I also have something to confess and I feel very terrible about this given how much work some of you put into your replies. I feel truly horrible and terrible. I lied.
Nick you really do have too much time on your hands. You should get out and go walking, clean the car, do something other than play a stupid game like this.
I don't think the average AI poster here likes to be jacked with like you have done.
I would have just explained the situation to a moderator (regrets about posting personal information on the internet) and politely asked them to delete the thread.
....Finally I would say to you that if you are a man, you don?t need to achieve X or accomplish Y to be deserving of love. We give women love and we tell men they must earn love. I?m telling you that you don?t have to earn it, and you just deserve it. You deserve time with your kids, with your family and for yourself. Society sees you as a checkbook and you need to fight that perception. You aren?t a checkbook but a human and thus deserve what all humans deserve.....
Interesting... society sees me as a checkbook.
Kinda true, actually. But there are stronger women
I have encountered and that I like who are willing to
earn their own way. They usually excercise more or
Yes, and despite his protestations to the contrary, the follow-up post at AN makes it pretty clear (to me) that trumpt's really not sorry at all. Sorry in the "I'm sorry if you're hurt, but this is what I thought I had to do to get what I want" sense rather than the "I've made a serious error in judgment, I won't ever do something like this again, and I regret having done what I did in the first place" actual apology.
You are absolutely right I never said I what I did was an error in judgement. I don't consider it to be such and wouldn't change what I did.
I find your and Shawn's little bitter tag team replies a tad funny and sad at the same time. Clearly my post caused you to confront something within yourself that you aren't comfortable with and as such you are going well beyond expressing yourself. Flounder didn't even share or reply and here you are comdemning over multiple posts. I suppose you are the unvictimized victim.
Clearly you both have issues with seeing males as non-controlling, non-oppressors, or whatever other load of crap you probably have paid good money to learn in college. There really can't be any other good reason for both of you harboring the level of animosity you have about my non-problem. Others indicated they thought they had shared personal informtion although getting a haircut, going to a spa or conference or whatever really isn't deep personal information but regardless I apologized for what they felt about their sharing.
You two as far as I can see have shared nothing and harbor an awful lot of anger. So clearly this made you discover something about yourself and you don't like what you see. I'm not going to apologize for that or take it back. You can live with it.
Trumpt, I didn't do a whole lot more than skim your initial and "gotcha" postings, and if you think I put any thought into whatever male/female control/attitudes, or whatever the hell it was you were "investigating" (and what that was is wholly unclear) then you are sadly mistaken. I haven't considered it enough to have any opinion on your theories (whatever it is they may be).
What offends me, as someone with a degree in epidemiology, is the whole bizzarre concoction you've made under the guise of conducting an "experiment"
If you are so interested in your "research" I would suggest
1. Getting the appropriate degree that would teach you how to, or at the very least doing several months worth of reading on your own, so you can
A. Have a clue of how to do research in an ethical manner
B. Have a clue of how to do research in a scientifically rigorous manner
2. Apply #1, and go and do some apropriate research, write it up, and post it here. I'm sure we'll all be happy to peruse it.
Nick. You really, really need to go on a weekend retreat called Men Together: We Are Warriors in a sequoia forest somewhere. Get some Iron John. You live in California, right? Go on one. Learn to take some responsibility, dude. Seriously. Your Warrior needs to have a pow-wow with your Lover.
You painted a picture of two really charmless, unsympathetic people who can't compromise or don't love each other enough to indulge each-other's foolishnesses anymore. I don't really care if it was a thought experiment or not, it says far more about your own personal insecurities and experience than it does about gender roles in society, at least in my experience.
Send some PMs to all the AppleNova people whose generosity you piddled all over and stay here starting threads saying 'X is Evil' couched in terms that let you deny responsibility for the suggestion.
And go on a course where men can learn how to be men. Take it on the chin.
Enjoy being offended about that which you didn't read and haven't considered.
I read it, carefully, and began to write a response to it.
I decided not to post my response (actually, I gave up pretty quickly), even though it was encouraging and cheekily 'sexist', because I don't know you, or your hypothetical wife, and it's really unguessable what goes on behind closed doors, I've never been married and my advice would have been internet nonsense, and not really useful. It was along the lines of 'compromise and selective indulgence save relationships.'
Me, I'm pretty pissed off because I thought you were being honest and I thought about you sort of kindly for a day, and now I know you were beating your men are victims hobbyhorse again. It's pretty lame.
Me, I'm pretty pissed off because I thought you were being honest and I thought about you sort of kindly for a day, and now I know you were beating your men are victims hobbyhorse again. It's pretty lame.
I was irritated with this game as well. Why? First of all my sister is having problems in her marriage and I have been there for her and it takes a toll on me as well being family and all. Some of my neighbors are having money issues and I have tried to encourage them during their hard times (their money problems are due to medical costs). Then to see Nick having "stuff" going on I wanted to extend to him my friendship in time of need also.
