What happened to the Tape Backup Industry?

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
Hard Drives keep getting larger and larger. This makes backing up your data a little harder. I've noticed that Tape Storage companies like Onstream and Ecrix(bought by Exabyte) have reduced their marketing efforts to consumers.



Does it just make sense to purchase a larger drive now and archive data to it?



Is DVD-R for Data the next Archiving media?



Looks like Tape Drives are slowly becoming Dinosaurs unless you're talking DLT and AIT II.



Looks like I might have to justify that DVD-R purchase sooner rather than later.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 14
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    Quite simple:

    - CD-R and DVD-R/DVD-RAM/DVD-RW are faster AND cheaper (and probably even more durable)

    - Harddrives have not only gotten bigger, but also much cheaper, so backing up to a harddrive is definitely more attractive than a tape drive today.

    especially as

    - tape drives are ridiculously expensive, if they should be capable of holding reasonable amounts of data. tape media are even worse.

    - tape backups are the last backups that still can't access all data almost immediately

    - server side backup systems have grown more popular, as more and more computers are organized in networks



    Those tape mechanisms that were popular for normal people a few years ago all had capacities around 300-1000MB. They were slow, the media was expensive and you had to backup everyting at once back and forth. CD-R and CD-RW do replace these drives 200%. Anyone else needs backup space in excess of 20GB per medium, which is simply not affordable by a private person, as both drives and media easily cost 4x the cost of a DVD-R drive.



    So yes, for home use, tapes are DEAD.



    G-News
  • Reply 2 of 14
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    Thanks G-News.



    I was stuck in some sort of Time Warp. I think I'll start budgeting for that DVD-R and with IDE drives as cheap as they are I'll look to add more drives as Backups.
  • Reply 3 of 14
    Just this past year we phased our exabyte storage systems out and went to TSM. For our new unix servers like the ibm p650 and p630, they came with DVD-R drives. All their new servers come shipped with them, unless stated, now for system backups (mksysb) and what not. Its a lot cheaper and more reliable than tape.
  • Reply 4 of 14
    For home use, I would use an external (or "other") IDE drive for my back ups. You can do a full one-to-one copy, and use another partition for incremental Retrospect-type copies. It makes restores easier as well.



    One of the issues is that there is only one backup media, where with tape you can rotate two or three tapes, leaving you with 2 or 3 generations of backups.



    Uh... what was the question again?
  • Reply 5 of 14
    Sipmple Answer:

    Tape Drives have always sucked. Once large external fast harddrives were available they died.



    Ex.

    Iomega's "Ditto" - took 20 min to load the tape and forever to backup.
  • Reply 6 of 14
    [quote] There are only two kinds of hard drives - those that have failed and those that will fail. - Steve Gibson <hr></blockquote>

    Tapes are still the workhorse of the back-up industry. Pixar backs up to a huge tape library. Tape is a back-up medium though, not archival. There is a good reason for this. Tapes have high capacities and they have fast write speeds compared to optical drives.



    Depends on what the goals of backing up your data are? Nothing is truly safe. Are you going to keep your media in a fire proof safe *rated* to protect media? Are you going to keep back-ups offsite? Are you going to back-up often? How far you willing to go? That ultimately decides how protected your data is.



    Do you need longtime archival storage? That is data you won't need to touch for a while (hopefully)? Then go optical.



    Do you need to back-up data on a weekly basis in case your drive fails tomorrow? Then use tape, or invest in a RAID 5 system. I wouldn't trust my data with anything less.



    You should also ask yourself how much of your data really needs to be backed up? I have a 120GB drive, and if it failed tomorrow, only about 10 - 20GB would be personal information I would be unable to reinstall. So when I run my backups, I don't backup the OS, or my applications and games. That stuff is not important in the grand scheme of things, and as such, I don't need to waste time backing it up.



    Pixar uses a massive tape library controlled by robots shuttling tapes between 100+ drives and tens of thousands of slots. Incremental backups are done every hour, and tapes are cycled at regular intervals to keep the media in good condition.



