Colin Powell endorses Obama for president

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in PoliticalOutsider edited January 2014
This deserves its own thread.







Perhaps the only cabinet member from either of George W Bush's two terms that has national respect has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president.



Powell's endorsement of Obama is significant because Colin Powell is so powerfully associated with the early days of the Bush administration, when approval ratings were high and the nation was not so thoroughly divided. At the time of his selection as Secretary of State, Powell was seen as a figure of amazing importance and potential and respect from both sides of the aisle. Although his embarrassment at the UN has marred his reputation somewhat, he is still considered a respected statesmen by most.



Even further, Powell's endorsement was not tepid or non-committal. In doing so Powell has laid out clearly the reasons that he feels that his party (he still calls himself Republican) has abandoned its principles:

- It's inability to form a coherent conservative economic plan.

- It's inability to reign in government size or spending.

- It's reliance on anti-Muslim bigotry to shore up support and motivate voters.

- It's dogged focus on a very narrow slice of America.

- It's choosing for veneration embarrassingly unqualified and unprepared figures (Palin).
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  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,190member
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    Originally Posted by groverat View Post


    This deserves its own thread.







    Perhaps the only cabinet member from either of George W Bush's two terms that has national respect has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president.



    Powell's endorsement of Obama is significant because Colin Powell is so powerfully associated with the early days of the Bush administration, when approval ratings were high and the nation was not so thoroughly divided. At the time of his selection as Secretary of State, Powell was seen as a figure of amazing importance and potential and respect from both sides of the aisle. Although his embarrassment at the UN has marred his reputation somewhat, he is still considered a respected statesmen by most.



    Even further, Powell's endorsement was not tepid or non-committal. In doing so Powell has laid out clearly the reasons that he feels that his party (he still calls himself Republican) has abandoned its principles:

    - It's inability to form a coherent conservative economic plan.



    Because Obama's is much better.



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    - It's inability to reign in government size or spending.



    Because Obama will do much better.



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    - It's reliance on anti-Muslim bigotry to shore up support and motivate voters.



    Absolutely ridiculous assertion. Repeat something often enough and it becomes reality, I guess.



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    - It's dogged focus on a very narrow slice of America.



    Yes, very narrow: Any American who values life, limited government, originalist intent, strong national security and low taxes.



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    - It's choosing for veneration embarrassingly unqualified and unprepared figures (Palin).



    Figures who happen to be more qualified to be President than the Democratic Presidential nominee himself.



    Would you all agree that Powell has been considered a very moderate Republican? Let's not pretend we're talking about a Rush Limbaugh type here. And please...please someone tell me they have doubts that this has nothing to do with race. It's actually quite amusing watching people claim race is an issue in this campaign, then claim race isn't an issue when an endorsement like this comes up.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
    It is funny because I had a conversation with a fellow teacher of mine. He was catching all sorts of hell after sending out progress reports because you know kids were actually accountable for their actions and the grades that resulted from them.



    I explained to him that in a country where the banks aren't responsible for the loans they originate and their parents aren't responsible for the lies they told to get them, that no one was going to hold a nine year old responsible for their own academic progress. This helped him understand. He can now properly shrug his shoulders and thus keep his job. I'm getting ready to shrug a bit myself. The looters are coming. What will they take from you?
  • franksargentfranksargent Posts: 4,694member
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    And please...please someone tell me they have doubts that this has nothing to do with race. It's actually quite amusing watching people claim race is an issue in this campaign, then claim race isn't an issue when an endorsement like this comes up.



    WTF?



    I'd say something really unwelcome here, but then I'd get a ... \ gold star.



    Because the above comment of yours almost certainly sounds ... like something an elitist might say.
  • @_@ artman@_@ artman Posts: 5,231member
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    The looters are coming. What will they take from you?



    Our votes.



    Honestly, the two of you have very good qualities besides your current political affiliations.



    It's time to put those political ties aside (as Powell) and choose the course this country has to take before that party, our country and our reputation is cast aside.
  • addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,667member
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    Because Obama's is much better.



    Why yes, it is.



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    Because Obama will do much better.



    He couldn't possibly be worse than Bush. I don't think conservatives have quite figured out how utterly baseless their cries of "big spender" have become.



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    Absolutely ridiculous assertion. Repeat something often enough and it becomes reality, I guess.



    Or try to deny what is plain for everyone to see and hope it goes away. Good luck with that.



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    Yes, very narrow: Any American who values life, limited government, originalist intent, strong national security and low taxes.



    Who live in the "real" parts of America.



