Does Apple (or maybe applenut) even understand Quartz Extreme!?
<a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0206/17.ibook.php"; target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0206/17.ibook.php</a>;
[quote]"We're one company under one roof, and we don't operate in isolation," he said. "Quartz Extreme is targeted mostly in terms of the editing environment. As for the things that people want to use their computer for in terms of playback, as opposed to content creation, the iBook is absolutely a viable machine."
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what the ****? what does Quartz Extreme have to do with the editing environment.
That article sure did not seem pretty positive in regards to whether the Rev B Powerbooks and new iBooks will have Quartz Extreme support
[ 06-17-2002: Message edited by: applenut ]</p>
[quote]"We're one company under one roof, and we don't operate in isolation," he said. "Quartz Extreme is targeted mostly in terms of the editing environment. As for the things that people want to use their computer for in terms of playback, as opposed to content creation, the iBook is absolutely a viable machine."
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what the ****? what does Quartz Extreme have to do with the editing environment.
That article sure did not seem pretty positive in regards to whether the Rev B Powerbooks and new iBooks will have Quartz Extreme support
[ 06-17-2002: Message edited by: applenut ]</p>
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<strong>Think video.</strong><hr></blockquote>
why?
<strong>They have Quartz support. You can run Quartz without running QE. The full scope of Quartz Extreme compatibility on the other hand is an open question to the masses. And QE is tailor made for video editing, while it will help basic everyday tasks some, that isn't what it was designed for. Everyday tasks are not nearly as bandwidth limited as realtime video editing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
note that I intended to put extreme after each quartz in my original post.
at this point in time Quartz Extreme has nothing to do with real toime editing or video editing at all. Apple has only talked about it in regards to interface speed.
1. He was talking about how QE will offload some of the CPU tasks to the graphics card, which will speed up CPU-intensive applications like video, or
2. He's an idiot. And judging by other things he said in that interview, like "I don't know that the latest iBooks will be the last ones with G3 chips," he may be. That doesn't exactly sound like a Steve-approved statement.
QE allows a lot of flexibility that really helps editors more than anyone else. The speed increase is more of a side-effect than a feature.
It won't make your games faster and it will only have a small effect on regular GUI usage.
10.2's other improvements are where speed will be found.
Think about the Nothing Real acquisition.
Think compositing.
whee is right. I'm betting QE will enter into FCP or another Pro app as a means of doing even more real-time effects.
<strong>He's completely correct. Quartz Extreme adds a lot; using it for only everyday tasks is like getting a GeForce4 and playing Wolfenstein on it. Doing graphics on the hardware level adds a lot in terms of what can be done in real-time. Transparency, color, mattes, transforms --- anything that can be done in OpenGL, can be done in real-time on any piece of video. Multiple streams of video can be overlaid and modified in the format of the final product, checking the output every step of the way.
QE allows a lot of flexibility that really helps editors more than anyone else. The speed increase is more of a side-effect than a feature.</strong><hr></blockquote>
yet NONE of those uses have been mentioned by Apple before this guy started spewing stuff to Maccentral.
Only interface responsiveness.
<strong>actually, video stuff was demoed at WWDC according to some people's reports.</strong><hr></blockquote>Correct.
<strong>Correct.
I don't understand how that is possible. Video is handled by Quicktime which is independant of Quartz. How are quartz effects going to affect a Quicktime video?
<strong>yet NONE of those uses have been mentioned by Apple before this guy started spewing stuff to Maccentral.
Only interface responsiveness.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Applenut, try reading my post in the thread, <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000692&p=9"; target="_blank">New Features in Jaguar</a>, where I described one of the demos I saw at WWDC. It's become blatantly clear to me why Apple's acquiring all of these advanced video/film compositing applications. Quartz Extreme is all about compositing, whether it's 2D user interface elements, or real-time video in 3D space.
Apple may not have the luxury of having the plain fastest processor in their computers, but this limitation has forced the company to be innovative with what they do have to work with. And, I think Apple's going to do just fine with that.
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Applenut, try reading my post in the thread, <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000692&p=9"; target="_blank">New Features in Jaguar</a>, where I described one of the demos I saw at WWDC. It's become blatantly clear to me why Apple's acquiring all of these advanced video/film compositing applications. Quartz Extreme is all about compositing, whether it's 2D user interface elements, or real-time video in 3D space.
Apple may not have the luxury of having the plain fastest processor in their computers, but this limitation has forced the company to be innovative with what they do have to work with. And, I think Apple's going to do just fine with that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
thank you. that cleared things about A LOT. Very informative, as usual.
It will certainly be interesting to see exactly what supported and optimal ends up meaning.
BTW, I would like to remind everyone that well before any mention of Jagwire or possible inkling of QE, back when people were seriously wrapped up in the first wave of Raycer 'chip' rumor, I, me, almost exclsuively by myself vehemently opposed the idea. Both in the pre and post blackout AI, I firmly held that 'Raycer's talent' would put OpenGL to work on something useful while leveraging any graphics card of Radeon or better specification.
And I was exactly, 110% indoubitibly correct!
Amazing, that I exactly predicted this feature yet no one is lining up to kiss my a$$, yet we had months of people tounge bathing Kormac's cheeks whist he has never gotten ANY speculation correct.
<strong>Amazing, that I exactly predicted this feature yet no one is lining up to kiss my a$$, yet we had months of people tounge bathing Kormac's cheeks whist he has never gotten ANY speculation correct.
Why should we thank you, kiss your ass, and applaud you when you're doing such a good job by yourself?
[Edit: sounded harsh, meant it as a joke, added a wink]
[ 06-17-2002: Message edited by: Gambit ]</p>
I must make more effective use of graemlins.
edit: apparently, amongst other faults, I can't spell butt. Since I couldn't decide whether it was a dirtier proposition to have people kiss my a$$ or my conjunction, I decided to change the spelling. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
[ 06-17-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
We know QE offloads some stuff to hardware. That's it. Everything else we can only guess.
If you want to go into the most basic levels of a quote...
"editing enviorment" i.e- pro users, i.e.-powermacs, i.e- QE benifits.
It's such a small subitle quote, people are nitpicking over nothing.
Though this thread does inform people about QE, through a rehash of past QE theory threads.
~Kuku
Visit that thread for the URL to the video. It's hosted by ckohler so I don't want to link to it directly.
[ 06-25-2002: Message edited by: King Chung Huang ]</p>
<strong>why video?
Think about the Nothing Real acquisition.
Think compositing.
whee is right. I'm betting QE will enter into FCP or another Pro app as a means of doing even more real-time effects.</strong><hr></blockquote>
huh? What real-time effects will QE allow you to do that Q doesn't? QE is simply about offloading tasks to the graphics card as opposed to the cpu.
"QE will enter into FCP". say what?
FCP uses Q. For machines with QE it will still use Q, except Q will do the offloading to QE where it can. Simple as that.