Obama Releases "Birth Certificate"

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  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,299member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marvfox View Post


    Let it rest already.This is nonsense that the birthers started.Trump just took the role over from them and now he looks like an asshole when Obama proved his was born in the United States.There are many more important things than this such as jobs, deficits rising,wars,the economy and more.



    Yes and we should really as a people question why the media prefers to focus on the birth place routine rather than all those negatives.



    It's pretty simple. When they are addressing the birth place issue they can lambast the president's critics and ignore all the real problems. They do this because instead of being news organizations, they are presidential cheerleaders.



    I go to CNN.com this morning on the day after this event and here are the top political stories.
    • Marginalizing president didn't start with Obama

    • Trump: 'Our leader is incompetent'

    • See Obama's birth certificate

    • Is the 'birther' debate finally over?

    • How Congress wrecked the budget

    Top 5 from ABC
    • Trump, in N.H., Declares Birth Certificate Victory

    • Obama Talks 'Birthers' with Oprah

    • The Case Against Petraeus

    • Since Obama Released His Birth Certificate, Will Trump Release His Tax Returns?

    • GOP's Fringe Out in Front

    Top 5 at CBS

    ?The birther controversy: Who's to blame?

    ?United Nations fails to unite on Syria violence

    ?Schieffer: Racism underlying Trump's assertions

    ?Family of doctor who delivered Obama "honored"

    ?Report: Pelosi faced shooting threat last year



    MSNBC
    • Publisher of upcoming 'birther' book makes no apologies

    • Obama goes to NYC for money, Chicago for Oprah

    • Analysis: Obama had no choice in 'birther' fight

    • Obama puts new national security team in place

    • Push for Pentagon cuts tops Panetta's agenda

    Fox News
    • Gas Prices, Bad Weather Slow Economy in First Quarter

    • Obama Prepares to Announce New National Security Team

    • 'Birther' Coverage Not Dominant, Study Says

    • Clock Ticking, Congress Poised to Resume Debate on Libya Intervention

    • Obama Prepares to Announce New National Security Team

    Top political news at that evil supposedly biased Fox News? The economy and the many aspects of it that are bad. What are the others covering? Republicans and how they are racist, extremists and violent.



    Like most things Democrats complain about, the real cause of birtherism is liberals, their worldview and their own biases. The media desperately desires to focus on something other than the economy because it has been terrible for the entire Obama presidency and now trillions in "stimulus" have not altered that fact. So what can they use for news since the only real news out there is all terrible for the president and the Democratic Party? Simple, you keep running with your biases and generating news to reinforce your echo chamber.



    Birtherism, it isn't a Republican problem. It is a sad reflection of liberal media organizations and how they cover their biases rather than the news.
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    Yes and we should really as a people question why the media prefers to focus on the birth place routine rather than all those negatives.



    It's pretty simple. When they are addressing the birth place issue they can lambast the president's critics and ignore all the real problems. They do this because instead of being news organizations, they are presidential cheerleaders.



    I go to CNN.com this morning on the day after this event and here are the top political stories.
    • Marginalizing president didn't start with Obama

    • Trump: 'Our leader is incompetent'

    • See Obama's birth certificate

    • Is the 'birther' debate finally over?

    • How Congress wrecked the budget

    Top 5 from ABC
    • Trump, in N.H., Declares Birth Certificate Victory

    • Obama Talks 'Birthers' with Oprah

    • The Case Against Petraeus

    • Since Obama Released His Birth Certificate, Will Trump Release His Tax Returns?

    • GOP's Fringe Out in Front

    Top 5 at CBS

    ?The birther controversy: Who's to blame?

    ?United Nations fails to unite on Syria violence

    ?Schieffer: Racism underlying Trump's assertions

    ?Family of doctor who delivered Obama "honored"

    ?Report: Pelosi faced shooting threat last year



    MSNBC
    • Publisher of upcoming 'birther' book makes no apologies

    • Obama goes to NYC for money, Chicago for Oprah

    • Analysis: Obama had no choice in 'birther' fight

    • Obama puts new national security team in place

    • Push for Pentagon cuts tops Panetta's agenda

    Fox News
    • Gas Prices, Bad Weather Slow Economy in First Quarter

    • Obama Prepares to Announce New National Security Team

    • 'Birther' Coverage Not Dominant, Study Says

    • Clock Ticking, Congress Poised to Resume Debate on Libya Intervention

    • Obama Prepares to Announce New National Security Team

    Top political news at that evil supposedly biased Fox News? The economy and the many aspects of it that are bad. What are the others covering? Republicans and how they are racist, extremists and violent.



