Adobe releases Flash Player 10.1 for Mac

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  • groovetubegroovetube Posts: 557member
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    Originally Posted by jeffreytgilbert View Post


    poorly optimized code is poorly optimized code. it wont matter how good the plugin is if the code is bogus. SAME GOES FOR JAVASCRIPT. SAME GOES FOR OBJECTIVE C!



    ahh. Someone gets it...

  • extremeskaterextremeskater Posts: 2,248member
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    Originally Posted by souliisoul View Post


    same old argument, same old crap, why don't you just cut and paste.



    Its not an argument its the reality of the situation. Do you not use the web? Are you that blind that you don't understand the vast majority of websites use Flash for streaming video and they are not using HTML5.



    Besides why is it when someone says they use something, if it doesn't fit into the cookie cutter mold of what Apple wants you to use then your a troll.



    Maybe you should just cut and paste becasue again you commented and said nothing.



    Try using any local news or weather site and not have Flash as a plugin. See how far you get. Try using sites like VEVO or any of the other hundred that stream music without Flash.



    Its not like this is something made up. For you to think Flash still doesn't totally dominate the web, you are living in a cave.



    See the difference with you is you modify your behavior based on Apples rules, you play in their little arena, within the walls they create and you allow them to think for you. Which in some sick way makes you happy.
  • heffequeheffeque Posts: 139member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    for users with modern Macs (equipped with NVIDIA 9400M or better graphics) and Snow Leopard.



    That's not true! I have an nVidia video card that's better than the 9400M (I have the discrete 8600M GT) and it doesn't do hardware acceleration! (Apple's fault in this case)



    Also... check this out!



    This is how the official Flash 10.1 works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC9lYFsRaUs



    Adobe EPIC FAIL!
  • hezetationhezetation Posts: 674member
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    Originally Posted by Bulky Cranium View Post


    I've installed "click to flash" a while back, just to see what I would really be missing when I got my iPad. Actually, I have not missed any flash content, so I have just left that installed.



    I'm not a gamer, so the only thing I am missing so far has just been ads. Stuff like Hulu doesn't work for us in Canada anyway, so I'm not missing that anyway.



    Hulu has been loosing ground anyway, half the shows I ever watched on there have moved back from next day after TV spot to like 2 weeks later, almost all I can just get directly off the studio's site.



    Got my wife an iPad, haven't once heard her complain about missing website content (she usually would complain about little annoyances like that).



    On a side note, tried the Gala version with supposed H.264 hardware support, still 3x cpu usage of quicktime & HD video can't seriously be the resolution they are claiming cause it looks like crap.
  • oo63oo63 Posts: 10member
    I've downloaded Flash Lite and tried it on my Nexus One, just like everyone else, I wanted to see what the hype is all about. Then I uninstalled it a few days later. Suddenly, many of the sites I frequent is plagued with Flash advertisements.



    Not only that, Flash Lite takes up a whopping 22mb of space and slows Android down considerably, even after applying the Froyo update. I'm content with no Flash on mobile, just like I've been for the past 3 years .
  • hezetationhezetation Posts: 674member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Its not an argument its the reality of the situation. Do you not use the web? Are you that blind that you don't understand the vast majority of websites use Flash for streaming video and they are not using HTML5.



    Besides why is it when someone says they use something, if it doesn't fit into the cookie cutter mold of what Apple wants you to use then your a troll.



    Maybe you should just cut and paste becasue again you commented and said nothing.



    Try using any local news or weather site and not have Flash as a plugin. See how far you get. Try using sites like VEVO or any of the other hundred that stream music without Flash.



    Its not like this is something made up. For you to think Flash still doesn't totally dominate the web, you are living in a cave.



    See the difference with you is you modify your behavior based on Apples rules, you play in their little arena, within the walls they create and you allow them to think for you. Which in some sick way makes you happy.



    Vast majority uses flash cause no one is forcing them to change. Remember when the vast majority of the web used ActiveX plugins? Man those were ugly times.



    Companies have a lot vested in flash, it's true, but the reality is that most flash on the web is used for advertising, other services already have big plans to move into HTML5.
  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,558member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Its not an argument its the reality of the situation. Do you not use the web? Are you that blind that you don't understand the vast majority of websites use Flash for streaming video and they are not using HTML5.



    Besides why is it when someone says they use something, if it doesn't fit into the cookie cutter mold of what Apple wants you to use then your a troll.



    Maybe you should just cut and paste becasue again you commented and said nothing.



    Try using any local news or weather site and not have Flash as a plugin. See how far you get. Try using sites like VEVO or any of the other hundred that stream music without Flash.



    Its not like this is something made up. For you to think Flash still doesn't totally dominate the web, you are living in a cave.



    See the difference with you is you modify your behavior based on Apples rules, you play in their little arena, within the walls they create and you allow them to think for you. Which in some sick way makes you happy.



