The Pelosi and Obama thread.

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  • segoviussegovius Posts: 9,872member
    As an aside, though related, I tend to think the recent upsurge in the extreme-right and the outpouring of hate and bile from the US populace (I'm thinking of these Tea characters and the neo-Nazis at the mosque protests in NYC as well as the lies and disinfo attending them) are purely BECAUSE you have a black President and, to a lesser extent, (liberal) women in power.



    There is nothing worse than women, blacks and gays in power to the right-wing if they are liberal. Right-wingers of those persuasions are ok because they are neutralized and will not agitate for rights or justice for the oppression towards those in such groups that the Right metes out.



    In any event, Obama and Pelosi will not, of course, last long and that is the point: when they are removed you will see the hatred and outrage towards minorities (even Muslims) die down.



    If you don't believe me just think of how much hate and racism there is today in US society. Even after 911 there was no such attacks and hatred towards Muslims.



    Because Bush was in power.



    The Right did not need to exercise their violent proclivities.
  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    A woman speaker and a black president. This won't last forever.



    Your thoughts?



    Yes and when it doesn't last you can declare sexism and racism the only cause of the failure thus learning nothing and all at perpetuating the failure.
  • segoviussegovius Posts: 9,872member
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    Originally Posted by FloorJack View Post


    Yes and when it doesn't last you can declare sexism and racism the only cause of the failure thus learning nothing and all and perpetuating the failure.



    Yes...because we all know there is no sexism or racism in America...no sir...
  • wormholewormhole Posts: 864member
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    Originally Posted by john galt View Post


    My thoughts? 1. nothing lasts forever 2. the subject is monumentally stupid



    Here's a thought. In a leadership role, how about considering the person most qualified for the job? What a concept.



    For the current executive, in my opinion, that would have been







    She would have annihilated any of the last Presidential candidates. Easily.







    Frankly I agree. I'd bet most who don't, don't live here. Or they're Democrats.



    What a shame you were not there to make it happen. Your failures abound.
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by segovius View Post


    Yes...because we all know there is no sexism or racism in America...no sir...



    Better than that we know that sexism and racism is the ONLY REASON one wouldn't support Obama and Pelosi. We're so smart!
  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    I think it's easier to blame Obama's and the Democrats' unpopularity on racism or any other "ism" than to actually examine their policies and their destructive, wasteful effects.



    The average American doesn't care about the "isms". We care about what kind of country and world our children will inherit. And frankly, our current government is making it harder for us to get out of this mess.
  • segoviussegovius Posts: 9,872member
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    Originally Posted by FloorJack View Post


    Better than that we know that sexism and racism is the ONLY REASON one wouldn't support Obama and Pelosi. We're so smart!



    Not really though - even in that the Right-wing display the most mind-numbing (literally) ingorance and stupidity.



    They oppose Obama because they think he is a SOCIALIST



    Which is actually just as ridiculous. The fact is that the Left - who would LOVE it if he was a Socialist - have abandoned him for the same reason.



    The Right just can't seem to figure it out:



    They get it that the Left are probably well...a bit Left and they can see that Obama's support is plummeting but they just can;t seem to join the dot.
  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    Only a "progressive" mentality would justify pre-screening a town hall audience to make it more "genuine". Obama's approval is tanking because more and more Americans are finally starting to see through this charade.



    Casting Call for Audience of Obama’s MTV Town Hall?



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    ABC News' Sunlen Miller reports:



    When President Obama sits down for his MTV town hall this Thursday, the audience of young people who will ask him questions will have been gathered by a casting call.



    According to the casting call for the event from talent agency Backstage.com, first reported by National Review Online, the company requests applications for the event, asking what issues the person is “passionate about,” requiring a “short description of your political views,” and also asks for a recent photo.



    “MTV, BET and CMT are casting the audience for town hall meeting with President Obama. Shooting Oct. 14, 4 p.m. in Washington, D.C. Seeking—Audience Members: males & females, 18+,” the casting call says, “To ensure that the audience represents diverse interests and political views, include your name, phone number, hometown, school attending, your job and what issues, if any, you are interested in or passionate about. Also, provide a recent photo and short description of your political views.”



