Adobe confirms it will no longer develop Flash for mobile browsers

2456789

Comments

  • jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,268member
    Steve: 1, Adobe: 0
  • sipadansipadan Posts: 107member
    No, don't go Flash, we love you!!!
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,891member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post


    Steve: 1, Adobe: 0



    Seems to me that a company that only exists because of one guy's idea to make a bitmap personal computer would listen to that guy when he says that company's being an idiot.



    Like back when they wouldn't port CS to Mac OS 8, 9, and Rhapsody. Or even OS X at the beginning.



    Plus all the stuff Adobe took from MacDraw super early on. Marching ants and all that jazz.
  • mcmachmcmach Posts: 8member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post






    Great!!!!!
  • cvaldes1831cvaldes1831 Posts: 1,832member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by eksodos View Post


    This is terrible news for savvy consumers who want the full web experience on their mobile devices.



    This is great news for savvy consumers who want the full web experience on their mobile devices who also care about battery life.
  • shompashompa Posts: 338member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post


    Gruber:



    Apple didn?t win. Everybody won. Flash hasn?t been superseded in mobile by any sort of Apple technology. It?s been superseded by truly open web technologies. Dumping Flash will make Android better, it will make BlackBerrys better, it will make the entire web better. iOS users have been benefitting from this ever since day one, in June 2007.



    http://daringfireball.net/linked/201...everybody-wins



    Apple never have champion its own "technology". Apple is about open, industry standards like OpenGL, H264 and HTML5.



    The infrastructure around it devices can be closed (like iPhone/iTunes), but the phones support open standards like HTML5. Anyone can create a program in HTML5 and run it on iOS devices.



    So what is more opened? An "open" standard like Windows that uses DirectX or a closed standard that uses industry standards that works on every computer? (OpenGL)
  • karmadavekarmadave Posts: 215member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ddawson100 View Post


    Steve Jobs made a fantastic decision. It's the same reason Java apps aren't ever going to be installed on a mobile platform either. You don't want another runtime on top of your OS. It just adds complexity and, of course, it's going to have some overhead for support. I think the fight was in large part about keeping (bringing!) developers in the iOS fold.



    While I agree that SJ was 100% right on the Flash issue, it is NOT that case that Java apps don't/won't run on mobile devices. Java is the development AND runtime environment for applications on both Blackberry and Android. RIM pays Oracle a license on every handset running the Java RTE while Google chose to develop their own Java-derived version called Davlik. Hence the Oracle lawsuit against Google



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_OS

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine



    Apple chose not to go the Java route as they prefer to control the entire user experience. While this may provide positive benefits for users of IOS devices, it makes things slightly more complicated for developers.
  • paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,056member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post


    Too bad he didn't get to see this day. It would have been interesting to hear what he would have had to say.



    I am sure he already knew, like did most of us. To have a Flash enabled phone or tablet device is a pretty hollow trump card from what I hear.



    More importantly, this announcement will signal the point ever louder that including Flash content, or developing your site fully, or largely, using Flash is a very bad idea if you want your site viewable to the millions of handheld device surfers.



    How long before Flash on the web is history?
  • tt92618tt92618 Posts: 444member
    how will we ever experience the full web on our devices now?
  • minderbinderminderbinder Posts: 1,703member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by shompa View Post


    Apple never have champion its own "technology". Apple is about open, industry standards like OpenGL, H264 and HTML5.



    The infrastructure around it devices can be closed (like iPhone/iTunes), but the phones support open standards like HTML5. Anyone can create a program in HTML5 and run it on iOS devices.



    Although there are examples to the contrary like the new messaging app and particularly Facetime which was promised to be open to other devs and apps but hasn't happened yet.
  • solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tt92618 View Post


    how will we ever experience the full web on our devices now?



    Will the UK now let Apple advertise the full web on their iOS-based devices?
  • mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    PS: I guess that's one less negative mark under Cons for the iPhone and iPad when it comes time to rate them.



    Flash was never a good idea for a touch device. Flash was a victim of its own success. It was so easy to develop with that 99% of the people using it have no programming or graphic design experience or training. Hence most everything built in Flash sucked. The 1% of good Flash is still excellent work. Aside from the current need to support a dwindling number of IE browsers for video delivery, Flash just doesn't fit in with the web site trends of today. It is like the tail fins on Cadillacs, they were cool and all back in the day but served no purpose, however a derivative of the fin can be observed today in NASCAR rear deck fins. So Flash may serve some limited usefulness in the future but hopefully not as a decoration.
  • mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 6,799member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post


    Gruber:



    Apple didn’t win. Everybody won. Flash hasn’t been superseded in mobile by any sort of Apple technology. It’s been superseded by truly open web technologies. Dumping Flash will make Android better, it will make BlackBerrys better, it will make the entire web better. iOS users have been benefitting from this ever since day one, in June 2007.



    http://daringfireball.net/linked/201...everybody-wins



    Sorry but the Apple Technology is WebKit and the joint HTML 5 spec from Google and Apple.



    Guber continues to be technically handicapped and exists in popularity all due his timing in starting out when the industry was in flux and his voice was crowned an Apple mouthpiece.
  • bullheadbullhead Posts: 492member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by eksodos View Post


    This is terrible news for savvy consumers who want the full web experience on their mobile devices.



    Savvy users would much rather not be required to use bloated, buggy, insecure, proprietary, plug-ins to view the "full" web.
  • suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,034member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post


    Gruber:



    Apple didn’t win. Everybody won. Flash hasn’t been superseded in mobile by any sort of Apple technology. It’s been superseded by truly open web technologies. Dumping Flash will make Android better, it will make BlackBerrys better, it will make the entire web better. iOS users have been benefitting from this ever since day one, in June 2007.



    http://daringfireball.net/linked/201...everybody-wins



    I agree with this POV. The Apple vs Adobe drama was drummed up by the media (as well as Adobe, who went on a full PR assault to defend their "platform"). Steve Jobs didn't "attack" Flash: he simply made a choice for the iOS platform, but Apple and Adobe continued to work together on Flash for Mac OS. It wasn't until Adobe went on a PR offensive that Steve penned his "Thoughts on Flash" open letter, which laid out his vision for the future of the mobile web. And it was an HTML 5 based future.



    It's clear to me that Android support for Flash was more about Google trying to play up the "Apple is against choice" PR angle than by some vision of how the mobile web should work. It was all about taking a position contrary to whatever Apple supported, even if what Apple supported was an open standard like HTML 5.
  • macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
    deleted
  • macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
    deleted
  • solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Sorry but the Apple Technology is WebKit and the joint HTML 5 spec from Google and Apple.



    Guber continues to be technically handicapped and exists in popularity all due his timing in starting out when the industry was in flux and his voice was crowned an Apple mouthpiece.



    You lost me. What exactly do you disagree with in Gruber's blog? I think it's spot on. I also don't get your mention of "Apple Technology" and mentioning of Google. Sure, Webkit was a fork started at Apple in 2001 but it's open source and has many prominent companies contributing which means it's really not Apple's technology but everybody's technology, which is what Gruber is saying. We all benefit from WebKit.
  • suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,034member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nkalu View Post


    Jobs has been proven right again.

    Nice and profitable to show humility Adobe.



    Well, that's certainly one POV. I don't characterize this as "Steve was right." I think Steve was more prescient about the future of mobile web standards. It didn't hurt that he took a hard line on "no plug-ins for mobile Safari" to help force the issue. That includes Microsoft's seldom loved Silverlight plug-in.
  • zunxzunx Posts: 620member
    Finally the utterly obnoxious flash will be history. Great!
Sign In or Register to comment.