Why are Liberals so Arrogant but also so Wrong?

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in PoliticalOutsider edited January 2014
The Arrogance of Uneducated Liberals



Three excerpts from the book Makers and Takers by Peter Schweitzer and unlike, say the Thomas Frank Kansas book, this one uses actual information to craft the conclusions within it.



The third except
is actually the best in my view. I'll link to the first two as well which are called, "Why Liberals Prefer Raising Dogs over Children," and "Conservatives are Greedy, Liberals Just Want to Get Rich."



For today though it is that intelligence question which turns out, like most things liberals say, to be presumed and unfounded.



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This liberal assumption that a candidate can be just too darn smart to win a presidential election in this country goes back to Adlai Stevenson.



What proof was there of Gore?s alleged gravitas? How exactly did the media know that Gore was so smart and Bush so dumb? In fact, the record did not indicate any of this was true. It was often alleged, probably with reason, that Bush only got into Yale because his father had gone there and his grandfather had been a Connecticut senator. Yet Gore, with high school Bs and Cs (his only As were in art), got into Harvard in part because (like other politicians? sons, including a raft of Kennedys) his father was a famous senator. At Harvard, Gore?s grades did not improve. In his sophomore year he earned a D, a C-minus, two Cs, two C-pluses and one B-minus. He was in the bottom fifth of his class his first two years in school. Later he flunked out of divinity school (failing five of his eight classes) and dropped out of Vanderbilt University Law School. Gore was once asked (after having served in the U.S. Senate for several years) to name his favourite president. ?President Knox,? he replied.



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Howell Raines, former executive editor of The New York Times, explained during the election that it was quite obvious that Bush was a dim bulb in contrast to Kerry: ?Does anyone in America doubt that Kerry has a higher IQ than Bush? I?m sure the candidates? SATs and college transcripts would put Kerry far ahead.?

Fact checking was apparently not necessary for Raines. Though at the time, of course, no one could actually check because Kerry kept refusing to release his transcripts from Yale, or any information about intelligence tests that he would have taken as a Navy officer............



Then a Navy veteran named Sam Sewell noticed something on the Kerry campaign Web site. In one of the documents posted on the Web page, an obscure military report offered a cryptic score that was actually the result of an IQ-like qualifying test Kerry had taken in 1966. As it happened, George W. Bush had taken the same test just a few years later. Columnist Steve Sailer determined that Bush?s score put him in the 95th percentile, giving him an IQ in the 120s. Kerry?s score was slightly lower, putting him in the 91st percentile...................



After Bush won re-election, it became clear why Kerry hadn?t wanted to release his college records. The Boston Globe discovered that Bush actually had higher grades at Yale and also had higher SAT scores. (Bush?s scores were also higher than those of Senator Bill Bradley, another liberal often described as learned and brilliant.)



I've had to save the best for last of course...



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Professor Bruce Fleming, a self-professed liberal, explains this liberal attitude perfectly. ?All of us are ignorant of many things. It?s just that the liberal here thinkss he knows what the conservative is ignorant of.?



This sublime confidence in their own superiority leads to a closed-minded insistence that liberals know what is right. Scholars at Stanford, the University of Illinois and Williams conducted four studies on the subject of ?asymmetric insight.? Basically, this is the notion that some people claim to know more than others. Surveys were conducted with hundreds of students. Among their findings: Liberals are much more likely to believe that their knowledge of conservatives and their arguments surpasses that of conservatives themselves. The results were similar when it came to the abortion issue. Abortion rights advocates claimed to have greater knowledge and insight than those who are pro-life.



Liberals claim to know your information better than you, and your own motivations better than you. They claim to know where and how you got your information, what you are going to do with it, and why you read it in the first place.



As usual, it turns out they are wrong. The pedestal is really not even a stair step and might even the cellar thanks to their own closed minded insistence on ignoring reality. When their closed minds lead to bad conclusions, election losses and the always popular unintended consequences it is always because of "dirty tricks." Any investigation into these tricks often turn up evidence of wrong doing, but it is the liberals doing it. They are the ones handing out crack or cigarettes, slashing van tires, or raising the dead to vote.



So for my liberal friends, when I encounter this attitude from you yet again, I'll try not to feel to bad for you. Your cognitive bias due to your illusion of asymmetric insight is actually a handicap that should earn my pity. It must be hard being so wrong and then in the end being so paranoid and conspiratorial to explain away the false conclusions.