    I still don't see how your argument supports the claim that Apple made a mistake eliminating floppy drives from the iMacs... oh, wait, this is about Flash. Well, same thing.
  • chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
    I bet if Apple sent a couple of their guys over to Adobe for a week, they'd tell Adobe what they're doing wrong.



    I wonder what's keeping them from doing that. Gee...



    Screw it. Flash clearly is a Windows only thing, and that's not good. My whole stance is to give Flash a fair chance, but since it's not working (either by Adobe's inexperience, or from Apple snubbing them when they need help) I'm gonna have to say I'm now leaning towards html5.
  • solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by hezetation View Post


    Hulu has been loosing ground anyway, half the shows I ever watched on there have moved back from next day after TV spot to like 2 weeks later, almost all I can just get directly off the studio's site.



    Got my wife an iPad, haven't once heard her complain about missing website content (she usually would complain about little annoyances like that).



    On a side note, tried the Gala version with supposed H.264 hardware support, still 3x cpu usage of quicktime & HD video can't seriously be the resolution they are claiming cause it looks like crap.



    There are also an exodus of stations leaveing Hulu for their own dedicated sites after their contract is up.



    One that I readily recall is Comedy Central''s The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. These were always available on comedycentral.com, but the player on Hulu was much nicer to use.



    Now, I am back to just grabbing the torrents of these shows.



    PS: Hulu and others who want to protect content and offer ads do have an argument for protecting their content better through Flash than other content streaming services. But this won't last long. All the pieces are in place so it's just a matter of time before prudence makes them commit to HTML5 video or lose ad revenue to their competitors.
  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,558member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    There are also an exodus of stations leaveing Hulu for their own dedicated sites after their contract is up. ...



    I also noticed that no one is touting Farmville any longer as a reason why Apple needs to include Flash on iOS.
  • solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    I also noticed that no one is touting Farmville any longer as a reason why Apple needs to include Flash on iOS.



    During the demo my first thought was "This game is that important to people, huh?", then I thought "Wow! This looks completely dull and boring. Who wants to be forced to tend to a virtual farm when the game tells you to? It's like those digital pets from the past."



    Then they talked about the Apple-specific additions for iOS users and thought "So they are pimping to 'Farmville' users that it's on the iPhone, but will it show up on other mobile OSes anytime soon?" And I finally thought, "I'm glad this demo is over and if this is the most prolific single app for Flash then Adobe should just throw in the towel now."
  • jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    How about the millions of Farmville players? You know that Flash-based game whose move to having a native iPhone app was big enough for Apple to have the game company's CEO come during the WWDC keynote speech? And that's just one of many Flash-based games with a huge user base and those DON'T have an iPhone app at this point.



    Your argument seems to come down to: Who needs Flash games on their phone? Which is really close to saying: Who needs games on their phone? And then slides a little further to arguments like: Who needs to browse the web on their phone? If you going to talk about needs, the only thing a phone NEEDS to do is work as a phone.



    Interesting example. Farmville was always cited by the Flash shills as being critical and only working on Flash. Now, Apple announces that Farmville will be out on the iPhone soon. Looks like Flash isn't so critical.



    Same argument was made before about Youtube, Hulu, Disney, car manufacturer's web sites, NBC, NYTimes, and a lot of others - and all of them are now working fine on the iPhone or well on the way.



    Face it - the "Flash is essential" argument has been shown to be bogus. Flash is dead, at the very least on mobile devices - it just doesn't know it yet.
  • masternavmasternav Posts: 442member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Its not an argument its the reality of the situation. Do you not use the web? Are you that blind that you don't understand the vast majority of websites use Flash for streaming video and they are not using HTML5.



    Besides why is it when someone says they use something, if it doesn't fit into the cookie cutter mold of what Apple wants you to use then your a troll.



    Maybe you should just cut and paste becasue again you commented and said nothing.



    Try using any local news or weather site and not have Flash as a plugin. See how far you get. Try using sites like VEVO or any of the other hundred that stream music without Flash.



    Its not like this is something made up. For you to think Flash still doesn't totally dominate the web, you are living in a cave.



    See the difference with you is you modify your behavior based on Apples rules, you play in their little arena, within the walls they create and you allow them to think for you. Which in some sick way makes you happy.



    Unfortunately its still on my ignore list - but hey at least I can see you contribute. On the other hand perhaps the commenter you quoted doesn't spend all of their time on porn sites which is where the majority of Flash (outside of ads of course) resides on the intertubes. But you knew that. Didn't you.



  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,558member
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    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post


    How about the millions of Farmville players? ...



    Ha! It seems I missed page 2 of this thread. They will just get the iOS apps for now, until it's rewritten for HTML5, which, having seen the demo, doesn't seem like it would be that big a deal.
  • thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    During the demo my first thought was "This game is that important to people, huh?", then I thought "Wow! This looks completely dull and boring. Who wants to be forced to tend to a virtual farm when the game tells you to? It's like those digital pets from the past."



