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  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    When could global warming reach 4°C?

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    This paper presents simulations of climate change with an ensemble of GCMs driven by the A1FI scenario, and also assesses the implications of carbon-cycle feedbacks for the climate-change projections. Using these GCM projections along with simple climate-model projections, including uncertainties in carbon-cycle feedbacks, and also comparing against other model projections from the IPCC, our best estimate is that the A1FI emissions scenario would lead to a warming of 4°C relative to pre-industrial during the 2070s. If carbon-cycle feedbacks are stronger, which appears less likely but still credible, then 4°C warming could be reached by the early 2060s in projections that are consistent with the IPCC?s ?likely range?.



  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Science stunner: Vast East Siberian Arctic Shelf methane stores destabilizing and venting

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    Methane release from the not-so-perma-frost is the most dangerous amplifying feedback in the entire carbon cycle. Research published in Friday?s journal Science finds a key ?lid? on ?the large sub-sea permafrost carbon reservoir? near Eastern Siberia ?is clearly perforated, and sedimentary CH4 [methane] is escaping to the atmosphere.?



    Methane Releases From Arctic Shelf May Be Much Larger and Faster Than Anticipated

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    The permafrost of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf (an area of about 2 million kilometers squared) is more porous than previously thought. The ocean on top of it and the heat from the mantle below it warm it and make it perforated like Swiss cheese. This allows methane gas stored under it under pressure to burst into the atmosphere. The amount leaking from this locale is comparable to all the methane from the rest of the world's oceans put together. Methane is a greenhouse gas more than 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide.



  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    SPECIAL REPORT: More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims - Challenge UN IPCC & Gore



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    Selected Highlights of the Updated 2010 Report featuring over 1000 international scientists dissenting from man-made climate fears:



    “We're not scientifically there yet. Despite what you may have heard in the media, there is nothing like a consensus of scientific opinion that this is a problem. Because there is natural variability in the weather, you cannot statistically know for another 150 years.” -- UN IPCC's Tom Tripp, a member of the UN IPCC since 2004 and listed as one of the lead authors and serves as the Director of Technical Services & Development for U.S. Magnesium.



    Any reasonable scientific analysis must conclude the basic theory wrong!!” -- NASA Scientist Dr. Leonard Weinstein who worked 35 years at the NASA Langley Research Center and finished his career there as a Senior Research Scientist. Weinstein, is presently a Senior Research Fellow at the National Institute of Aerospace.



    “Please remain calm: The Earth will heal itself -- Climate is beyond our power to control...Earth doesn't care about governments or their legislation. You can't find much actual global warming in present-day weather observations. Climate change is a matter of geologic time, something that the earth routinely does on its own without asking anyone's permission or explaining itself.” -- Nobel Prize-Winning Stanford University Physicist Dr. Robert B. Laughlin, who won the Nobel Prize for physics in 1998, and was formerly a research scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.



    “In essence, the jig is up. The whole thing is a fraud. And even the fraudsters that fudged data are admitting to temperature history that they used to say didn't happen...Perhaps what has doomed the Climategate fraudsters the most was their brazenness in fudging the data” -- Dr. Christopher J. Kobus, Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Oakland University, specializes in alternative energy, thermal transport phenomena, two-phase flow and fluid and thermal energy systems.



    “The energy mankind generates is so small compared to that overall energy budget that it simply cannot affect the climate...The planet's climate is doing its own thing, but we cannot pinpoint significant trends in changes to it because it dates back millions of years while the study of it began only recently. We are children of the Sun; we simply lack data to draw the proper conclusions.” -- Russian Scientist Dr. Anatoly Levitin, the head of geomagnetic variations laboratory at the Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radiowave Propagation of the Russian Academy of Sciences.



    Hundreds of billion dollars have been wasted with the attempt of imposing a Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) theory that is not supported by physical world evidences...AGW has been forcefully imposed by means of a barrage of scare stories and indoctrination that begins in the elementary school textbooks.” -- Brazilian Geologist Geraldo LuÃ*s Lino, who authored the 2009 book “The Global Warming Fraud: How a Natural Phenomenon Was Converted into a False World Emergency.”