So I'll bare with you. I'll be forgiving of your tantrums and profanity laced tirades. You probably can't help yourself since you are saddled with the inability to see beyond your own nose while believing you have better than average eyesight.



I'll be there to wipe away your tears.
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  • dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Sheesh, Nick -- the answer is obvious. The lovely Lefties are smarter, better, and more educated than we Rightish types.



    edit:



    You see, we're not just wrong -- but stupid, dishonest, and evil. That's what passes for a "dialogue" and being "multiculturally sensitive." P.Z. Myers' latest call to desecrate the Eucharist is a good example of this.



    C'mon Nick, where's your "perspective"? It's all about getting along, except when it isn't.
  • sslarsonsslarson Posts: 923member
    This could explain why, around here anyway, I find liberals resorting to name calling, insults and especially questioning their opponent's intelligence, mental faculties and even sanity.



    More than once I've seen "retard", "moron", multiple variations on "ass" (e.g., "asshat", "ass clown", asshole") thrown out (by more than one poster). And I'm only counting those directed specifically at another poster. But there are also those commonly referring to Bush or McCain (uhh...I mean "McInsane" or "McStain" or "McStupid").



    More than once I've seen phrases like "warped mental state of mind" or "seriously mental and sick" thrown out.



    And yet, there appears to be no moderation whatsoever.



    Personally I think infractions given out by moderators should be made public too.
  • @_@ artman@_@ artman Posts: 5,231member
  • marcukmarcuk Posts: 4,442member
    "Stuck in this hole with the shit and the piss...."
  • formerlurkerformerlurker Posts: 2,686member
    "Why is the IGNORE feature the single best feature of this forum software?"
  • billy childishbilly childish Posts: 16member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MarcUK View Post


    "Stuck in this hole with the shit and the piss...."



    if yew do not fitt in the onlie brakest thay can undastand then for shoor yew will fynd yorself at the bottum of a big hol wiv bofe the 'librals' and 'consurvativs' pissin on yew....



    of cors, one will piss from the left syde and one from the rite -but it's wen eever ov them taykes a shit that yew reelley want to wurry thow coz wen thay start to tork shit (witch is a lot ov the tyme) then thay doo it from the sayme playce and it is hedded in onlie won direkshun....
  • addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,667member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sslarson View Post


    This could explain why, around here anyway, I find liberals resorting to name calling, insults and especially questioning their opponent's intelligence, mental faculties and even sanity.



    More than once I've seen "retard", "moron", multiple variations on "ass" (e.g., "asshat", "ass clown", asshole") thrown out (by more than one poster). And I'm only counting those directed specifically at another poster. But there are also those commonly referring to Bush or McCain (uhh...I mean "McInsane" or "McStain" or "McStupid").



    More than once I've seen phrases like "warped mental state of mind" or "seriously mental and sick" thrown out.



    And yet, there appears to be no moderation whatsoever.



    Personally I think infractions given out by moderators should be made public too.



    Well, it's true. Liberals are vile, arrogant, lying, treasonous, bitter, debased, amoral, licentious, communist fascist socialist totalitarian monsters, we can all agree, but the thing that really makes them extra contemptible is that they call people names.



    Also? Very, very hypocritical.
  • hardeeharharhardeeharhar Posts: 4,841member
    or perhaps the arguments conservatives use aren't based on facts, but rather, emotional senses about the way things work. the style of arguing is very different between liberals and conservatives. to a liberal, facts are everything, to a conservative, a sense of rightness is everything. only one of these styles of arguing with the world would result in claims that the person arguing knows more than their opponent. it'd be interesting to see if conservative feel better about issues they support than liberals.



    of course, it's all a big joke because feelings of this sort aren't fundamental to the person, but intelligence (in reality, here, not intelligence, but senses of factual correctness) is fundamental. my personal take on all of this is that the emotional basis of conservative arguments (fairness, morality, virtue, etc) isn't so self-chosen...
  • sslarsonsslarson Posts: 923member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hardeeharhar View Post


    to a liberal, facts are everything







    What's worse, you probably believe that.
  • dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hardeeharhar View Post


    or perhaps the arguments conservatives use aren't based on facts, but rather, emotional senses about the way things work. the style of arguing is very different between liberals and conservatives. to a liberal, facts are everything, to a conservative, a sense of rightness is everything. only one of these styles of arguing with the world would result in claims that the person arguing knows more than their opponent. it'd be interesting to see if conservative feel better about issues they support than liberals.



