Intel Innovating... Where is Apple?
http://www20.tomshardware.com/mobile...alviso-06.html
Intel has added pc-express cards (PCI-Express) bus to their laptops through a multiple format PC card slot taking regular pc cards as well as the new pc-express...
Most wintel laptops have dual layer burners, while my powerbook can't even BTO for one.
Grr. Probably apple saving "dual layer" (boohoo) for the new feature set of the g5 laptop. Great dual layer will come out only about year after windows laptops have had it.
Even 3rd party mac manactures offer it...
Intel has added pc-express cards (PCI-Express) bus to their laptops through a multiple format PC card slot taking regular pc cards as well as the new pc-express...
Most wintel laptops have dual layer burners, while my powerbook can't even BTO for one.
Grr. Probably apple saving "dual layer" (boohoo) for the new feature set of the g5 laptop. Great dual layer will come out only about year after windows laptops have had it.
Even 3rd party mac manactures offer it...
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Any card that would require PCI-Ex would probably melt the hell out of any laptop.
My brother's 5950 (AGP 8x) required two 80MM fans to be added to the case.
Where is the "pain point" for laptop users needing PCI Express? While I believe in the technology and it's eventual usefullness however I won't lose sleep over it right now. I think portables need better battery life and higher performance.
By the time the Powerbook G5 comes out, they might be equipped with new Blu-Ray (high definition dvd) burners.
Due to the high bandwidth that a PCIe-x1 lane offers, HDTV or Dual-TV tuner solutions for notebooks, for example, will be possible. Because the Express Card communicates directly with the chipset via PCIe, no expensive bridge chips are required. Consequently, Express Card solutions should in theory be not only faster but less expensive than corresponding CardBus products.
I'm sure their are just legions of users who are extrememly frustrated that they cannot view HDTV or have Dual Tuners in their laptops. Those poor souls that have to go with external options <Gasp>
Grr. Probably apple saving "dual layer" (boohoo) for the new feature set of the g5 laptop. Great dual layer will come out only about year after windows laptops have had it.
Somebody please explain the big deal about Dual Layer drives to me. Since I'm having such a hard time understanding its importance currently. Here's why.
1. Cost- recording two DVD-5s cost you less than $2. Recording one DL disc costs you what 3x that?
2. Speed- With DVD-5 I can burn 16x DVDs. With DL I'm stuck with 2.4x on the avg.
3. Compatibility- DL discs aren't even close to DVD-R for compatibility with home players.
Thus I fail to see the where the "benefits" of DL overcome the the detriments. DL capability has become the new product DuJour that geeks like to whine about. Sure the longer recording times are nice but how many freaking people are making 2hr home brew movies(No easy feat) and the pirates are stripping DVD-9s down to the bare essentials and squeezing them on DVD-5.
PC laptops stink. Did you know they have a "mini PC card" now, so that you can have a wireless card hidden under one of those doors on the bottom instead of in a PCMCIA slot? Yech. The bottom of an Apple laptop is mostly smooth; the bottom of a PC laptop is a mess of little screw doors and odd contusions.
Apple needs to innovate because the laptop offerings are barely impressive. Just beautiful, but why can't they be beautiful and BLOW my socks off? Am I wrong? EVEN BTO option would be okay.
Originally posted by cubist
AFAIK, Intel makes no laptops at all. Or are you saying that Apple should innovate more than the rest of the entire computer industry combined?
PC laptops stink. Did you know they have a "mini PC card" now, so that you can have a wireless card hidden under one of those doors on the bottom instead of in a PCMCIA slot? Yech. The bottom of an Apple laptop is mostly smooth; the bottom of a PC laptop is a mess of little screw doors and odd contusions.
Originally posted by hmurchison
I'm sure their are just legions of users who are extrememly frustrated that they cannot view HDTV or have Dual Tuners in their laptops. Those poor souls that have to go with external options <Gasp>
Somebody please explain the big deal about Dual Layer drives to me. Since I'm having such a hard time understanding its importance currently. Here's why.
