Apple is thinking all the time and it's stuff like this where it really shows...
Top notch!
Sure iCal has issues some report 'slow' (haven't seen it myself yet but reports are around) and I have a few feature requests myself but if this is a v1.0 release I can't wait to see what happens in the future.
used it for a while but dun really find it superior to entourage's calender. And entourage at least merge both email and calender functions together.
what do u people think?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you miss the whole point of the iApps. Entourage is a swiss army knife of sorts. It does a little of everything. Some things it handles particularly well (email). Other things, it doesn't (especially it's use of a SINGLE database for all you stuff. Dangerous).
The iApps are designed with a single purpose in mind. So, they're one-trick ponies. BUT, the benefit is the integration between all of them. They all come together through the addressbook. Combine the functionality of Mail (as good as Entourage for email), Addressbook (better than Entourage for addresses) and iCal (jury's still out) and you've got some pretty good competition.
On top of all that, add the standards that all of these apps support and you've got a lethal combination. vCards, ics (standard for calendars) and LDAP. SynchML (whenever iSync comes out). All of these together will make the apps as good or better than anything else. Sure, they're all different apps, but really, do you need all that in one program if you can move seamlessly between them all?
I have to admit- I really looked forward to it. But, after downloading it last night and transfering my schedules from PalmDesktop, I just find it lacking in core features. For instance, one cannot assign ToDo categories independent of a schedule. THAT's a pain.
I have to admit- I really looked forward to it. But, after downloading it last night and transfering my schedules from PalmDesktop, I just find it lacking in core features. For instance, one cannot assign ToDo categories independent of a schedule. THAT's a pain.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's a calendar app, not a to do list. Of course the to do categories are tied to calendar categories. Palm Desktop is an abomination that hasn't improved in years since they bought claris organizer. iCal is rough around the edges, but it will be very nice within a revision.
iCal is cute, however, I never once doubted that I would stop using Entourage for it.
With Entourage I can check my email, view my contacts list, look up things in a calendar, read notes and To-Do's all in the same application. I don't have to switch to another app, or open another one up. I can link contacts to certain calendar events or emails, and vise versa. The integration is great, and did I mention it is all in the same application?
As for it all being in one database *shrugs* I've never had an issue. Stuff like that gets backed up nightly though. I understand what Apple is trying to do. It's pretty neat too, but I find it a consumer solution, and I require a more 'professional' one. So I use Entourage. Mail, iCal, Address Book are wonderful for some people... just not me.
Maybe I've got it wrong, but I've always used my calendar to schedule appointments and meetings. I rarely use a todo list. To me, a calendar should show the days of the week, with some timeslots and you put things in there. Is that what you're asking?
From dictionary.com:
cal·en·dar
n.
1. Any of various systems of reckoning time in which the beginning, length, and divisions of a year are defined.
2. A table showing the months, weeks, and days in at least one specific year.
3. A schedule of events.
4. An ordered list of matters to be considered: a calendar of court cases; the bills on a legislative calendar.
5. Chiefly British. A catalog of a university.
I think I've got it right. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Well there is definately one thing iCal has over Entourage, it hasn't unexpectedly quit on me yet. It's calendering cousin E has bitten it once today already. I'm about ready to hack the app and change it's "Unexpectedly" to "Regrettably" in it's error logic. But I tell you what if we find a way to sync my work exchange calender with iCal I am PC free. Outlook 2001 is a pain to use, I just want to be 9.x free as well as PC free. Anyone know if there are pans in anyones works.
entourage has yet to quit on me when i use the calender function. sadly though, the same cannot be said for the mail function...
but i still like entourage over ical and mail as the integrative function is indeed very useful and the interface is good. And i spent alot of money on it!!!!
The iApps are designed with a single purpose in mind. So, they're one-trick ponies. BUT, the benefit is the integration between all of them. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Talking of iApps, although iCal is a welcome addition to the free software that Apple provides, it does seem a poor addition to the iApp family. When you think of how empowering iMovie was on release, and how it enabled people to do things that weren't previously possible (without going to a great deal of expense), a calendar application seems insignificant by comparison. I guess the days of Apple producing killer apps are over.