    "I am an environmentalist,” but “I must disagree with Mr. Gore” -- Chemistry Professor Dr. Mary Mumper, the chair of the Chemistry Department at Frostburg State University in Maryland, during her presentation titled “Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide and Global Warming, the Skeptic's View.”



    “I am ashamed of what climate science has become today,” The science “community is relying on an inadequate model to blame CO2 and innocent citizens for global warming in order to generate funding and to gain attention. If this is what 'science' has become today, I, as a scientist, am ashamed...Science is too important for our society to be misused in the way it has been done within the Climate Science Community.” -- Swedish Climatologist Dr. Hans Jelbring,



    Those who call themselves 'Green planet advocates' should be arguing for a CO2- fertilized atmosphere, not a CO2-starved atmosphere...Diversity increases when the planet was warm AND had high CO2 atmospheric content...Al Gore's personal behavior supports a green planet - his enormous energy use with his 4 homes and his bizjet, does indeed help make the planet greener. Kudos, Al for doing your part to save the planet.” -- Renowned engineer and aviation/space pioneer Burt Rutan, who was named "100 most influential people in the world, 2004" by Time Magazine and Newsweek called him "the man responsible for more innovations in modern aviation than any living engineer."



    Global warming is the central tenet of this new belief system in much the same way that the Resurrection is the central tenet of Christianity. Al Gore has taken a role corresponding to that of St Paul in proselytizing the new faith...My skepticism about AGW arises from the fact that as a physicist who has worked in closely related areas, I know how poor the underlying science is. In effect the scientific method has been abandoned in this field.” -- Atmospheric Physicist Dr. John Reid, who worked with Australia's CSIRO's (Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization) Division of Oceanography and worked in surface gravity waves (ocean waves) research.



    “We maintain there is no reason whatsoever to worry about man-made climate change, because there is no evidence whatsoever that such a thing is happening.” -- Greek Earth scientists Antonis Christofides and Nikos Mamassis of the National Technical University of Athens' Department of Water Resources and Environmental Engineering.



    “There are clear cycles during which both temperature and salinity rise and fall. These cycles are related to solar activity...In my opinion and that of our institute, the problems connected to the current stage of warming are being exaggerated. What we are dealing with is not a global warming of the atmosphere or of the oceans.” -- Biologist Pavel Makarevich of the Biological Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences



    “Because the greenhouse effect is temporary rather than permanent, predictions of significant global warming in the 21st century by IPCC are not supported by the data.” -- Hebrew University Professor Dr. Michael Beenstock an honorary fellow with Institute for Economic Affairs who published a study challenging man-made global warming claims titled “Polynomial Cointegration Tests of the Anthropogenic Theory of Global Warming.”



    “The whole idea of anthropogenic global warming is completely unfounded. There appears to have been money gained by Michael Mann, Al Gore and UN IPCC's Rajendra Pachauri as a consequence of this deception, so it's fraud.” -- South African astrophysicist Hilton Ratcliffe, a member of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa (ASSA) and the Astronomical Society of the Pacific and a Fellow of the British Institute of Physics.



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  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
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    Trumptman has something to tell you, jazzguru.



    He's really angry with you.



















    You mean that someone else is reading this? Thought that this thread was heading to the abyss at the bottom of page 3. Only jg and I seemed to be posting, but since jg's post were much of the same, thought it best to stop posting, however as long as jg continues, I guess I will respond to jg's even though jg continues to ignore, comment on or debate what I post.



    Comments jg?



    Calderon on climate talks: ?As we?re squabbling, the plane is going down.?

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    In an impassioned speech, Felipe Calderon, the president of Mexico and the host of the international climate summit taking place in Cancun, called for the nations of the world to stop ?squabbling? and to work as one to halt global warming.



    An animated journey through the Earth's climate history





    Test Only Article of above interactive site.