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    Figures who happen to be more qualified to be President than the Democratic Presidential nominee himself.



    Because it's impossible to form adult opinions about people based on what you can perceive about their intelligence, curiosity, willingness to learn, life experience, temperament, flexibility or imagination. When Sarah Palin makes random noises in response to questions, and Obama gives detailed and thoughtful answers, I think to myself: "That woman is certainly more qualified", because that's what "qualified" means.



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    Would you all agree that Powell has been considered a very moderate Republican? Let's not pretend we're talking about a Rush Limbaugh type here. And please...please someone tell me they have doubts that this has nothing to do with race. It's actually quite amusing watching people claim race is an issue in this campaign, then claim race isn't an issue when an endorsement like this comes up.



    I'm not allowed to say what I think of this reasoning.
  • franksargentfranksargent Posts: 4,694member
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    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    It is funny because I had a conversation with a fellow teacher of mine. He was catching all sorts of hell after sending out progress reports because you know kids were actually accountable for their actions and the grades that resulted from them.



    I explained to him that in a country where the banks aren't responsible for the loans they originate and their parents aren't responsible for the lies they told to get them, that no one was going to hold a nine year old responsible for their own academic progress. This helped him understand. He can now properly shrug his shoulders and thus keep his job. I'm getting ready to shrug a bit myself. The looters are coming. What will they take from you?



    So Colin Powell is the front man for all of these looters?



    The trail of bankrupt bread crumbs leads straight to the Republicans looters.
  • addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,667member
    Gosh, it's so depressing to have to live amongst the wastrels and hypocrites that ruined the country, after championing their cause for many years until it all fell apart.



    I, of course, am blameless, and can only gaze upon my worthless cohort with pity.



    It is very difficult to be me.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,255member
    It is the exact opposite Artman. I've not ever claimed Obama was a muslim, or even worried about where he was born as so many like to caricature with here.



    You'll remember I correctly called the state of our economy in AO well before now. I noted it early even though and even noted the timeframe and knew even then it would be uphill for Republicans. That was before we even knew who the nominees would be.



    The reason I can see what is happening has nothing to do with party and everything to do with generations. We've just given the most obese kids the keys to the kitchen while we are all supposed to be at fat camp. Bush was supposed to compassionately feed us celery sticks and instead started passing out Ding Dongs. Those aren't good actions but you would defend them knowing what the alternatives are with regard to country health.



    Several studies have found that FDR's policies turned a recession into a depression. It extended the length of it by several years. We are clearly in the same spot now and regardless of party, we appear to be choosing the path that will lead to depression and some very long pain. Platitudes won't change that. The Republicans of 94 started us on a good path, but like so many in the boomer generation, they don't practice what they preach. They give up and give in. They are and always have been a soft generation that I believe will be the end of us.



    I've taken the right financial steps for this so I don't have much to fear. There isn't a dollar I've invested that isn't an inflation hedge.
  • groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    SDW:



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    Would you all agree that Powell has been considered a very moderate Republican?



    I suppose it depends on what you mean by "moderate". He's not socially liberal (against gay marriage, pro-life).



    He's not a neo-conservative warhawk screaming about socialism and Muslims on talk radio, if that's what you mean...



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    And please...please someone tell me they have doubts that this has nothing to do with race.



    I don't think it is.



    Can you explain why you think Powell endorsed Obama because they are both black?





    trumpt:



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    The looters are coming. What will they take from you?



    What are they going to take from you? Are you going to pretend that you make $250,000+ per year and that Obama's tax increases will impact your finances?



    How do you put this economy on the Democrats when Republicans have controlled government for 8 years?



    The mental gymnastics are gold medal-worthy.
  • brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    Well my confidence that I've made the right choice in Obama just took a little downturn.
  • franksargentfranksargent Posts: 4,694member
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    Well my confidence that I've made the right choice in Obama just took a little downturn.



    Care to explain why? Just curious.
  • @_@ artman@_@ artman Posts: 5,231member
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    They are and always have been a soft generation that I believe will be the end of us.



    I've taken the right financial steps for this so I don't have much to fear. There isn't a dollar I've invested that isn't an inflation hedge.



    Well spoken. And good prevention. But it doesn't state anything as to why McCain/Palin wouldn't send us into Hell either.



    So why not put the 20th century aside and take the risk to move on?



    And honestly, if the Republicans continue to use this to win elections, why even support that? The more the Republicans push the ACORN stuff, the more I believe they are covering up their own crimes.
  • brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
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    Care to explain why? Just curious.