    Like most things Democrats complain about, the real cause of birtherism is liberals, their worldview and their own biases. The media desperately desires to focus on something other than the economy because it has been terrible for the entire Obama presidency and now trillions in "stimulus" have not altered that fact. So what can they use for news since the only real news out there is all terrible for the president and the Democratic Party? Simple, you keep running with your biases and generating news to reinforce your echo chamber.



    Birtherism, it isn't a Republican problem. It is a sad reflection of liberal media organizations and how they cover their biases rather than the news.



    Try the Guardian. There's no mention of Obama's roots on the front page-



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  • sammi josammi jo Posts: 4,634member
    Hawaii should release Obama's birth certificate for a no-holds barred, *independent* (ie non-government, non-White House influenced) scientifically rigorous, forensic investigation, with no secrecy and true transparency. (Obviously, good science is unlikely (or even impossible) be when part of the government investigates another part of the government).



    Obama holds the worlds most visible office. His eligibility to hold that office should be held to the same degree of importance as the job itself. Submitting that certificate should not be any problem for him, if it is genuine and untampered. He has nothing to lose, except the doubt still held by a large segment of the population.



    Donald Trump, who a week or two ago claimed that "he had information that the US public will be shocked by" as regards Obama's birth certificate has proven himself little other than a pompous, opportunist charlatan, taking "credit" for this latest turn of events when he should be eating crow.
  • brbr Posts: 8,313member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mumbo Jumbo View Post


    Well, it is official.



    Right wing America is trivia-obssessed and hysterical and an embarrassment to the kind of political discourse that makes progress and solutions possible.



    That's the only possible interpretation to be made from this abject, depressing, ingenuous and rhetorically damaged string of sheepshit pretending to be a thread.



    Official. (Again.)



    rAmen.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,299member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    Try the Guardian. There's no mention of Obama's roots on the front page-



    The Guardian likely wouldn't be considered part of the liberal media complex here in America trying to protect President Obama.



    The point remains, if Republicans are not considered to be those watching these liberal media sources, why are those sources spending all this time continually bringing up and revisiting the birth place of President Obama rather than cover real news?



    If the news stations were catering to the biases of their viewers as presented on here, Fox News would be the 24/7 where the hell was Obama born channel? Meanwhile CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC would be completely ignoring the matter like they have dozens of others.



    Yet that isn't at all what is happening. It is quite the opposite which means that birtherism isn't a conservative concern or newsworthy cause but more like a issue that the liberal media complex can use to to constantly revisit and pointificate about how racist and violent the right side of the aisle happens to be.



    The real news is the economy, entitlements, government spending, the cost of gas, tornadoes, etc. If someone really wanted to investigate some news right now, they should be asking why Obama is fundraising and going on Oprah when states are having massive carnage from natural disasters.



    This isn't Bush doing a fly over on Katrina. This is Obama pocketing cash and visiting media allies while people are suffering.
  • brbr Posts: 8,313member
    John Scalzi of whatever.scalzi.com again puts it very well:



    Quote:

    Obama’s Birth Certificate: It’s times like these that one has to make a conscious act of will to remember that in fact Americans are not getting stupider, they’ve always believed idiotic things about the politicians they hate. Believing that Obama was not born in the US long ago got placed on my list of Things That Suggest You May Be a Willful Moron, along with believing in horoscopes, being against immunizations, arguing against evolution and thinking 9/11 was an inside job (note: this is not a complete list), so it’s not entirely surprising to me that the President releasing the long-form birth certificate doesn’t satisfy the birthers at all. Morons can’t help being morons; most of them like being morons. Also, there’s money (and/or votes) to be had continuing to argue to other morons that you’re right in the face of all reasonable evidence.



    The best you can say about it is that if you ever believed Obama was not a US citizen, you might have been a moron, but if you still believe it, well, now you’re definitely an ultra moron. So well done you. Honestly, people who are unhappy with the president have lots of genuine and legitimate reasons to be be unhappy with him. Focusing on his birth just indicates your inherent ridiculousness and unseriousness.



  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,331member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    Quote before Obama releases birth certificate-



    SDW2001-



    "As for the "birther" thing: I think there is a lot more to that. Don't get me wrong..I've seen no definitive evidence of him being born in Kenya. That said, I've seen some anecdotal evidence to that point. I'm also starting to wonder lately: If this debate is really so insanely stupid, why not just release the birth certificate everyone claims exists? Recent polling suggests a very significant number of Americans believe he's not a natural-born citizen. Why not end the debate and make the birthers look like fools once and for all? As I said, right now I accept that he IS natural-born citizen, but I do wonder."

    ~ http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=121135



    Quote after Obama releases birth certificate-



    SDW2001-



    "And as I've stated, there are still questions that are not answered. These seem simple questions, the answers to which would be simple to provide and effective and shutting down the entire issue. It frankly amazes me that the media won't ask these questions about the the man who holds the most powerful office in the world. There are discrepancies in his personal background that doesn't even have to refuse to answer, because the questions are never pushed in the first place.