    A journey through the Earth's climate history

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    As world leaders prepare to meet in Copenhagen to discuss climate change - how did the Earth's climate arrive at its current state and how do scientists delve into the secrets of our planet's past?



    NASA: Hottest November on record, 2010 likely hottest year on record globally ? despite deepest solar minimum in a century

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    NASA released its monthly global temperature data, revealing November was easily the hottest in the temperature record. The ?meteorological year? ? December to November ? was also the hottest on record. Calendar year 2010 appears poised to be the hottest on record.

    These records are especially impressive because we?re in the middle of a strong La Niña, which would normally cool off temperatures for a few months (relatively speaking), and we?ve been in ?the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century.? It?s just hard to stop the march of manmade global warming, other than by sharply reducing greenhouse gas emissions, that is.



  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Global weather: 2010 in running to be warmest year on record

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    If November and December temperatures stay relatively warm, 2010 could capture the record for warmest year, an early analysis shows. This year has also been marked by extreme weather events.



    Some climate scientists caution that any one year's worth of events is driven more by natural variability than by long-term warming triggered by the released of carbon dioxide from burning fossils fuel. But when 2010's extreme events are seen in that broader context, they appear to fit long-term patterns the climate models have generally projected for a climate system responding to increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.



    A range of studies have documented an increase in extreme heat events, a decrease in extreme cold events, and an increase in rainfall and snowfall intensity globally during the past 50 years, atmospheric scientist Gerald Meehl, with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, told the House Energy and Environment subcommittee last month.



    On the basis of physical principles alone, "we could expect to see just these kinds of changes in extremes in a warming climate," he testified.



    Plants flowering later on the Tibetan Plateau

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    Shorter growing season linked to warmer winters on 'the roof of the world'.

    In many regions, climate change has advanced the timing of spring events, such as flowering or the unfolding of leaves. But the meadows and steppes of the Tibetan Plateau are bucking that trend ? plants are starting to bloom later in spring, making the growing season shorter. This change could threaten the livelihood of the thousands of nomads who survive by raising cattle on the plateau.



  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Veron: The end is in sight for the world?s coral reefs

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    Reefs are the ocean?s canaries and we must hear their call. This call is not just for themselves, for the other great ecosystems of the ocean stand behind reefs like a row of dominoes. If coral reefs fail, the rest will follow in rapid succession, and the Sixth Mass Extinction will be upon us ? and will be of our making.



    When J.E.N. Veron speaks, we all should listen.* Veron is the former chief scientist of the Australian Institute of Marine Science.* He is principal author of 8 monographs and more than 70 scientific articles on the taxonomy, systematics, biogeography, and the fossil record of corals. His books include the three-volume Corals of the World and A Reef in Time: The Great Barrier Reef from Beginning to End (2008).* His research has taken him to all the major coral reef regions of the world during 66 expeditions.



    Bangladesh Minister responds to GOP deniers: ?We are struggling with the impacts of climate change? from ?desertification? to ?more devastating floods?

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    In an exclusive interview, Dr. Hasan Mahmud, Bangladesh?s State Minister for Environment and Forests and a PhD environmental scientist, told Wonk Room?s Brad Johnson that the Republican view of the world was dangerously false:



    According to our findings, and according to the reality ? what we are observing, what we are encountering, we are facing ? that is, we are struggling with the impacts of climate change in Bangladesh. There is salinity intrusion, increased natural calamities that is a symptom of desertification in the northern part of Bangladesh, there is more frequent and more devastating floods, and erratic rainfall. All of these are negative impacts of climate change. In Bangladesh, this is very much visible, and we are encountering and facing the problem. I don?t know about the United States and how ? In Bangladesh, this is the reality.



  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    David Rose destroys his credibility and the Daily Mail?s with error-riddled climate science reporting

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    David Rose?s climate science writing shows he has not learned from previous mistakes

    Articles in the Daily Mail show the same uncritical reliance on dodgy sources that caused David Rose?s catastrophic mistakes about Iraq.