    Anyhow, I guess whatever you can afford. Any backup method is better than none. You can find a good AIT drive fairly inexpensively. Set retrospect to backup to it every night while you're asleep. I can do a 100GB backup while I sleep with no problem to AIT. However, archiving for the long term, optical all the way.
  • Reply 7 of 14
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    When I was a kid, my neighbor had a tape drive loaded with games on his C-64, tape was cool back then.
  • Reply 8 of 14
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    We probably have to see the relations here a bit.

    As a home user or small office, you're talking about backups most likely not exceeding half a Terrabyte (500GB). Pixar however is most certainly shoveling whole film renders around on their tapes with various version etc totalling to enormous amouns of data, most certainly a few hundred Terrabytes.

    Also their backup system most certainly costs more than your whole family has owned money and goods during the past 150 years.



    G-News
  • Reply 9 of 14
    I'm not saying people need high end tape systems to backup their data. Any backup plan is better than nothing. Using Pixar is simply showing how companies that have high demands for backups on a regular basis are in fact using tape, this proving that tape still plays a very important role in backing up today. But...



    1) Backing up to an IDE hard drive and trusting anything important to that is shooting yourself in the foot. Backing up to a RAID 5 array is better, and backing up to a RAID 5 array that is mirrored by another array is again even better. That's if you really are convinced you have to go the route of a hard drive for backing up.



    2) Just because Fortune 500 companies use tape doesn't mean that you can't. I'm seeing lots of AIT drives selling on ebay for around a hundred dollars, or you can get a nicer one for a couple of hundred. AIT is fast, it is reliable, and it holds a lot of data. For only a couple hundred dollars (The price of an IDE drive) you can have a tape backup method in place. This is a better solution for short term weekly/monthly backups. It's going to be faster than optical as well.



    You don't have to spend a fortune to get a good tape system. If you make sure to cycle your tapes properly, you'd be in excellent shape. But trusting your data to a hard drive for backup.... still, I'm just glad you're not in charge of backing up my data.
  • Reply 10 of 14
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,107member
    I've backed up to harddrives several times (back when I had no burner), detached it and put it in a safe place. That always worked for me.

    If you can get a tape drive and a sufficient amount of tapes for little money, do it, I'm not holding anyone off. But rumor has that things that get sold on ebay in masses, are getting sold for a reason. Rumor also has that owners of drives that are no longer on sale often see themselves confronted with exponentially rising media prices.



    G-News
  • Reply 11 of 14
    I've been running incremental backups from my TiBook to a 60gig IBM Deskstar connected through a Wiebetech firewire bridge. The IBM drive had a head-crash two days ago. I lost my backup images and some misc. large files. It's not TOO bad, but I'm turned-off by the hard drive backup option now. The servers I run at work are RAID5 and RAID50 with DDS4 backups.... What type of options do I have with a Powerbook? I have lots of spare SCSI disks and tape drives, etc., but I've gotten the impression that SCSI and OS X don't get along. Any suggestions?
  • Reply 12 of 14
    If you have a spare machine, you can plug the tape drive into that machine and use it as a backup server. Here, for instance, I have a backup server that sits on my network. It starts backing up all machines on my network at about 3am to AIT tape using Retrospect.



    If you can't do that, I wouldn't say SCSI in X sucks. I've had no issues. Retrospect sees my tape drive fine in OS X, and I've run large SCSI JBODs with no problem under OS X. My SCSI burners, on the other hand, have been rendered useless
  • Reply 13 of 14
    keshkesh Posts: 621member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>When I was a kid, my neighbor had a tape drive loaded with games on his C-64, tape was cool back then. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Ohhh, yea. I had one of those. The tape drives used regular audio cassettes, and you actually had to know about how far into the tape a program started. Fast-forward to that spot, type the Run command and press play... hoping you did it quick enough.



    The advantage was that floppy drives cost nearly as much as the computer itself at the time, while cassettes were dirt cheap.
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