    The casting call says that there is no pay for the appearance at the town hall.



    Dubbed “A Conversation with President Obama”, MTV touted that the town hall will bring the president before 250 young people that represent a “broad cross-section of backgrounds, interests and political viewpoints,” who will ask questions of the president and over Twitter.



    The town hall will be hosted by MTV personality Sway Calloway, BET’s April Woodard, and CMT’s Katie Cook.



    During the 2008 presidential campaign candidate Obama took pains to express that his town halls across the country were entirely authentic, given reports then of the Hillary Clinton campaign planting two questions at her town halls events.



    “By the way, these questions have not been pre-screened or pre-selected. Don’t know what’s coming up,’ then-Senator Obama said in November of 2007 at a town hall in Lebanon, New Hampshire.



    The White House did not immediately respond to questions about Thursday’s town hall.



    --Sunlen Miller



  • segoviussegovius Posts: 9,872member
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    Originally Posted by jazzguru View Post


    Obama's approval is tanking because more and more Americans are finally starting to see through this charade.



    That's what I said...



    The anomaly is that you seem to think this tanking is down to Socialists realizing he is a Socialist.



    Wait...you're not saying that he had support from Conservatives ever are you?
  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by segovius View Post


    That's what I said...



    The anomaly is that you seem to think this tanking is down to Socialists realizing he is a Socialist.



    Wait...you're not saying that he had support from Conservatives ever are you?



    You seem to think he is tanking because he is not far enough to the left. Funny, but outside of MSNBC, I really haven't heard many average Americans making that case.



    It seems to be more of a general notion that Obama is not fixing things, he's being dismissive and arrogant about it, and people are getting sick of it.



    Plenty of conservatives voted for Obama. He could not have won without their votes. For most of them it was a vote against Bush III (McCain) more than a vote for Obama or his policies.
  • segoviussegovius Posts: 9,872member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jazzguru View Post


    You seem to think he is tanking because he is not far enough to the left. Funny, but outside of MSNBC, I really haven't heard many average Americans making that case.



    It seems to be more of a general notion that Obama is not fixing things, he's being dismissive and arrogant about it, and people are getting sick of it.



    Plenty of conservatives voted for Obama. He could not have won without their votes. For most of them it was a vote against Bush III (McCain) more than a vote for Obama or his policies.



    At random from today's news:



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    Despite conservative accusations that Mr Obama is socialist, to progressives, he seems hopelessly moderate. They don't think their agenda has been represented in Washington.



    "Supposedly we have a progressive president. We don't. Supposedly we have been in the majority in Congress but we've seen almost no progressive action at all," said one left-leaning New Yorker, B C Ashmall-Liversidge, at Drinking Liberally, a weekly social gathering in the Hell's Kitchen district.



    Many grassroots activists had worked passionately to elect Barack Obama and have suffered from divided loyalties since his election. Mr Krebs says he's torn between defending and criticising the Obama administration.



    Most people in the progressive community say that they didn't truly believe the country - and its institutional and corporate power centres - would be transformed by one man.



    BBC
  • john galtjohn galt Posts: 957member
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    Originally Posted by Wormhole View Post


    What a shame you were not there to make it happen. Your failures abound.



    ???



    She wanted no part of the job. From which orifice are you speaking now?
  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    By Chris Cillizza ? Tue Oct 12, 7:10 am ET

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    Republicans are doing everything they can to tie vulnerable Democratic incumbents to unpopular Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. Back in 1998, Democrats did the same to then Speaker Newt Gingrich and watched as the GOP lost seats and Gingrich resigned.

    With many Democrats wishing she'd go away, what will election day hold for Pelosi?



    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_newsro...term-elections
  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    Obama Losing Supporters in Poll as Joblessness Prompts Voters' Discontent



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    More than 4 of 10 likely voters who say they once considered themselves Obama backers now are either less supportive or say they no longer support him at all, according to a Bloomberg National Poll conducted Oct. 7-10.