    The truthiness of Proofiness: Charles Seife?s new book gets it wrong on Gore and the media laps it up

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    In any case, Seife got it quite wrong and those reviewing the book didn?t bother to spend even a few seconds online to get the facts straight.

    Hmm.* I thought there was a word for when you believe something that isn?t true but that you want to be true:



    Although Seife never says so explicitly, the book?s title alludes to ?truthiness? ? the Word of the Year in 2005, according to the American Dialect Society, which defined it as ?the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true.?

    Yes, irony can be so ironic.



  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    The geologic record shows no relationship between temperature and CO2:







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  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    The hockey stick lives! Recent global warming is unprecedented in magnitude and speed and cause.

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    The rate of human-driven warming in the last century has exceeded the rate of the underlying natural trend by more than a factor of 10, possibly much more. And warming this century on our current path of unrestricted greenhouse gas emissions is projected to cause a rate of warming that is another factor of 5 or more greater than that of the last century. We are punching the climate beast ? and she ain?t happy about it!



  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member


    Lonnie Thompson on why climatologists are speaking out: ?Virtually all of us are now convinced that global warming poses a clear and present danger to civilization?

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    That bold statement may seem like hyperbole, but there is now a very clear pattern in the scientific evidence documenting that the earth is warming, that warming is due largely to human activity, that warming is causing important changes in climate, and that rapid and potentially catastrophic changes in the near future are very possible.



    Climate Change: The Evidence and Our Options

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    Glaciers serve as early indicators of climate change. Over the last 35 years, our research team has recovered ice-core records of climatic and environmental variations from the polar regions and from low-latitude high-elevation ice fields from 16 countries. The ongoing widespread melting of high-elevation glaciers and ice caps, particularly in low to middle latitudes, provides some of the strongest evidence to date that a large-scale, pervasive, and, in some cases, rapid change in Earth?s climate system is underway. This paper highlights observations of 20th and 21st century glacier shrinkage in the Andes, the Himalayas, and on Mount Kilimanjaro. Ice cores retrieved from shrinking glaciers around the world confirm their continuous existence for periods ranging from hundreds of years to multiple millennia, suggesting that climatological conditions that dominate those regions today are different from those under which these ice fields originally accumulated and have been sustained. The current warming is therefore unusual when viewed from the millennial perspective provided by multiple lines of proxy evidence and the 160-year record of direct temperature measurements. Despite all this evidence, plus the well-documented continual increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, societies have taken little action to address this global-scale problem. Hence, the rate of global carbon dioxide emissions continues to accelerate. As a result of our inaction, we have three options: mitigation, adaptation, and suffering.



  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
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    The geologic record shows no relationship between temperature and CO2:







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    NOAA stunner: Climate change ?largely irreversible for 1000 years,? with permanent Dust Bowls in Southwest and around the globe

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    Important new research led by NOAA scientists, ?Irreversible climate change because of carbon dioxide emissions,? finds:



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    ?the climate change that is taking place because of increases in carbon dioxide concentration is largely irreversible for 1,000 years after emissions stop?. Among illustrative irreversible impacts that should be expected if atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations increase from current levels near 385 parts per million by volume (ppmv) to a peak of 450-600 ppmv over the coming century are irreversible dry-season rainfall reductions in several regions comparable to those of the ?dust bowl? era and inexorable sea level rise



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  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member


    YOUR CLAIM IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THESE FACTS:



    2010: probably the hottest year ever recorded

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    2010 was the year of the heatwave, with record temperatures set in 17 countries. Two leading groups of scientists say it was the warmest since records began in 1850; another suggests it was the second-warmest.



    But the year that saw an unprecedented month-long heatwave in Russia will be followed by cooler global temperatures in 2011, say climate scientists monitoring sea temperatures in the Pacific that are thought to determine temperatures around the world.



    The final ranking of 2010 will not become clear until November and December data are available in early 2011, but November global temperatures are similar to those observed in November 2005, suggesting 2010 is on track for near-record levels.