1. Cost- recording two DVD-5s cost you less than $2. Recording one DL disc costs you what 3x that?
You pay to much
2. Speed- With DVD-5 I can burn 16x DVDs. With DL I'm stuck with 2.4x on the avg.
I can burn at 4x with my pioneer. Also dual layer discs close the session in a faster amount of time and don't have to write close something (can't remember) so 16x isn't really quite that much faster than you think.
3. Compatibility- DL discs aren't even close to DVD-R for compatibility with home players.
If you have any home player over $60 in the last year it reads them ALL. They all read dual layer discs especially burnt ones. Most of them even read DVD+R, *hit my $70 panasonic player from last year will read anything you put in it.
Thus I fail to see the where the "benefits" of DL overcome the the detriments. DL capability has become the new product DuJour that geeks like to whine about. Sure the longer recording times are nice but how many freaking people are making 2hr home brew movies(No easy feat) and the pirates are stripping DVD-9s down to the bare essentials and squeezing them on DVD-5.
Apple freakin sucks!
Originally posted by hmurchison
You're right.
Apple freakin sucks!
Well, you sure won that argument!
truth be told Apple just doesn't "hustle" enough because they are the sole proprietors. When the had cloning they routinely got out hustled and Jobs wisely killed cloning.
Apple is still the same lackadaisical company. They make cool stuff but you do have to wait for it.
Originally posted by webmail
Don't tell me it's too hot, or that's "Crazy Insane" because thats' what apple has always been good at, putting advanced products and pushing technology forward.
Nope. Apple used to push the technology every which way, and almost died. Then they learned.
It isn't about pushing every available technology out there as soon as possible. It's about pushing technology that *solves problems*.
USB? Hotswap (ADB didn't), decent speed, standard
FireWire? Hotswap (SCSI didn't), plug and play (SCSI wasn't), fast fast fast, provided as standard
WiFi? Do I really have to point this one out?
Notice how the iPod doesn't have every whizbang feature, but still has 70% market share. Why? Because it pushed the envelope only to solve problems, it didn't toss things on there just to have them on there.
This is the difference that PC boxen makers and many PC weenies don't get, and likely never will. Good design isn't about slapping on widgets, it's about stripping away the crap to leave the good stuff.
Do these things offer me something over an Apple laptop? Sure, weight, heat, some increases in speed, viruses, spyware, critical-update-hell. Is it worth it?
My answer would be, hell no. But your milage may vary.
Even if the card produced no heat whatsoever, the shear number of electrons traveling over the PCI-express bus would drain the battery at least twice as fast.
Originally posted by slughead
Exactly.
Even if the card produced no heat whatsoever, the shear number of electrons traveling over the PCI-express bus would drain the battery at least twice as fast.
The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy is neither created or destroyed. It is converted from one form to another. Unless the energy of motion of those electrons is converted into heat, light, RF radiation, rotational energy of a hard drive, or some other form, the battery will not drain. The motion of electrons in and of itself requires the consumption of no power. The simpliest way for electrons to consume power is for them to pass through a resistance, which generates heat.
Originally posted by Mr. Me
The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy is neither created or destroyed. It is converted from one form to another. Unless the energy of motion of those electrons is converted into heat, light, RF radiation, rotational energy of a hard drive, or some other form, the battery will not drain. The motion of electrons in and of itself requires the consumption of no power. The simpliest way for electrons to consume power is for them to pass through a resistance, which generates heat.
And Lord, there is a crapload of a resistance in the PCI-Express cards!
To ignore that fact creates these monster lapanchors, er, desktop replacements, er laptops. Sure, I'd buy one. Not bloody likely!
Give me smooth running, thin, light with good battery life any day. You can have all the PCI-Express, blah blah blah monsters you want. For a true portable user, it just will not do.
As one example, that Sony HDV camera shown onstage at the recent Macworld has a little secret that could benefit greatly from an Express Powerbook. It records high-def onto mini-DV tape, which any ibook could handle easily. But unknown to most users so far, the component out to the monitor is uncompressed high def, the same signal as extremely high end equipment.