    Because Powell is a putz just trying to rehabilitate his tattered image and jumping on the bandwagon of the projected winner of the election.
  • @_@ artman@_@ artman Posts: 5,231member
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    Because Powell is a putz just trying to rehabilitate his tattered image and jumping on the bandwagon of the projected winner of the election.



    I feel as though Americans generally don't have a very good perspective first, of what the role of the secretary of state is; second how good of a secretary of state Powell actually was; and third, how much Powell still has clout amongst moderate republicans and right-leaning independents.



    It is a shame that so few remember that he was the lone voice of reason in the Bush administration. For quite some time he fought to keep us out of Iraq and then fought the Bush's drive for unilateral action, preferring to wait until there was international support for such action.



    His decision ultimately to follow orders under the influence of fabricated intelligence is one the man clearly regrets...



    He was the first in the administration to acknowledge the flawed intelligence and he resigned soon after it was clear there were no WMDs, but only after pushing for the reform of U.S. intelligence organization.



    His decision to ultimately kowtow to the Bush administration was a mistake and an inexcusable one. But his remains a respected voice amongst centrists.



    Marred maybe. Tarnished, definitely. But still respected better than many through large swaths of the US population.
  • groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    BRussell:



    I also harbor feelings of personal betrayal by Powell, but that's reaching. His UN speech may dominate my perception of him in many ways, but I seriously doubt he is making his decisions based on it 5 years later.





    trumpt:



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    They are and always have been a soft generation that I believe will be the end of us.



    Well at least you're being rational.
  • addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,667member
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    BRussell:



    I also harbor feelings of personal betrayal by Powell, but that's reaching. His UN speech may dominate my perception of him in many ways, but I seriously doubt he is making his decisions based on it 5 years later.





    trumpt:







    Well at least you're being rational.



    There's a certain line of thought that leads to being Supreme Warlord of a cult in Idaho. We can call it: The Only People That Know The Truth, Although I'm Keeping My Eye On You.
  • addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,667member
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    Because Powell is a putz just trying to rehabilitate his tattered image and jumping on the bandwagon of the projected winner of the election.



    True enough, but: we are facing some pretty stark choices. I actually don't think it overstates the case to say that Sarah Palin represents a nascent American fascism and an opportunity for domestic terrorism.



    Actually, the same old American fascism, just brought further into the mainstream than as of late. How long before a community organizer gets shot? How long before an ACORN office gets bombed? People are being told that poor and black Americans are a cancerous lesion that is sapping the very lifeblood of This Great Nation. It's not a great stretch to assume some Patriots might be motivated to come to the defense of God and Country. And it's much easier to make that leap when you scapegoat the powerless, while insisting that they are, in fact, the ones with all the power. That, historically, is how fascism takes root.



    Given that, Powell is fucking Churchill, compromised hack that he is. We're not talking about differing ideologies, any more. We're talking about an angry, violent mob vs. something resembling a rational government. Any adult with a national profile, no matter how tattered their reputation, is all to the good at this point, in my book.
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
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    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    True enough, but: we are facing some pretty stark choices. I actually don't think it overstates the case to say that Sarah Palin represents a nascent American fascism and an opportunity for domestic terrorism.



    Actually, the same old American fascism, just brought further into the mainstream than as of late. How long before a community organizer gets shot? How long before an ACORN office gets bombed? People are being told that poor and black Americans are a cancerous lesion that is sapping the very lifeblood of This Great Nation. It's not a great stretch to assume some Patriots might be motivated to come to the defense of God and Country. And it's much easier to make that leap when you scapegoat the powerless, while insisting that they are, in fact, the ones with all the power. That, historically, is how fascism takes root.



    Given that, Powell is fucking Churchill, compromised hack that he is. We're not talking about differing ideologies, any more. We're talking about an angry, violent mob vs. something resembling a rational government. Any adult with a national profile, no matter how tattered their reputation, is all to the good at this point, in my book.



    Where do you get all this from? Other than making it up because it sounds good to you. Go sentence by sentence and back up your post with something factual.
  • @_@ artman@_@ artman Posts: 5,231member
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    Originally Posted by FloorJack View Post


    Where do you get all this from?



    Well, everywhere else. Excluding FoxNews and talk radio of course.
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
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    Originally Posted by @_@ Artman View Post


    Well, everywhere else. Excluding FoxNews and talk radio of course.



    Okay so back it all up by siting news stories from major papers like NYT, WashPo heck even toss in the Boston Herald and LA Times.
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