic year.
> >
> >Even those voters who currently support US actions
> abroad may still
> >object to this move, knowing their own children or
> grandchildren will
> >not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it
> should make a
> >difference, but this plan, among other things,
> eliminates higher
> >education as a
> >shelter and includes women in the draft.
> >
> >The public has a right to air their opinions about
> such an important
> >decision.
> >
> >Please send this on to all the friends, parents,
> aunts and uncles,
> >grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your
> children know too --
> >it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice
> for change!
> >
> >Please also contact your representatives to ask
> them why they aren't
> >telling their constituents about these bills -- and
> contact newspapers
> >and other media outlets to ask them why they're not
> covering this
> >important story.
Comments
Listen I'm not gonna use this as a bashing opportunity however... We elect our presidents in this country. Its not Bush's war its the country's war. Another draft will likely not come to pass, but if it does its our obligation to fight for the rights and freedoms that we are granted in this country. Is it fun? NO IT SUCKS, but whining about it as a possibility or a fact isnt going to relinquish the fact that this is something that americans have to deal with. not bush's war, not bush's war, not bush's war...bleh
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=200
I would probably take a little trip to Canada.
Did my time.
Originally posted by groverat
I don't know what I would do if I were drafted.
I would probably take a little trip to Canada.
Not with the current post-911 beefed-up border security and computer databases.
Originally posted by Playmaker
not bush's war, not bush's war, not bush's war...bleh
Yeah, but he's "not my president".
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html
Kerry would have gone to Iraq, killed a bunch of insurgents, and then come back and protested it. "I actually fought for this war before I fought against it."
Originally posted by BRussell
And we never tire of it!
No, YOU never tire of it.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
No, YOU never tire of it.
Nick
If your tired of it don't read it and/or don't respond to it. Simple.
Originally posted by Anders
In the top of this forum I have linked to some good election related pages on the net. in one of them you´ll find this:
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=200
Thanks, that's interesting. Just posted to get reactions and insight. And as for Bush...we didn't elect him, and yes...it is his war. There are plenty of people in this country and the world who opposed it. I'm not going further into it. And I totally respect those fighting today, many of which are close friends of mine. They don't want to be there nor do they know why they are there. As for me, I'm no good at taking orders and killing people is kind of against my mindset, and we're not "defending freedom in America"