"printed in China"

m.o.s.t

Ok so I own all of the below





iMac G5

Mac mini 1.25

iBook G4

iPod mini

iPod Shuffle

Airport Express



I got to looking at the User's Guide for the Shuffle... on the back I noticed "Printed in China"







Question





Have things gotten so bad we cant keep a US job to print package user guides ??????





was the install CD "stamped' there too ?!?!?!



Would it not be cheaper to print them here in the states ? v.s. pay labor and shipping?

superkarate monkeydeathcar

so you suggest that the product manufactured in china should have it's manual printed here in the states and then shipped over to china to be included with the shipment.

am i correct?

m.o.s.t

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Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

so you suggest that the product manufactured in china should have it's manual printed here in the states and then shipped over to china to be included with the shipment.

am i correct?

EDIT: well......... The USB Cap is made in Singapore and the Shuffle is made in China

johnq

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Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

so you suggest that the product manufactured in china should have it's manual printed here in the states and then shipped over to china to be included with the shipment.

am i correct?

seemingly. or else he wants palettes full of ready-to-go Apple products to be unloaded, reopened to insert the booklets here in the States.

superkarate monkeydeathcar

for the record the iLife & iWork (and they were actually surprisingly voluminous ... actual manuals!) were printed in the U.S.!



begin chant USA USA USA!!!!

johnq

Paper manuals should be part of BTO anyway.



[x] Useless paper manual you won't ever use (add $5).

superkarate monkeydeathcar

I really like those apple manuals, but they are usually pamphet-ish, i have a whole shelfful. The iWork (actually it's just a Pages manual) manual is actually thick, like TV Guide thick.

hmurchison

Goooooooooooooo Communism!!

superkarate monkeydeathcar

I don't know if they are really communists anymore. They really believe in a market economy, and right now could be described as socialists.



they have less demands on farmers as what crops they can grow and selling said crops is being done with less and less government intervention.



the toothpaste is out of the tube so to speak and the chinese are taking to these new little bits of freedom they get very aggressively.



and maybe as much as americans (albeit with more limited means) are REALLY into buying cool stuff.

johnq

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Originally posted by hmurchison

Goooooooooooooo Communism!!

So wrong. Ya see, with the economy fully globalized, China is primed for it's own brand of capitalism, hypercapitalism.



If "lowest price at all costs" is the game, China wins. Zero labor laws, limitless supply of workers. If you think vanilla capitalism is ruthless, you ain't seen nothing yet.

superkarate monkeydeathcar

Well I agree, but India is in a better position to take advantage of a global economy in the short term (democracy, they speak english) India is an ecological accident waiting to happen. China is poised to become the America of the 22nd century, and they making plans for an economy and the impact it will have on it's environment.

China (and India) are already heavily polluted and a rapidly growing economy means bikes will be traded in for motor scooters, and todays scooter crowd will be wanting cars.......and one and a half billion people driving motorcars is kind of scary.

johnq

Stop thinking in terms of Capitalism = America and you'll quickly see that China has no intention of becoming another America. It can keep the lower class down permanently as a workforce while the relatively few "middle" and upper classes reap the rewards. They will be more like a WW2-style wartime America but the "war" never stops (and there is no war).

superkarate monkeydeathcar

I think you're wrong. how much time have you spent in china?



edit = nevermind, I just realized who i'm talking to.

johnq

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Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

Well I agree, but India is in a better position to take advantage of a global economy in the short term (democracy, they speak english)

Oh, I'd say very short term. the "English language advantage" is slim at best.



A global economy with an economically marginalized/devastated U.S. needs English far less (although it's still essentially the global language - screw French). Either that OR the other countries start adopting English as the defacto business language (more so than they already do). Eventually, either English doesn't matter, or everyone knows it. Either way, we're talking a competitive advantage of under a single generation, sometimes less (how fast can people learn English?)



And if anything, democracy cripples India. Again, the game isn't "fair" capitalism, it's anything-at-all-costs hypercapitalism.



This is the home stretch to use up and fight over the much of the remaining known resources in the world. (20-50 years?)

johnq

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Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

I think you're wrong. how much time have you spent in china?



edit = nevermind, I just realized who i'm talking to.

Who are you talking to then?



Besides, I'm not talking about Chinese people. I'm talking "China" the same way people say "U.S." in grand sweeping generalizations.

superkarate monkeydeathcar

I want everyone to know that I was in fact confusing johnq with someone else in an old thread about china, he certainly is a good egg, and i apologize to him publicly as i already have privately.

I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions and it was wrong of me to heap scorn on him without being sure of my self.

i am a bad monkey........

johnq

Thank you, no problem. I had the feeling you were thinking of someone else. I can see why you thought that.