Apple seen countering Microsoft with wireless iPod

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in iPod + iTunes + AppleTV edited January 2014
Microsoft Corp. may have plans to debut a wireless digital music player this year, but likely so does Apple Computer, say one Wall Street analyst.



In a research note released to clients this week, PiperJaffray analyst Gene Munster said he also sees a wireless iPod making its debut from Apple.



"Apple has stated that ease of use is a key element of the iPod, so wireless functionality is an obvious next step for the product line," Munster wrote. "Apple has also stated that the pace of iPod innovation will not change."



Historically, Apple has released two new iPods each year. "But Apple has yet to release a new iPod this year," Munster added. "Based on these two factors, we expect a new wireless iPod this fall."



While acknowledging that there has recently been a lot of talk about Microsoft's new wireless MP3 player, the analyst said he does not believe the yet-to-be-seen offering will be a worthy opponent for the iPod.



"One significant indication is that Windows Media-enabled MP3 players have been in the market for three years and have been unable to grow their roughly 25 percent market share," he wrote. "Additionally, we expect Apple will release a new iPod this fall that will likely focus on ease of use, including wireless connectivity."



Munster remains bullish on shares of Apple, rating them "Outperform" with a price target of $99.
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  • Reply 1 of 39
    ebolagpebolagp Posts: 28member
    We needed an analyst to tell us this obvious truth?
  • Reply 2 of 39
    zunxzunx Posts: 620member
    A wireless iPod with videopresentation capabilities would be a new standard and sell millions:



    1 - Make presentation on Mac o PC.



    2 - Save to wireless iPod.



    3 - Boot Mac OS X (mobile) from wireless iPod and use it as a remote control for the wireless presentation. No cables. No computers involved. Just the wireless iPod and a wireless videoprojector.



    The halo effect will be tremendous on corporate, domestic and educational markets.
  • Reply 3 of 39
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
    The real stickler is todays news that "Microsoft plans to convert iPod users by replacing iTMS purchased songs with FREE WMA format songs if you switch players."



    Full article:



    http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/06/m...yer-working-o/
  • Reply 4 of 39
    boogabooga Posts: 1,082member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ebolagp

    We needed an analyst to tell us this obvious truth?



    Nope. But a lot of investors do.
  • Reply 5 of 39
    westwest Posts: 34member
    Regarding the news about Microsoft giving free copies of already purchased iTunes music, this could be a good thing for some people, but it will have a very small overall affect on the market. What many people are forgetting is that most of the people who use PCs and would think about switching to a Microsoft player are the same people who don't want to bother learning new software, buying new hardware, and going through the process of moving their music (and video) library over to another program and player.
  • Reply 6 of 39
    boogabooga Posts: 1,082member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by solsun

    The real stickler is todays news that "Microsoft plans to convert iPod users by replacing iTMS purchased songs with FREE WMA format songs if you switch players."



    Full article:



    http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/06/m...yer-working-o/




    At this point it seems like they're still doing the "let's throw a hundred rumors out and see which ones excite people the most" stage of product development. The Live Anywhere thing could become Big, or could be a big dud... hard to tell. And letting people, essentially, transcode their iTMS music gets rid of the Apple DRM lock-in issue. (See? competition solves everything-- no reason to complain about DRM anymore ).
  • Reply 7 of 39
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
    Booga,



    The iTunes purchased tracks will not be transcoded. Instead, Microsoft will scan your iTunes library and pay the labels/content owners directly so that consumers can download free WMA versions of songs they've already purchased from iTunes. The labels benefit because they are getting paid twice for the same song, once from the iTunes customer and once from Microsoft for a WMA version.



    It's basically like Microsoft is offering a rebate to consumers for all of their iTMS purchases if they buy Microsofts new player.
  • Reply 8 of 39
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
    This is one of two things:



    1. A hoax



    or



    2. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple at it's own game.



    -Apple releases Leopard which will allow users to run their PC apps without Windows.



    -Microsoft releases x-player which allows users to listen to their iTunes songs without iTunes or an iPod.



    The whole Leopard virtualization must be pissing of Redmond big time. This could be Microsofts way of getting even. God knows they've got the money to do it.
  • Reply 9 of 39
    feraliferali Posts: 175member
    the thing is, they could be losing alot of money depending on how many songs each user has, but even so not enough people will switch to even make a noticable amount of money lost.
  • Reply 10 of 39
    solsunsolsun Posts: 763member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Ferali

    the thing is, they could be losing alot of money depending on how many songs each user has, but even so not enough people will switch to even make a noticable amount of money lost.



    Agreed.



    If Apple has sold 50 million iPods and 1 billion songs, that breaks down to an average of $20 worth of iTunes purchases for each iPod sold.
  • Reply 11 of 39
    porchlandporchland Posts: 478member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ebolagp

    We needed an analyst to tell us this obvious truth?