The only problem is, only a powerful desktop could capture such bandwidth, or an expensive HD recording deck. But a Powerbook with pci express would also be able to capture it, and Apple would own that developing prosumer market.
Anyhow, doesn't PCI Express have very good heat/performance ratio compared to other Cardbus tech? Maybe this was in comparison to the AGP bus.
Originally posted by mugwump
Well now hold on just one minute. Just because no one here can see the benefit to a mobile PCI-Express doesn't mean that it requires the users to wake up before Apple does.
As one example, that Sony HDV camera shown onstage at the recent Macworld has a little secret that could benefit greatly from an Express Powerbook. It records high-def onto mini-DV tape, which any ibook could handle easily. But unknown to most users so far, the component out to the monitor is uncompressed high def, the same signal as extremely high end equipment.
The only problem is, only a powerful desktop could capture such bandwidth, or an expensive HD recording deck. But a Powerbook with pci express would also be able to capture it, and Apple would own that developing prosumer market.
Anyhow, doesn't PCI Express have very good heat/performance ratio compared to other Cardbus tech? Maybe this was in comparison to the AGP bus.
How many laptop disk drives do you know that can capture uncompressed HD? For that matter, desktop disk drives? Every HD editing station, etc. I have ever seen that could handle uncompressed HD required large disk arrays, fiber channel connects, etc. PCIe on a laptop ain't gonna solve that. The other posters are right, at this point, PCIe on a laptop (or on a desktop, for that matter, unless you're doing SLI) is a solution looking for a problem.
Originally posted by webmail
http://www20.tomshardware.com/mobile...alviso-06.html
Intel has added pc-express cards (PCI-Express) bus to their laptops through a multiple format PC card slot taking regular pc cards as well as the new pc-express...
Most wintel laptops have dual layer burners, while my powerbook can't even BTO for one.
Grr. Probably apple saving "dual layer" (boohoo) for the new feature set of the g5 laptop. Great dual layer will come out only about year after windows laptops have had it.
Even 3rd party mac manactures offer it...
You forgot perhaps the most important:
Dual-core Pentium 4s coming in second quarter.
But it is not fair to make comparisons of the type Intel vs. Apple. Intel is a (giant) chip manufacturer, Apple is not and use whatever IBM and Freescale manage to produce.
Originally posted by Mr. Me
The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy is neither created or destroyed. It is converted from one form to another. Unless the energy of motion of those electrons is converted into heat, light, RF radiation, rotational energy of a hard drive, or some other form, the battery will not drain. The motion of electrons in and of itself requires the consumption of no power. The simpliest way for electrons to consume power is for them to pass through a resistance, which generates heat.
What if the electron leaves one battery terminal, goes through a circuit, and comes back to the other terminal? Isn't that one less electron that will leave that battery on that charge cycle?
Argue yer physics all day, batteries are chemistry
Originally posted by hmurchison
I'm sure their are just legions of users who are extrememly frustrated that they cannot view HDTV or have Dual Tuners in their laptops. Those poor souls that have to go with external options <Gasp>
Somebody please explain the big deal about Dual Layer drives to me. Since I'm having such a hard time understanding its importance currently. Here's why.
1. Cost- recording two DVD-5s cost you less than $2. Recording one DL disc costs you what 3x that?
You pay to much
2. Speed- With DVD-5 I can burn 16x DVDs. With DL I'm stuck with 2.4x on the avg.
I can burn at 4x with my pioneer. Also dual layer discs close the session in a faster amount of time and don't have to write close something (can't remember) so 16x isn't really quite that much faster than you think.
3. Compatibility- DL discs aren't even close to DVD-R for compatibility with home players.
If you have any home player over $60 in the last year it reads them ALL. They all read dual layer discs especially burnt ones. Most of them even read DVD+R, *hit my $70 panasonic player from last year will read anything you put in it.
Thus I fail to see the where the "benefits" of DL overcome the the detriments. DL capability has become the new product DuJour that geeks like to whine about. Sure the longer recording times are nice but how many freaking people are making 2hr home brew movies(No easy feat) and the pirates are stripping DVD-9s down to the bare essentials and squeezing them on DVD-5.