    Then they talked about the Apple-specific additions for iOS users and thought "So they are pimping to 'Farmville' users that it's on the iPhone, but will it show up on other mobile OSes anytime soon?" And I finally thought, "I'm glad this demo is over and if this is the most prolific single app for Flash then Adobe should just throw in the towel now."



    Once again I'm with ya on that observation!



    Un-be-lievable! Millions of people waste their time with that "game" for hours a day?



    Again... unbelievable!
  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,558member
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    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    ... Millions of people waste their time with that "game" [Farmville] for hours a day? ...



    Well, in fairness to them, they probably consider that we waste our time posting on AI.
  • solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Its not an argument its the reality of the situation. Do you not use the web? Are you that blind that you don't understand the vast majority of websites use Flash for streaming video and they are not using HTML5.



    Sure, more sites use Flash over HTML5 for video streaming, but even in the last few months that is changing. We have some offering an option for HTML5, others that have long sense started offering an HTML5 version for smartphones or a dedicated app, and others that have stated they will offer a non-Flash version.



    I don't have wait until the milk jug to be empty before I know it's time to buy more milk. I can see the trend and Flash for video streaming is losing its hold. Adobe can try to salvage the video streaming it's lost to the largest growing sector of the market, but it doesn't look good. If you want fast and efficient video streaming to a phone, then Flash is not the answer. If you're more concerned with building once and not caring about mobile user eyeballs than Flash will be just fine.



    For the other aspects of Flash it'll be a long time before webcode can begin to compete any of many levels, but it seems that isn't much of an issue either. It seems Flash apps are moving to dedicated apps for mobiles. All Flash splash pages are a thing of the past (thankfully) so that pretty much leaves businesses that use a Flash page for a sexy look and feel, but these aren't using the hardcore features of Flash and can be replaced with modern webcode with relative ease. But these sites don't matter much to the web as a whole if I'm looking for a fancy restaurant I will likely never use their website, Flash-based or otherwise.



    In the end, even when Flash running on every modern mobile OS (sans iOS) and is pre-installed on every smartphone phone from the factory there is still the hurdle of usefulness to overcome. Like those super feature phones" of Japan and elsewhere and video conferencing that have been on phones for many years, it's not about technically having the capability, it's about it being a viable technology for the device. Nothing I've seen tells me Adobe has tackled that problem.
  • groovetubegroovetube Posts: 557member
    people still think that the ability to use html5 as a delivery method of video, will kill flash. Just how idiotic can this truly get?



    There are hundreds of thousands many times over of sites that use flash, and that are being churned out still, with no sign of slowing. And I'm not talking about video, ads, or games. At all.



    The methods on how we develop sites will change, just like it always has. Technologies that give us a good platform to develop in, and remain relevant, will continue to be used. Neurotic shouting by a handful of blog readers, will do nothing to change all of this. Not even if more youtubes of badly running flash, html5, or whatever, are discovered, and presented as slamdunks "I'm RIGHT! GODAMMIT!" over and over.



    Period.
  • anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,558member
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    Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post


    people still think that the ability to use html5 as a delivery method of video, will kill flash. Just how idiotic can this truly get?



    There are hundreds of thousands many times over of sites that use flash, and that are being churned out still, with no sign of slowing. And I'm not talking about video, ads, or games. At all.



    The methods on how we develop sites will change, just like it always has. Technologies that give us a good platform to develop in, and remain relevant, will continue to be used. Neurotic shouting by a handful of blog readers, will do nothing to change all of this. Not even if more youtubes of badly running flash, html5, or whatever, are discovered, and presented as slamdunks "I'm RIGHT! GODAMMIT!" over and over.



    Period.



    You obviously don't understand technology transitions or paradigm shifts. The way it looks right now between Flash and HTML5 is actually the classic trend between old and new in these cases. The trends and important facts to indicate that we are in the midst of just such a transition are there, as pointed out in other posts in this thread. I don't know why it's so hard for some to accept that technologies don't live forever, or recognize when they are about to be supplanted.
  • groovetubegroovetube Posts: 557member
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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    You obviously don't understand technology transitions or paradigm shifts. The way it looks right now between Flash and HTML5 is actually the classic trend between old and new in these cases. The trends and important facts to indicate that we are in the midst of just such a transition are there, as pointed out in other posts in this thread. I don't know why it's so hard for some to accept that technologies don't live forever, or recognize when they are about to be supplanted.



    What I described has been happening in our industry, for years, this is nothing new. But you need to have actually worked in it for a long time to see it. I'm sorry, but there are no "facts" you speak of in this thread, merely opinions and regurgitations people read on a blog somewhere. Oh, and that they hate flash.



    You can yell you hate flash all you like. It doesn't mean a damn thing, and I'm sure it pisses you off to no end. HTML5 won't kill flash, other factors will. But it takes a little more understanding to know what that means.
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