    Seriously, these analysts actually get PAID to say things like, "Apple usually refreshes the iPod twice a year. They haven't refreshed yet this year, so we forecast two refreshes in the next six months. Check please."
  • Reply 12 of 39
    Quote:

    Originally posted by zunx

    A wireless iPod with videopresentation capabilities would be a new standard and sell millions:



    1 - Make presentation on Mac o PC.



    2 - Save to wireless iPod.



    3 - Boot Mac OS X (mobile) from wireless iPod and use it as a remote control for the wireless presentation. No cables. No computers involved. Just the wireless iPod and a wireless videoprojector.



    The halo effect will be tremendous on corporate, domestic and educational markets.




    They should pair this with that new Samsung projector that is the size of a Mac mini.
  • Reply 13 of 39
    palegolaspalegolas Posts: 1,361member
    It's like when we were kids.. One kid was like:

    - Well, the new sega, the megadrive, is gonna be 16 bit, it's gonna kick your NES ass!

    And the next kid was like:

    -Well, the next Nintendo is gonna be 17 bit, so just bite your...



    Just because Apple introduced 2 new iPods a year doesn't mean Apple is introducing a wireless iPod this year, that's just silly to assume something like that. And screw this wireless iPod thing anyway. Is it really that interesting? Is the deal that if you constantly have the music store in your pocket you'll buy more music? Over like 3G phone networks, that are barely up and working today? Perhaps.. but it must be free at all times to browse and purchase from the store, and with no SIM card thing. Perhaps apple could Donate half their share of the purchase to the network supplier if the song is purchased online. If it costs to browse the store and the prices are higher the whole thing is just stupid. It seems really complicated to make this get going.
  • Reply 14 of 39
    mchumanmchuman Posts: 154member
    It was reported that Apple was hiring tons of wireless engineers early this year. I suspect they are working on a wireless iPod that lets you play music from an iTMS server (and videos!) from anywhere.
  • Reply 15 of 39
    Quote:

    Originally posted by McHuman

    It was reported that Apple was hiring tons of wireless engineers early this year. I suspect they are working on a wireless iPod that lets you play music from an iTMS server (and videos!) from anywhere.



    My guess is they are working on adding Bluetooth and not WiFi.

    Bluetooth has some immediate tangible advantages.

    Wireless headphones

    Wireless car interface

    Wireless gaming

    Information Syncing and sharing (send vcard)

    GPS interface (external GPS receiver sends coordinates via Bluetooth, iPod shows you your current location and allows you to zoom in/out using the scroll pad)



    WiFi has limited use on an iPod today and will only pay off in a few years.

    WiFi will suck batteries and add bulk to the iPod.
  • Reply 16 of 39
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Johnny Mozzarella

    My guess is they are working on adding Bluetooth and not WiFi.

    Bluetooth has some immediate tangible advantages.

    Wireless headphones

    Wireless car interface

    Wireless gaming

    Information Syncing and sharing (send vcard)

    GPS interface (external GPS receiver sends coordinates via Bluetooth, iPod shows you your current location and allows you to zoom in/out using the scroll pad)



    WiFi has limited use on an iPod today and will only pay off in a few years.

    WiFi will suck batteries and add bulk to the iPod.




    I wholeheartedly agree.



    I just can't see a reason or an advantage to a Wi-Pod... however, if they would just make a larger screen, add a bloody AM/FM radio and GPS capability... I would be stoked to the max!
  • Reply 17 of 39
    bdj21yabdj21ya Posts: 297member
    Right, then maybe a keyboard, a trackpad and an AC Power adapter, throw in a CD Drive, it could be the best iPod yet.8)
  • Reply 18 of 39
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bdj21ya

    Right, then maybe a keyboard, a trackpad and an AC Power adapter, throw in a CD Drive, it could be the best iPod yet.8)



    Why in the name of all that is sacred would I want to weigh down an iPod with a CD drive....?!
  • Reply 19 of 39
    charlesscharless Posts: 301member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by solsun

    The whole Leopard virtualization must be pissing of Redmond big time. This could be Microsofts way of getting even. God knows they've got the money to do it.



    1. Boot Camp isn't virtualization (you're thinking of Parallels, which Apple doesn't own)



    2. In order to use either Boot Camp or Parallels, you have to buy a copy of Windows, which only means more $$$ for Microsoft



    3. Does this mean that Microsoft is pissed off at Dell and HP for making it possible for Windows to run on their hardware too?



    4. If virtualization pisses Microsoft so much, then why have they been offering Virtual PC for the Mac for some time now?



    In summary:
  • Reply 20 of 39
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by solsun

    Agreed.



    If Apple has sold 50 million iPods and 1 billion songs, that breaks down to an average of $20 worth of iTunes purchases for each iPod sold.




    Ok! That's what I was going to say. The estimate is that the average iPod has 20 songs. The people who are dissatisfied might very well move over. MS can afford to do whatever they want to gain customers.



    People, don't forget that MS said that they were going to spend $500 million to promote Vista. They can afford to pay for a few million songs.
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