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<strong>ical is out!!
used it for a while but dun really find it superior to entourage's calender. And entourage at least merge both email and calender functions together.
what do u people think?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well after a few moments (very few) I am mostly impressed with this 1.0 release. Oh and here is one really cool feature:
<a href="http://www.apple.com/ical/library/index.html"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/ical/library/index.html</a>;
Auto-Cals with stuff like:
US *and* Specific Country Holidays!
But also...
Apple Store Events
Sports stuff like NFL / NBA & College
Primetime TV
Film Fests
Movies
DVDs
CDs
Tour dates for selected bands
SAT Dates
ACT Dates
Apple is thinking all the time and it's stuff like this where it really shows...
Top notch!
Sure iCal has issues some report 'slow' (haven't seen it myself yet but reports are around) and I have a few feature requests myself but if this is a v1.0 release I can't wait to see what happens in the future.
Dave
<strong>ical is out!!
used it for a while but dun really find it superior to entourage's calender. And entourage at least merge both email and calender functions together.
what do u people think?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you miss the whole point of the iApps. Entourage is a swiss army knife of sorts. It does a little of everything. Some things it handles particularly well (email). Other things, it doesn't (especially it's use of a SINGLE database for all you stuff. Dangerous).
The iApps are designed with a single purpose in mind. So, they're one-trick ponies. BUT, the benefit is the integration between all of them. They all come together through the addressbook. Combine the functionality of Mail (as good as Entourage for email), Addressbook (better than Entourage for addresses) and iCal (jury's still out) and you've got some pretty good competition.
On top of all that, add the standards that all of these apps support and you've got a lethal combination. vCards, ics (standard for calendars) and LDAP. SynchML (whenever iSync comes out). All of these together will make the apps as good or better than anything else. Sure, they're all different apps, but really, do you need all that in one program if you can move seamlessly between them all?
I have to admit- I really looked forward to it. But, after downloading it last night and transfering my schedules from PalmDesktop, I just find it lacking in core features. For instance, one cannot assign ToDo categories independent of a schedule. THAT's a pain.
(Still disappointed that there's no good sync software with PocketPc or Zaurus.)
<strong>iCal is the best free calendar app? :eek:
I have to admit- I really looked forward to it. But, after downloading it last night and transfering my schedules from PalmDesktop, I just find it lacking in core features. For instance, one cannot assign ToDo categories independent of a schedule. THAT's a pain.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's a calendar app, not a to do list. Of course the to do categories are tied to calendar categories. Palm Desktop is an abomination that hasn't improved in years since they bought claris organizer. iCal is rough around the edges, but it will be very nice within a revision.
With Entourage I can check my email, view my contacts list, look up things in a calendar, read notes and To-Do's all in the same application. I don't have to switch to another app, or open another one up. I can link contacts to certain calendar events or emails, and vise versa. The integration is great, and did I mention it is all in the same application?
As for it all being in one database *shrugs* I've never had an issue. Stuff like that gets backed up nightly though. I understand what Apple is trying to do. It's pretty neat too, but I find it a consumer solution, and I require a more 'professional' one. So I use Entourage. Mail, iCal, Address Book are wonderful for some people... just not me.
I can also sync my Palm with Entourage...
A calender is not a to-do list?
What else is it?
<strong>Torifile:
A calender is not a to-do list?
What else is it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe I've got it wrong, but I've always used my calendar to schedule appointments and meetings. I rarely use a todo list. To me, a calendar should show the days of the week, with some timeslots and you put things in there. Is that what you're asking?
From dictionary.com:
cal·en·dar
n.
1. Any of various systems of reckoning time in which the beginning, length, and divisions of a year are defined.
2. A table showing the months, weeks, and days in at least one specific year.
3. A schedule of events.
4. An ordered list of matters to be considered: a calendar of court cases; the bills on a legislative calendar.
5. Chiefly British. A catalog of a university.
I think I've got it right. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
but i still like entourage over ical and mail as the integrative function is indeed very useful and the interface is good. And i spent alot of money on it!!!!
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The iApps are designed with a single purpose in mind. So, they're one-trick ponies. BUT, the benefit is the integration between all of them. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Talking of iApps, although iCal is a welcome addition to the free software that Apple provides, it does seem a poor addition to the iApp family. When you think of how empowering iMovie was on release, and how it enabled people to do things that weren't previously possible (without going to a great deal of expense), a calendar application seems insignificant by comparison. I guess the days of Apple producing killer apps are over.