    Anyone who refuses to address or even ASK these questions is either a partisan hack, in denial, or perhaps not very smart. Here are some of these questions:



    1. Where is the "actual" birth certificate? If not available, why not just state that?

    2. How does one explain the fact that the name "Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital" wasn't used until 1978?

    3. What about the subtle differences described here? http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-bi...e-is-a-forgery. Infowars is hardly right-wing."



    To answer your question, nothing will stop the endless conspiracy theories. A new one is born every minute of every day.





    That's not true. There are serious problems with what was released. It's not an actual birth certificate. A copy of the ACTUAL birth certificate (not the long form abstract) would end this, providing that it looked credible and didn't have suspect items on it. This document has multiple problems with it. That's why it's not over.



    And despite all the problems with the document, people like you are still running around screaming "shut up you ignoramus! It s real! Nothing will satisfy you! Let's move on!" People like you did the same thing in 2004 when CBS ran the Bush/National Guard story. And yet people the people saying "hey, wait a minute..." are the kooks. Right.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,331member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sammi jo View Post


    Hawaii should release Obama's birth certificate for a no-holds barred, *independent* (ie non-government, non-White House influenced) scientifically rigorous, forensic investigation, with no secrecy and true transparency. (Obviously, good science is unlikely (or even impossible) be when part of the government investigates another part of the government).



    Obama holds the worlds most visible office. His eligibility to hold that office should be held to the same degree of importance as the job itself. Submitting that certificate should not be any problem for him, if it is genuine and untampered. He has nothing to lose, except the doubt still held by a large segment of the population.



    Donald Trump, who a week or two ago claimed that "he had information that the US public will be shocked by" as regards Obama's birth certificate has proven himself little other than a pompous, opportunist charlatan, taking "credit" for this latest turn of events when he should be eating crow.



    Holy crap. We agree on something. Maybe two things.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,331member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BR View Post


    John Scalzi of whatever.scalzi.com again puts it very well:



    Yes, yes...true enlightened thinkers ignore any and all questions about their beliefs.
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    That's not true. There are serious problems with what was released. It's not an actual birth certificate. A copy of the ACTUAL birth certificate (not the long form abstract) would end this, providing that it looked credible and didn't have suspect items on it. This document has multiple problems with it. That's why it's not over.



    And despite all the problems with the document, people like you are still running around screaming "shut up you ignoramus! It s real! Nothing will satisfy you! Let's move on!" People like you did the same thing in 2004 when CBS ran the Bush/National Guard story. And yet people the people saying "hey, wait a minute..." are the kooks. Right.



    What's the title of this thread you started?



    I personally think that nothing less than Obama resigning and handing himself over to homeland security would satisfy the kooks.



    Obama: Illegal alien, born in Kenya and an extremist Muslim terrorist, hired and shaped by the CIA to destroy America as part of a globalist plot to bring America down to the standard of living of all other countries and to strip Americans of their individual sense of identity.
  • noahjnoahj Posts: 4,500member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    What's the title of this thread you started?



    I personally think that nothing less than Obama resigning and handing himself over to homeland security would satisfy the kooks.



    Obama: Illegal alien, born in Kenya and an extremist Muslim terrorist, hired and shaped by the CIA to destroy America as part of a globalist plot to bring America down to the standard of living of all other countries and to strip Americans of their individual sense of identity.



    This is where Tonton should swing in and rant on Hyperbole. There is no possible middle ground in your views of others is there?
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NoahJ View Post


    This is where Tonton should swing in and rant on Hyperbole. There is no possible middle ground in your views of others is there?



    NoahJ it's great to know that everything I say can be taken out of context and twisted to be used against me, but I don't think I need as many reminders from you. Thanks all the same.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,299member
    Looks like some other folks are starting to catch on.



    DailyCaller.com




    Quote:

    Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank questioned Obama?s swift jump into the birther story, too, and points out that NBC opted to go live with the president?s birth certificate statements only because it had previously expected a national security announcement.



    ?Instead, Obama decided to draw the nation?s attention to the conspiracy theory suggesting that he was not born in America,? Milbank wrote. ?He was stooping to address this oft-disproved canard, he said, because the media had turned it into the nation?s No. 1 news story.?



    Former deputy White House press secretary Scott Stanzel told The Daily Caller that the document?s release and Obama?s appearance in the White House briefing room to talk about it only elevated the story. His appearance on Oprah shortly thereafter made the story even bigger, and then he joked about the conspiracy theory at 2012 campaign fundraisers Wednesday night.



    ?President Obama said he?d made this decision a couple weeks ago,? Stanzel said. ?I don?t understand why it takes two weeks to produce the document. In my view, the White House generally doesn?t try to release news in a haphazard way. Having the president of the United States show up in the press briefing room like this, they had to know it would be front page news.?



