This is called getting ripped to shreds

hmurchisonhmurchison
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in macOS edited January 2014
<a href="http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/557/"; target="_blank">http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/557/</a>;



My Gawd they're pummeling this guy with two fists! LOL it's a riot.



I don't claim to know a thing about Unix but there's been alot of good counterpoints to the Author's Article.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 14
    ghost_user_nameghost_user_name Posts: 22,667member
    Christ. What an idiot.



    I almost think that artictle was written as flamebait, specifically tailored to get people's attention and piss them off.
  • Reply 2 of 14
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Probably.



    It doesn't have fortune! Heaven forfend!



    And it doesn't have gcc! Oh, wait...



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 3 of 14
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    yeah, when someone is bitching about tools you don't have access to..... except on the CD that comes with the OS, or online, or from anyone else who has the CD (no restrictive licensce or codes here).



    sheesh, talk about trying to find something to complain about....



    fact is 90% of OSX users won't use those tools or have a clue what they are, and the ones who can use them know how to add them because they're pretty computer savvy.



    or like the complaint about "root" not being enabled by default. i'm sorry, but that sounds damn smart to my from a user standpoint and security. not sure why you'd want root enabled by default on desktop machines anyway.
  • Reply 4 of 14
    torifiletorifile Posts: 4,024member
    To save everyone the trouble of reading all that, here's the one post that puts the question to rest:



    [quote]



    The question and debate about whether Mac OS X is truly Unix or not was debated online a long time ago on slashdot.com and osopinion.com. The reason for the debate was the fact that the name Unix belongs to the Open Group (http://www.unix-systems.org/). Here's the url to the concluding article on osopinion concluding that OS X was Unix-like though not true Unix and therefore not recognized by the Open Group: <a href="http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/9451.html."; target="_blank">http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/9451.html.</a>; It should be noted that a footnote at the very bottom of the article contains a link to the Open Group web site. After hearing about the question of Apple's OS X position in relation to other unices, the Open Group updated their web site to include Apple as a company supporting the unified Unix specification: <a href="http://www.unix-systems.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html#platform."; target="_blank">http://www.unix-systems.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html#platform.</a>; So, as far as the Open Group is concerned, OS X is as Unix as any other flavor out there. Just because OS X is different in its installation than the type of Unix you use does not make it not Unix. What Unix is is determined by the body that controls the use of the name Unix, which is the Open Group.

    <hr></blockquote>



    It was the second to last post when I read it and it's the most definitive answer to the question. What a bad article, though.
  • Reply 5 of 14
    rodukroduk Posts: 706member
    Talk about nit picking

    The guy's an idiot.



    Unix isn't just a name, and arguably isn't even an operating system. It's a set of specifications an operating system must comply to, which OSX does, amongst others.
  • Reply 6 of 14
    rogue27rogue27 Posts: 607member
    another anti-mac article written to generate more sign-ups...



    The fact that people try writing such inaccurate articles to bash OS X says that they are scared. They know OS X has potential and they want it to fail, much like I want the X-Box to fail.
  • Reply 7 of 14
    torifiletorifile Posts: 4,024member
    [quote]Originally posted by rogue27:

    <strong>another anti-mac article written to generate more sign-ups...



    The fact that people try writing such inaccurate articles to bash OS X says that they are scared. They know OS X has potential and they want it to fail, much like I want the X-Box to fail.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I think that guy was genuinely ignorant of the facts. He had an impression of what "UNIX" is and he went with it. No research was done and he knew he had a very weak argument. I still can't get over the fact that he complained because the dev tools are on another CD. Maybe someone needs to explain to him that you can only fit so much on one cd and that it makes sense to have things organized. I dunno. Regardless, he was shown that he was wrong in his assessment.
  • Reply 8 of 14
    dstranathandstranathan Posts: 1,717member
    What is gcc?



    What is Fortune?



    Is Display Postscript part of Quartz?
  • Reply 9 of 14
    thuh freakthuh freak Posts: 2,664member
    [quote]Originally posted by dstranathan:

    <strong>What is gcc?



    What is Fortune?



    Is Display Postscript part of Quartz?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    gcc is a command-line compiler/assembler/linker (the defacto standard on *nixes). fortune is an amusing command-line program which displays funny quotes and/or "fortunes" (its got a huge database, and a random one pops up on each call to it). not sure about the last one; i think so.



    [edit: i'm crazy]



    [ 09-16-2002: Message edited by: thuh Freak ]</p>
  • Reply 10 of 14
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    Display Postscript was the Display Technology in Quartz. It was as it sounds Postscript for Display. However it was pretty processor intensive for it's time and came with hefty licensing fees.



    Quartz has many of the benefits of DP but uses the free PDF spec. Apple did a great job on utilizing the freebies of Quartz to cut out licensing DP for OSX. Lucky for us or OSX could have been $200.
  • Reply 11 of 14
    kecksykecksy Posts: 1,002member
    I think most Unix users realize this guy is an idiot. Look at the responses. Now I feel sorry for him.
  • Reply 12 of 14
    curiousuburbcuriousuburb Posts: 3,325member
    Display Postscript first appeared on the NeXT



    it was the key part of what made the NeXT "true WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get), because for the first time,IIRC, Postscript was being used to display _both_ the screen and the printout.



    if "Screen PDF" is the offspring of Display PS (hard to verify ex-NeXT staffers on the QE team now... no more developer credit ), and as more corporate networks and print shops go exclusively-PDF (ripped, then only as PDF internally until direct to plate or digital printer), it seems the circle is completing itself again



    adobe royalty holders must chuckle



    perhaps QE will spur a move to all OpenGL one day.



    hmmm...
  • Reply 13 of 14
    anamacanamac Posts: 80member
    Aren't outrageous posts one of the reasons it's so easy to spend hours on message boards? If everyone always agreed...how plain vanilla a universe it would be.



    I couldn't help thinking of my mom on her iMac having root access. I mean, she keep trying to download Windows games...keep those developers tools and UNIX secrets away! I just tell her that all she needs to know about UNIX is: it's a good thing. Keep it simple. Enjoy the Aqua, leave the underpinnings alone.
  • Reply 14 of 14
    gambitgambit Posts: 475member
    I read that article, or at least the first few paragraphs, before dismissing the dude as a jealous Linux zealot with no point or valid argument but, unfortunately, the ability to write and publish his thoughts in an open forum. I'm glad the responses at the end of his mindless rant confirmed my initial observations. Idiots who can write but can't reason deserve to be flamed.
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