Missed Oppurtunity with lowend PowerMac G4

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
I am pleasantly surprised by today's announcements. especially the 23 inch price drop...wow.



but i cant help but be dissapointed in the lowend tower.



1499 is a great price point but it needs something more to sell.



could be many things but the two things that stand out are

1. 2nd processor

2. Superdrive



i would assume both cost nearly the same for apple. i would much prefer to see the superdrive than the 2nd processor and i think it would be an accepted trade off for most. iLife is great, and every pro product should be able to use every one of its apps. let the cheap consumer products make sacrifices that prevent them from using an app like iDVD 3.



Apple dissapointingly went single processor on it but to make things worse they made the clockspeed lower than the dual machines. Had Apple chose a 1.25 Ghz or even 1.42 Ghz single processor and put it on a 167Mhz bus even without the 2nd processor and superdrive i think the lowend could have been one of the most appealing apple professional switcher machines in recent times.



missed oppurtunities.... its a shame.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 18
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    I'd rather it be cheaper. Sub 1000.
  • Reply 2 of 18
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]Originally posted by Scott:

    <strong>I'd rather it be cheaper. Sub 1000.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    thats true too..



    if this is what they are gonna give us i do think it wshould be a bit cheaper.... 1399 or 1299..... at least 1299 you can technically get a tower and an apple lcd for under 2000... which would be extremely nice
  • Reply 3 of 18
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    I think someone else hit it in another thread - they don't like the low-end to be the most attractive machine because their margins are best on the higher ones. The single also puts a lower ceiling on iMac upgrades unfortunately.
  • Reply 4 of 18
    serranoserrano Posts: 1,806member
    Shutup.
  • Reply 5 of 18
    der kopfder kopf Posts: 2,275member
    [quote]Originally posted by serrano:

    <strong>Shutup.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yes, why don't you?





    To stay on topic however, Applenut, you hit the nail on the head. A very unsatisfactory lowend powermac. Oh well, 't is the year of the powerbooks, but still, this actually makes clear exactly why.
  • Reply 6 of 18
    steve666steve666 Posts: 2,600member
    Why can't Apple just price their products to what they are worth or at most $200 above? In the real world the low end tower should cost $999. Since its Apple it should cost $1199, certainly no more than $1299. If Apple really wants to improve market share and get people to open their wallets and switch there has to be a compelling reason. At $1499 I am going to wait till the next model comes out and the price drops on the current one. If Apple had priced the tower more reasonably right off the bat I'd have my order in. I don't need a dual processor and if the single is quieter its got an advantage for me.



    The display prices are much, much better. But why cancel a 15 inch model? They sell very well and $700 is still a lot of money for a display. They could have a 15 inch for $400 at most. Apple needs to stop holding itself back from increasing market share. Its very frustrating. .............................................
  • Reply 7 of 18
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    [quote]Originally posted by BRussell:

    <strong>I think someone else hit it in another thread - they don't like the low-end to be the most attractive machine because their margins are best on the higher ones. The single also puts a lower ceiling on iMac upgrades unfortunately.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yea and that limits market share/install base. Something Apple needs more than anything IMO.
  • Reply 8 of 18
    Yes, Apple does seem to hold itself back unnecessarily from garnering market share. It seems like the most obvious mistakes are made, then they take over a half year just to fix the original problem!
  • Reply 9 of 18
    msanttimsantti Posts: 1,377member
    Who ever thinks Apple is going to give us a $999 tower is kidding themselves.



    But, once you go dualies, you should not go back.



    Well, until maybe the 970's ship anyways. :cool:
  • Reply 10 of 18
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    [quote]Originally posted by BRussell:

    <strong>The single also puts a lower ceiling on iMac upgrades unfortunately.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    The new 1Ghz PowerMac w/ 17" LCD display will run you $2200.

    The current 17" iMac 800 is $1999 but with a superdrive. A new iMac bumped to 867 and 1GHz priced $1700 and $2000 respectively may bode well for the low end tower. The additional $200 may be justified by expandability and bus speed.

    But if a 1GHz iMac is any less (perhaps $1800), why would anyone really go for the tower?
  • Reply 11 of 18
    serranoserrano Posts: 1,806member
    Why can't Apple just sell them at a loss?
  • Reply 12 of 18
    [quote]Originally posted by serrano:

    <strong>Why can't Apple just sell them at a loss?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    argghh... you beat me to it.



    get jobs on the line!



  • Reply 13 of 18
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    I secretly hope Apple is planning on *GASP* discontinuing the iMac and making a cube-like PowerMac to replace it. Instead of top mount drives it would have a front mount, use normal fans instead of elaborate cooling schemes that are too costly and not very efficient, and an AGP slot like the Cube Act 1. G4's on ZIF interposers, same chipset as the tower PowerMac but with only 2 DDR DIMM slots, and, get this, 256MB of RAM on the mobo. There are rumors of a 15.4" LCD that may be for the PowerBook but it would also make a great entry level LCD for a lowend desktop for around $399.



    Pricepoints: $799 (867MHz, CDRW), $999 (1GHz, combo), and $1299 (1.2GHz, Superdrive)



    This does not include any PCI slots but with the throughput of Firewire 800, why would you need it?
  • Reply 14 of 18
    The entry single-processor PowerMac should be $200 to $300 cheaper.
  • Reply 15 of 18
    steve666steve666 Posts: 2,600member
    [quote]Originally posted by Locomotive:

    <strong>The entry single-processor PowerMac should be $200 to $300 cheaper.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Exactly. Then they have a winner.........................
  • Reply 16 of 18
    I want it free with rebate. THEN we will have a winner.
  • Reply 17 of 18
    jante99jante99 Posts: 539member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bioflavonoid:

    <strong>I want it free with rebate. THEN we will have a winner.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    In one years time the news report would read:



    After a monumental 1000% order in Power Macs, Apple announced today it was going bankrupted.



    Despite becoming America's number one PC manufactor on the belief that PCs should be free, Apple burned through to much cash to quickly.



    Apple CEO Steve Jobs said, "We tried updating Mac OS X every month [charging customer 129 each upgrade] and releasing a new version of iLife weekly, but it just wasn't enough. I guess the free PC thing just doesn't work."



    In other news, Gateway Computer Corps. announced today that they would begin paying people to buy a PC from them.
  • Reply 18 of 18
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    [quote]Originally posted by jante99:

    <strong>



    In one years time the news report would read:



    After a monumental 1000% order in Power Macs, Apple announced today it was going bankrupted.



    Despite becoming America's number one PC manufactor on the belief that PCs should be free, Apple burned through to much cash to quickly.



    Apple CEO Steve Jobs said, "We tried updating Mac OS X every month [charging customer 129 each upgrade] and releasing a new version of iLife weekly, but it just wasn't enough. I guess the free PC thing just doesn't work."



    In other news, Gateway Computer Corps. announced today that they would begin paying people to buy a PC from them. </strong><hr></blockquote>





    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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