    New York Times pollster Nate Silver said, too, that the White House probably isn?t complaining about the boom in birther coverage since it has shielded Obama from other, more important issues. ?Lots of mediocre polling and economic numbers for Obama today,? Silver tweeted. ?I don?t think he?d protest if media devoted another 72 hrs to birther crap.?



    If that was the White House strategy, it appears to be working. A quick sweep of the front-page headlines of major U.S. newspapers Thursday revealed little coverage of Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke?s first-ever press conference. Also, the birth certificate release topped the Fed presser in many newspapers that gave front-page attention to it.



    The only major national newspaper that didn?t run a front-page story about Obama?s long-form birth certificate release on Thursday morning was the Wall Street Journal.




    This is a liberal media distraction and is being used to avoid not just real news, but really, really bad news for President Obama.
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    Looks like some other folks are starting to catch on.



    DailyCaller.com








    This is a liberal media distraction and is being used to avoid not just real news, but really, really bad news for President Obama.



    The thing is, so many repubs believed it. That's what's made this shit happen and the likes of Fox News have been the platform for these nut job conspiracy theories, indeed they've wanted to stir it up.



    Here's SDW2001 again-



    "I'm also starting to wonder lately: If this debate is really so insanely stupid, why not just release the birth certificate everyone claims exists? Recent polling suggests a very significant number of Americans believe he's not a natural-born citizen."



    ...and followed by the now infamous-



    "Why not end the debate and make the birthers look like fools once and for all?"



    Donald Trump, leading contender for the Republican nominee for POTUS, makes it the main focus of his trivial Trumpomination TV appearances, hoping to hawl in more suckers, so Obama splats him like an annoying fly and now, guess what, it's all that bad Kenyan's fault.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,299member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    The thing is, so many repubs believed it. That's what's made this shit happen and the likes of Fox News have been the platform for these nut job conspiracy theories, indeed they've wanted to stir it up.



    Many people were interested in it. Many MORE people are interested in not having the nation go backrupt and perhaps also in being employed.



    I've noted on here a half-dozen times the start of this all had nothing to do with Fox News. It was the NY Times dropping the fact that McCain might not be eligible right after he was the presumed nominee but literally days before the final election that locked him in as the nominee. I defy anyone to find an attempt to go into Obama's birthplace and eligibility before the date of that article. That started it all by wondering whether McCain was eligible due to having been born in the U.S. controlled Panama canal.



    As for the tit for tat up until the election, I see that as justified. It's politics. It happens on both sides and it is a legitimate concern up until that point.



    Quote:

    Donald Trump, leading contender for the Republican nominee for POTUS, makes it the main focus of his trivial Trumpomination TV appearances, hoping to hawl in more suckers, so Obama splats him like an annoying fly and now, guess what, it's all that bad Kenyan's fault.



    Trump is part of the same nonsense. Regardless of what a poll may or may not show, no one who is registered Republican and is the base is going to show up and vote for him in all these primaries. The man is a blank slate right now, much like how Obama was at first. Only while Obama clearly went through a lot of trouble to hide his past, Trump has no such luxury and is on the record saying plenty of idiotic things to boot.



    President Obama has a record. You don't even have to go to Hawaii to get it. It is called how he has run the country and when the elections come up and people ask themselves about his term, they won't need a conspiracy theory or anything else to vote no and have it be well justified.
  • noahjnoahj Posts: 4,500member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    NoahJ it's great to know that everything I say can be taken out of context and twisted to be used against me, but I don't think I need as many reminders from you. Thanks all the same.



    Stop posting it and I will stop pointing it out. Perhaps if your brush were not so broad you wouldn't get the splashing issues you do...
  • brbr Posts: 8,313member




    From the wonderful daily index card musings at Indexed
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member
    Is it a bird?



    Is it a plane?



    No, it's a scary foreigner, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!



    "After years of declaring he stood for "truth, justice and the American way," Superman has provoked the ire of rightwingers by threatening to renouce his US citizenship.



    In the latest issue of Action Comics, which went on sale on Wednesday, the Man of Steel decides to take the step after he intervenes in a protest against the Iranian government.



    After the Islamic regime brands his non-violent protest as an act of war taken on behalf of the US president, the DC comic hero says he will renounce his citizenship before the United Nations."

    ~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011...us-citizenship
  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post


    Obama actively encouraged this whole ordeal by not releasing this two years ago.



    Why 2 years ago?
  • noahjnoahj Posts: 4,500member
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    Originally Posted by BR View Post


    http://i.imgur.com/vjXTS.jpg



    From the wonderful daily index card musings at Indexed



    Like most things, it has a kernel of truth to it.
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