    This decade also proved to be the hottest on record, with temperatures averaging 0.46C above the 1961-90 average, 0.03C above the 2000-09 mean and the highest value yet recorded for a 10-year period.



    The Russian heatwave, which saw temperatures in Moscow nearly 15C above normal for a month, led to thousands of deaths as well as forest fires across a wide region. But the heatwave extended across the Middle East, and northern India, devastating harvests and leading to food shortages.



    Previous temperature records tumbled in 17 countries including Russia, Ukraine, Finland, Chad, Kuwait, Burma, Sudan, Niger and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan had Asia's hottest-ever recorded day when the temperature in the abandoned city of Mohenjo-daro in Sindh province reached 53.5C.



    The most extreme temperature anomalies in 2010 occurred across most of Canada and Greenland, where annual temperatures were 3C or more above normal, and across much of Africa and south Asia, where annual temperatures were 1-3C above normal.



    Guinea, in west Africa, was the only country in the world to have recorded a record low temperature in 2010, but says the World Meteorological Organisation, below-normal temperatures were recorded in Siberia, parts of South America, interior Australia and the south-east United States.



    Britain, Germany, France and Norway all had their coolest years since 1996 due mainly to below-normal temperatures during the winter.



    This was also the year that CO2 levels in the atmosphere bounced back after a slight fall caused the previous year's recession in 2009.



    Data will not be complete for several weeks, but according to monitoring stations in Hawaii and Norway, levels were on course to grow slightly on record 2008 levels.



  • jazzgurujazzguru Posts: 6,435member
    Bering Sea Was Ice-Free and Full of Life During Last Warm Period



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    Deep sediment cores retrieved from the Bering Sea floor indicate that the region was ice-free all year and biological productivity was high during the last major warm period in Earth's climate history.



    Christina Ravelo, professor of ocean sciences at the University of California, Santa Cruz, will present the new findings in a talk on December 13 at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) in San Francisco. Ravelo and co-chief scientist Kozo Takahashi of Kyushu University, Japan, led a nine-week expedition of the Integrated Ocean Drilling Program (IODP) to the Bering Sea last summer aboard the research vessel JOIDES Resolution. The researchers drilled down 700 meters through rock and sludge to retrieve sediments deposited during the Pliocene Warm Period, 3.5 to 4.5 million years ago.



    "Evidence from the Pliocene Warm Period is relevant to studies of current climate change because it was the last time in our Earth's history when global temperatures were higher than today," Ravelo said.



  • segoviussegovius Posts: 9,872member
    Pops head round door...rushes back out again...



    What the fuck is going on in there......yikes!
  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
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    Pops head round door...rushes back out again...



    What the fuck is going on in there......yikes!



    SOS.......thought that this thread was going to die, but jg just keeps posting.....so I feel that someone has to answer the DENIER.

  • finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Leaked email reveals Fox News boss Bill Sammon ordered staff to cast doubt on climate science



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    From: Sammon, Bill

    To: 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 036 -FOX.WHU; 054 -FNSunday; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com); 050 -Senior Producers; 051 -Producers; 069 -Politics; 005 -Washington

    Cc: Clemente, Michael; Stack, John; Wallace, Jay; Smith, Sean

    Sent: Tue Dec 08 12:49:51 2009

    Subject: Given the controversy over the veracity of climate change data?



    ?we should refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question. It is not our place as journalists to assert such notions as facts, especially as this debate intensifies.



    This morning, MediaMatters released the bombshell e-mail ?sent by Fox News Washington managing editor Bill Sammon ? less than 15 minutes after Fox correspondent Wendell Goler accurately reported on-air that the United Nations? World Meteorological Organization announced that 2000-2009 was ?on track to be the warmest [decade] on record.? ?



    Well, okay, this would be a bombshell email coming from any other news organization in the world (see Howell Raines: ?Why has our profession ? helped Fox legitimize a style of journalism that is dishonest in its intellectual process, untrustworthy in its conclusions and biased in its gestalt??) So maybe the only bombshell is that Sammon was foolish enough to put this egregious Fox News policy into an email.



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