For the rug to be jerked out and Nick saying.... I lied to you all
It pissed me off. Being a Christian I forgive Nick right away but my goodness I hope Nick does not do this kind of stuff in the future. It is not cool to jerk around people in some kind of trick.
And Nick don't get on Shawn or any other posters here as if this is about some kind of fault on their behalf. This entire thread is your doing Nick. OWN that and move on.
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I also have something to confess and I feel very terrible about this given how much work some of you put into your replies. I feel truly horrible and terrible. I lied.
Nick you really do have too much time on your hands. You should get out and go walking, clean the car, do something other than play a stupid game like this.
I don't think the average AI poster here likes to be jacked with like you have done.
Fellows
That is pretty messed up.
Sounds like second thoughts about posting private information on the interwebs.
....Finally I would say to you that if you are a man, you don?t need to achieve X or accomplish Y to be deserving of love. We give women love and we tell men they must earn love. I?m telling you that you don?t have to earn it, and you just deserve it. You deserve time with your kids, with your family and for yourself. Society sees you as a checkbook and you need to fight that perception. You aren?t a checkbook but a human and thus deserve what all humans deserve.....
Interesting... society sees me as a checkbook.
Kinda true, actually. But there are stronger women
I have encountered and that I like who are willing to
earn their own way. They usually excercise more or
are generally slimmer than average weight.
hey ho, who cares?
Trumpt must be furiously taking notes as we speak!
I find your and Shawn's little bitter tag team replies a tad funny and sad at the same time. Clearly my post caused you to confront something within yourself that you aren't comfortable with and as such you are going well beyond expressing yourself. Flounder didn't even share or reply and here you are comdemning over multiple posts. I suppose you are the unvictimized victim.
Clearly you both have issues with seeing males as non-controlling, non-oppressors, or whatever other load of crap you probably have paid good money to learn in college. There really can't be any other good reason for both of you harboring the level of animosity you have about my non-problem. Others indicated they thought they had shared personal informtion although getting a haircut, going to a spa or conference or whatever really isn't deep personal information but regardless I apologized for what they felt about their sharing.
You two as far as I can see have shared nothing and harbor an awful lot of anger. So clearly this made you discover something about yourself and you don't like what you see. I'm not going to apologize for that or take it back. You can live with it.
What offends me, as someone with a degree in epidemiology, is the whole bizzarre concoction you've made under the guise of conducting an "experiment"
If you are so interested in your "research" I would suggest
1. Getting the appropriate degree that would teach you how to, or at the very least doing several months worth of reading on your own, so you can
A. Have a clue of how to do research in an ethical manner
B. Have a clue of how to do research in a scientifically rigorous manner
2. Apply #1, and go and do some apropriate research, write it up, and post it here. I'm sure we'll all be happy to peruse it.
You painted a picture of two really charmless, unsympathetic people who can't compromise or don't love each other enough to indulge each-other's foolishnesses anymore. I don't really care if it was a thought experiment or not, it says far more about your own personal insecurities and experience than it does about gender roles in society, at least in my experience.
Send some PMs to all the AppleNova people whose generosity you piddled all over and stay here starting threads saying 'X is Evil' couched in terms that let you deny responsibility for the suggestion.
And go on a course where men can learn how to be men. Take it on the chin.
Enjoy being offended about that which you didn't read and haven't considered.
I am offended by your process. The content is irrelevant.
I think you are right. That reads much better.
Enjoy being offended about that which you didn't read and haven't considered.
I read it, carefully, and began to write a response to it.
I decided not to post my response (actually, I gave up pretty quickly), even though it was encouraging and cheekily 'sexist', because I don't know you, or your hypothetical wife, and it's really unguessable what goes on behind closed doors, I've never been married and my advice would have been internet nonsense, and not really useful. It was along the lines of 'compromise and selective indulgence save relationships.'
Me, I'm pretty pissed off because I thought you were being honest and I thought about you sort of kindly for a day, and now I know you were beating your men are victims hobbyhorse again. It's pretty lame.
Me, I'm pretty pissed off because I thought you were being honest and I thought about you sort of kindly for a day, and now I know you were beating your men are victims hobbyhorse again. It's pretty lame.
I was irritated with this game as well. Why? First of all my sister is having problems in her marriage and I have been there for her and it takes a toll on me as well being family and all. Some of my neighbors are having money issues and I have tried to encourage them during their hard times (their money problems are due to medical costs). Then to see Nick having "stuff" going on I wanted to extend to him my friendship in time of need also.
For the rug to be jerked out and Nick saying.... I lied to you all
It pissed me off. Being a Christian I forgive Nick right away but my goodness I hope Nick does not do this kind of stuff in the future. It is not cool to jerk around people in some kind of trick.
And Nick don't get on Shawn or any other posters here as if this is about some kind of fault on their behalf. This entire thread is your doing Nick. OWN that and move on.
Fellows
Oh then enjoy bring offended about a process which you didn't read and haven't considered.
I think you are right. That reads much better.
The process was so unethical, scientifically worthless and just plain stupid that a cursory reading was all that was required.