  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    By JOCELYN NOVECK, AP National Writer ? Wed Oct 13, 12:56 am ET



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    NEW YORK ? President Barack Obama has family ties to none other than Sarah Palin, according to the genealogists at Ancestry.com, a discovery the family history site made when looking for connections between political foes.



    And that's not all ? Obama also is apparently related to conservative radio host and relentless critic Rush Limbaugh.



    A genealogist at the Utah-based Ancestry.com, Anastasia Tyler, said Obama and Palin are 10th cousins through a common ancestor named John Smith, a pastor and early settler in 17th-century Massachusetts. Obama is related to Smith through his mother, as is Palin, Tyler said.



    "Smith was against the persecution of the Quakers," Tyler said in an interview. "He was a very socially conscious man."



    As for Limbaugh, he's also a 10th cousin of the president ? one time removed ? through a common ancestor named Richmond Terrell, who Tyler said was a large landowner in Virginia, also in the 17th century. "His history is a little more nebulous," Tyler said.



    How do the genealogists come up with this stuff? Tyler said they start by picking the people they're interested in, then examine their family trees, going back further and further into history, looking for common surnames and locations.



    In the recent project, genealogists looked at the trees of Obama, Palin, and Limbaugh but also a few others, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Fox News pundits Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. They didn't find anything much with the latter three.



    But former President George W. Bush? He's related to both Obama and Palin, the site found. Obama and Bush are 11th cousins through common ancestor Samuel Hinckley, and Bush and Palin are 10th cousins one time removed, also through Hinckley ? who, and stay with us now, was John Smith's father-in-law.



    Ancestry.com has revealed in the past that Obama is related to investor Warren Buffett and actor Brad Pitt. It has also found that Palin, the former Alaska governor and Republican vice presidential candidate, is a distant cousin of both Franklin D. Roosevelt and Princess Diana.



    The site isn't the only source of this sort of celebrity genealogy information ? in 2007, Cheney's wife, Lynne, discovered ancestral ties between former Vice President Dick Cheney and Obama while researching her book. She said the relationship was eighth cousin, though the Chicago Sun-Times traced it as ninth cousins once removed.



    And one other thing from Ancestry.com: It also found that Palin is distant cousins with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and conservative author and pundit Ann Coulter, through John Lathrop, who was exiled to the United States from England for being a pastor of an illegal independent church.



    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101013/...bama_and_palin

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  • john galtjohn galt Posts: 957member
    It would appear the blowhard gene is dominant
  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    The most ethical plutocracy in history?



    New documents uncovered by Judicial Watch show Pelosi took 85 trips on military aircraft, cost tax payers $2,100,744.59 over 2 year period



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    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and members of her family and staff took 85 tax-paid trips on military aircraft between March 2, 2009, and June 7, 2010, according to new documents uncovered by Judicial Watch.



    Pelosi's daughter, son-in-law and two grandsons were on the June 20, 2009, flight from Andrews AFB to San Francisco where Pelosi resides, according to the documents. On July 2, 2010, Pelosi took a grandson on a flight from Andrews to Travis AFB, north of San Francisco.



    Judicial Watch obtained the documents as a result of a January 25, 2009, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.



    Previous documents received by the non-profit watchdog group revealed that Pelosi's travel "cost the United States Air Force $2,100,744.59 over a two-year period — $101,429.14 of which was for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol," according to Judicial Watch.



    "For example, purchases for one Pelosi-led congressional delegation traveling from Washington, DC, through Tel Aviv, Israel to Baghdad, Iraq May 15-20, 2008 included: Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey’s Irish Crème, Maker’s Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Bacardi Light rum, Jim Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewar’s scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack Daniels whiskey, Corona beer and several bottles of wine."



    “Pelosi’s abusive use of military aircraft demonstrates a shocking lack of regard for the American taxpayer and the men and women who serve in the U.S. Air Force. Speaker Pelosi may have a frequent flyer record for taxpayer-financed luxury jet travel,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.



  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,268member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jazzguru View Post


    Race, gender, religion, sexual preference, etc. are irrelevant to me. If I feel you can get the job done the way I believe it should be done, I'll vote for you.



    Supposing this was the first white president and whites had been in chains for centuries, what then?
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