    Like when Dawkins makes Freshman "who created God?" philosophy mistakes, Michael Moore edits entirely for effect, and P.Z. "it's just a fracken cracker" Myers calls for desecrating the Eucharist? Those are your leaders -- and that's coin-of-the-realm behavior for all of them.



    You guys on the Left might find the occasional Coulter or Savage to cite, true, but the general level of foul-mouthedness, and bile has no comparison. You search until you find a Westborogh Baptist Church, then ignore the mainstream, and use the former as an excuse to turn on the F-bomb machine.
  • franksargentfranksargent Posts: 4,694member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    Well, it's true. Liberals are vile, arrogant, lying, treasonous, bitter, debased, amoral, licentious, communist fascist socialist totalitarian monsters, we can all agree, but the thing that really makes them extra contemptible is that they call people names.



    Also? Very, very hypocritical.



    All the neocon artist buttnuggets float to the top here in PO. and guess what? It really stinks up the place just of like a pig farm, and on a really bad day the downwind stench is palpable on a global scale. Seriously.
  • franksargentfranksargent Posts: 4,694member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmz View Post


    Like when Dawkins makes Freshman "who created God?" philosophy mistakes, Micheal Moore edits entirely for effect, and P.Z. "it's just a fracken cracker" Myers calls for desecrating the Eucharist? Those are your leaders -- and that's coin-of-the-realm behavior for all of them.



    You guys on the Left might find the occasional Coulter or Savage to cite, true, but the general level of foul-mouthedness, and bile has no comparison. You search until you find a Westborogh Baptist Church, then ignore the mainstream, and use the former as an excuse to turn on the F-bomb machine.



    Just love the name calling, since most stuff from the right is nonsensical or you make up things from you own Private Idaho.
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 10,060member
    You know, I think I have to agree. We liberals are both arrogant and wrong almost all the time. In fact, I'm having difficulty coming up with an example of a liberal (including myself) being both humble and correct. Or being EITHER humble OR correct.



    Good one, Nick! We should all work on that.
  • dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Actually midwinter, you don't tend to fall down the F-bomb stairs, or do the bile thing.
  • franksargentfranksargent Posts: 4,694member
    I am so not wanting to be a liberal anymore. I have seen the errors of our ways. There that should cure me from calling people on the right names. But I still get to call people on the left names. Those bastards. K-K-K-ool!
  • fellowshipfellowship Posts: 5,038member
    Nick,



    Buddy you need a break.



    Take a week off and tell me it does not do you a world of good. It certainly will, I can almost guarantee it.



    I could care less a person's politics. A break is really a breath of fresh air and God knows we all need to take a breath of fresh air at times.



    Go take a breather Nick.



    Take one week from posting new threads.....



    Just do it.



    Fellows
  • dmzdmz Posts: 5,775member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by franksargent View Post


    All the neocon artist buttnuggets float to the top here in PO. and guess what? It really stinks up the place just of like a pig farm, and on a really bad day the downwind stench is palpable on a global scale. Seriously.





  • hardeeharharhardeeharhar Posts: 4,841member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sslarson View Post






    What's worse, you probably believe that.



    even worse is that you feel you are making a point...
  • hardeeharharhardeeharhar Posts: 4,841member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmz View Post


    Like when Dawkins makes Freshman "who created God?" philosophy mistakes, Michael Moore edits entirely for effect, and P.Z. "it's just a fracken cracker" Myers calls for desecrating the Eucharist? Those are your leaders -- and that's coin-of-the-realm behavior for all of them.



    You guys on the Left might find the occasional Coulter or Savage to cite, true, but the general level of foul-mouthedness, and bile has no comparison. You search until you find a Westborogh Baptist Church, then ignore the mainstream, and use the former as an excuse to turn on the F-bomb machine.



    See... You are offended, an emotional response, by the liberal attacks. If you were at all in your head, these things wouldn't be as baiting or appalling to you... It's not that we, both conservatives and liberals, cannot make arguments in the other's styles, it's that by doing so, we are far more effective at angering the other side which is exactly what the people you cite are trying to do...
  • franksargentfranksargent Posts: 4,694member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dmz View Post






    Without a doubt.
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