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  • Reply 41 of 59
    chuckerchucker Posts: 5,089member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by qwlm


    So, if you want to look for ZFS tools in Leopard search for programs named "zpool"

    and "zfs".



    Which aren't there.
  • Reply 42 of 59
    shadowshadow Posts: 373member
    Someone in the know - any ZFS news in latest Leopard build?
  • Reply 43 of 59
    sjksjk Posts: 603member
    Aren't you asking someone to violate the NDA by answering that question?
  • Reply 44 of 59
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sjk


    Aren't you asking someone to violate the NDA by answering that question?



    Since when do we care about the NDA?



    Sebastian
  • Reply 45 of 59
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Yeah, because that approach has worked so well so far in keeping the lines of communication open with Apple...
  • Reply 46 of 59
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kickaha


    Yeah, because that approach has worked so well so far in keeping the lines of communication open with Apple...



    Yes well if we don't have open lines of communication between Apple then that leaves us free to come up with every wacky and insane idea in the world for them to stick in some new Mac/iPod/Phone/Airport/Display/*new thing* line. 8)



    Obviously I'm not serious about infringing on the NDA though because if I were, I could just download a Leopard Preview release off of Bittorrent and look at it for myself.



    Sebastian
  • Reply 47 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shadow


    Someone in the know - any ZFS news in latest Leopard build?



    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...=260256&page=5
  • Reply 48 of 59
    shadowshadow Posts: 373member
    From the thread link above:

    apparently the new build has support for ZFS

    ZFS is confirmed.

    Great News!
  • Reply 49 of 59
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,326moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shadow


    From the thread link above:

    apparently the new build has support for ZFS

    ZFS is confirmed.

    Great News!



    What I'd love is if we got a new format that all systems supported, not just OS X. This might end the headache involved in cross-platform file sharing.
  • Reply 50 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marvin


    What I'd love is if we got a new format that all systems supported, not just OS X. This might end the headache involved in cross-platform file sharing.



    Looks like you just pulled the words right out of my head! YES! This would be great, as long as we can all settle on the BEST file system, and ZFS sounds pretty darn awesome! Cross-platform file sharing is a real pain. If I want to save my OS X files over the network to my Windows machine I get errors due to special characters in file names, filenames that are too long, or I lose metadata, or the PC now has stupid hidden .DStore file, etc.



    Unfortunately Microsoft will probably insist on their own proprietary file system.
  • Reply 51 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macvault


    Looks like you just pulled the words right out of my head! YES! This would be great, as long as we can all settle on the BEST file system, and ZFS sounds pretty darn awesome! Cross-platform file sharing is a real pain. If I want to save my OS X files over the network to my Windows machine I get errors due to special characters in file names, filenames that are too long, or I lose metadata, or the PC now has stupid hidden .DStore file, etc.



    Unfortunately Microsoft will probably insist on their own proprietary file system.



    As long as MS is in the picture, true interoperability will never happen. It's sad but MS has been a plague to everything that is computer-related.
  • Reply 52 of 59
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kim kap sol


    As long as MS is in the picture, true interoperability will never happen. It's sad but MS has been a plague to everything that is computer-related.



  • Reply 53 of 59
    wmfwmf Posts: 1,164member
    Time for someone to write a ZFS plugin (IFS) for Windows. There are already plugins for ext2/3, reiserfs, etc.
  • Reply 54 of 59
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Placebo View Post


    What does ZFS do so awesomely again?



    For starters in my G4 Mac I have 4 drives of different sizes. The largest drive is 300G. My iTunes library is 170G. This has caused me to be slow down on my iTunes purchases of TV shows and movies. The largest I can get a single iTunes library (as far as I know) is 300G. Now if I had a zfs I could make a pool out of all of my drives and have a much larger itunes library. I could also just go down and buy a new drive and add it to the pool.



    If I am wrong here please be patient since I am speculating from what I have read.
  • Reply 55 of 59
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    ZFS is sexy :P
  • Reply 56 of 59
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    ZFS is sexy :P



    lol



    Well Apple has more time now, so possibly a fully integrated bootable ZFS OS X in October?
  • Reply 57 of 59
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    lol



    Well Apple has more time now, so possibly a fully integrated bootable ZFS OS X in October?



    I'm not rushing Apple either way. If they can get ZFS bootable in Leopard cool. But if they can't that's cool as well. ZFS has a nice piplined architecture that really lends itself to large block data. Audio and Video files are a definite plus. So even if I must boot my OS on HFS+ I'm going to be happy if I have options available such as Mirrored Pools, RAIDZ and RAIDZ2(double parity ..you could lose two drives and data remains intact)



    Apple should hop on some of the efforts to make ZFS enabled iSCSI targets. That way if Fibre Channel Xserve RAIDS are too spendy they can attack lower market segments with iSCSI based storage running ZFS.
  • Reply 58 of 59
    thininethinine Posts: 71member
    Basically, ZFS is implemented completely in the latest Leopard seeds. There are still bugs of course, and exposing the various ZFS functions to things like Disk Utility, but you could mostly use a ZFS disk right now.



    http://themachackers.com/2006/12/19/...a-closer-look/
  • Reply 59 of 59
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    ZFS performance numbers



    http://digitalbadger.net/archives/35...rformance.html



    Interesting piece on the "aggressive caching" of ZFS



    Update: April 24th



    http://milek.blogspot.com/2007/04/hw...-part-iii.html



    ZFS does damn good as a SW only RAID setup.
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