Launch of Apple's iCloud predicted to cause 'collateral damage' on RIM

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  • see flatsee flat Posts: 145member
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    Originally Posted by talkshowonmute View Post


    I have mobile me right now and Im just wondering if they are replacing mobile me what it means for the email, and web hosting capabilities the service currently has.

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    it would be totally awesome if they changed the emails back to @mac.com



    ".mac" never stopped working. You didnt have to change to "me.com"
  • aaarrrggghaaarrrgggh Posts: 1,525member
    I sure hope they can make iCloud into more of a SalesForce alternative than just online music storage... If that is all it is, what benefit does it really offer developers?
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 40,401member
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    ".mac" never stopped working. You didnt have to change to "me.com"



    Unless he came in after the change had happened...
  • jvolinojvolino Posts: 25member
    How would iCloud do any more than MobileMe does today to remove a traffic burden in terms of maintaining email accounts and sync'ing contacts/calendars? If anything, the carriers are going to see traffic increase dramatically as people stream more stuff over it instead of playing media directly from their device! The "analysis" should have never passed through AppleInsider's 30 sec. editorial process.
  • jazzkaurjazzkaur Posts: 2member
    RIM should just die. They have been doing almost no innovations in the mobile industry from past few years.
  • esummersesummers Posts: 871member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by talkshowonmute View Post


    I have mobile me right now and Im just wondering if they are replacing mobile me what it means for the email, and web hosting capabilities the service currently has.

    \



    it would be totally awesome if they changed the emails back to @mac.com



    Just as long as it isn't cloud.com.
  • stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
    Well, let's hope Apple doesn't start supporting email addresses for @mac.com, @me.com, @icloud.com. That's just too confusing.
  • stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
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    Originally Posted by jazzkaur View Post


    RIM should just die. They have been doing almost no innovations in the mobile industry from past few years.



    So anyone who doesn't innovate should die? That would have included Apple just a bit over 10 years ago. Imagine if it wasn't given a chance to turn around? RIM is in way better shape than Apple before Jobs' return.



    Even if one's an Apple fanboy, there's no benefit to seeing one of its competitors fade completely. Competition is good for ALL of us. Any intelligent person would want to see RIM right its ship, become competitive again and push Apple and Google to do better. There is no better landscape than one which is highly competitive.
  • addicted44addicted44 Posts: 813member
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    So anyone who doesn't innovate should die? That would have included Apple just a bit over 10 years ago. Imagine if it wasn't given a chance to turn around? RIM is in way better shape than Apple before Jobs' return.



    Even if one's an Apple fanboy, there's no benefit to seeing one of its competitors fade completely. Competition is good for ALL of us. Any intelligent person would want to see RIM right its ship, become competitive again and push Apple and Google to do better. There is no better landscape than one which is highly competitive.



    Agreed.



    Additionally, RIM is NOT going to just die. They have some incredible moats which will be hard to break down.



    1) Extremely popular in India/China, where people might not be willing to pay for expensive data services.

    2) BES is still the industry standard. This is not going to change easily in the Enterprise.

    3) BBM is still extremely popular, and its hard to switch away from it.



    Not that this is sufficient to keep them afloat, but it gives them enough time to try and turn things around. Besides, unlike most in the Android camp (except HTC) RIM is still making profits with their mobile efforts.
  • adonissmuadonissmu Posts: 1,723member
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    Well, let's hope Apple doesn't start supporting email addresses for @mac.com, @me.com, @icloud.com. That's just too confusing.



    I'd rather have a @mac or @iCloud account. I don't like the @me for some reason...
  • adonissmuadonissmu Posts: 1,723member
    Yeah I know people who swear by their black berry. However, push streaming sounds kinda HOT. I hope Apple takes this far.
  • wigginwiggin Posts: 2,068member
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    Originally Posted by jvolino View Post


    How would iCloud do any more than MobileMe does today to remove a traffic burden in terms of maintaining email accounts and sync'ing contacts/calendars? If anything, the carriers are going to see traffic increase dramatically as people stream more stuff over it instead of playing media directly from their device! The "analysis" should have never passed through AppleInsider's 30 sec. editorial process.



    I was wondering the same thing. Exactly what is being "offloaded" from the carriers? This is going to lead to far more carrier traffic, not less. Add on tiered pricing structures for bandwidth and the carriers stand to to make a bundle off our iClound usage.
  • wovelwovel Posts: 953member
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    Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post


    Agreed.



    Additionally, RIM is NOT going to just die. They have some incredible moats which will be hard to break down.



    1) Extremely popular in India/China, where people might not be willing to pay for expensive data services.

    2) BES is still the industry standard. This is not going to change easily in the Enterprise.

    3) BBM is still extremely popular, and its hard to switch away from it.



    Not that this is sufficient to keep them afloat, but it gives them enough time to try and turn things around. Besides, unlike most in the Android camp (except HTC) RIM is still making profits with their mobile efforts.



    Actually if ActiveSynch is not already the Defacto standard for Enterprise email synch, it will be within 12 months. It is getting hard to find companies that have more users on BES than Activesynch.



    Perhaps BBM is popular in your company, but iI have worked with at least 25 of the fortune 100 in the past 3-4 years and not one of them is using BBM.



    People have a lot of convoluted reasons why RIM won't die. Unfortunately for RIM, none of them are valid. RIM will either do something dramatically different in the next 18 months or they will not exist in 5 years.
  • stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
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    Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post


    I'd rather have a @mac or @iCloud account. I don't like the @me for some reason...



    Especially if your email address is RIGHTBACK, POKEFUN, THROWSTONES ...
  • stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
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    Originally Posted by Wovel View Post


    Actually if ActiveSynch is not already the Defacto standard for Enterprise email synch, it will be within 12 months. It is getting hard to find companies that have more users on BES than Activesynch.



    How hard have you been searching?



    Quote:

    Perhaps BBM is popular in your company, but iI have worked with at least 25 of the fortune 100 in the past 3-4 years and not one of them is using BBM.



    BBM is quite popular amongst teenagers.



    Quote:

    People have a lot of convoluted reasons why RIM won't die. Unfortunately for RIM, none of them are valid. RIM will either do something dramatically different in the next 18 months or they will not exist in 5 years.



    "None of them are valid." Just like that, without a single reason, you have dismissed every convoluted reason? Your debating skills are woefully inadequate, Wovel.
  • lifelonglifelong Posts: 7member
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    So your claim to expertise is that you can't hold down a job? BBM is quite popular amongst teenagers.




    Have you ever heard of a consultant?
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 40,401member
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    Have you ever heard of a consultant? No? [REDACTED]



    Welcome to the forums. We don't insult others here.
  • bloodstainsbloodstains Posts: 82member
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    Welcome to the forums. We don't insult others here.



    Oh, I see...



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    So your claim to expertise is that you can't hold down a job?



    ...but passive agressive insults are OK.
  • mikep123mikep123 Posts: 31member
    So, will I need the dock anymore for my iPhone/iPod except for convenient charging? In addition to whatever else it does, it sounds like iCloud may effectively be the wireless syncing people have wanted or am I missing something?
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 40,401member
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    So, will I need the dock anymore for my iPhone/iPod except for convenient charging? In addition to whatever else it does, it sounds like iCloud may effectively be the wireless syncing people have wanted or am I missing something?



    You're missing that we know nothing about it yet, so you shouldn't get your hopes up.
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