ABC offers glimpse at 'Nightline' special 'iFactory: Inside Apple'

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  • deansoleckideansolecki Posts: 256member
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    Originally Posted by rbryanh View Post


    That's far too important a question to be left to languish rhetorically. Here's a an attempt at an answer?







    Because the alleged content plays a barely-audible second fiddle to the nature of the show itself. Forgive the cliché, but the medium really is the message, and the medium exists to manipulate the flow of wealth. Any other results are merely side effects.



    "Nightline" is an advertising vehicle created by ABC, which is owned by Disney, which is substantially dominated by the Jobs estate, which is indistinguishable from Apple itself, all of which are corporate abstractions the sole, amoral purpose of which is to turn anything and everything into money. Consequently, every word, image, thought, feeling, notion, and impulse Nightline conveys is first, foremost, and always an ad. The many-armed, multidinously-fingered, and infinitely-manicured corporate media goddess can no more analyze nail salons than a mirror can examine itself. This severely limits what we can and should expect of the "content." (Forgive the precious quotes - it's fatal to for a moment forget that the purported content of such efforts is nothing of the sort.)



    All corporate-sponsored communication is advertising, and advertising is by definition anything presented to you that the presenter might profit. All advertising is manipulation, and to approach corporate manipulation without first asking who is doing what to whom and why is as irresponsible as it is naive. Such naiveté guarantees being rendered effectively unconscious before the first seductive notes of the mood music are even heard.



    To consume media without examining the nature of the source is to listen to a schizophrenic without considering the nature of schizophrenia. To ever face a television without first asking what it is, why it exists, and how it is you've come to be looking at it is to become one of the zombies or vampires the screen is currently so fond of showing us. It's no more inappropriate to dismiss out of hand the notion that Nightline can tell you the truth than it is to decline to allow a lumberjack to style your hair with a chain saw.



    Most of what Nightline can and can't tell us about working conditions in Apple's Chinese factories or anything else is determined first and foremost by what Nightline itself is. What it actually says is trivial by comparison, and to listen to it unprepared can only result in being misinformed.



    Bravo!



    Erudite and lyrical; a marvelous contrast to the gruntings that prevail here and elsewhere on the nets.



    No doubt you will be called a socialist and your sentiments will never fully spark in the dusty synapses of the Average (in every sense) American "intellect" (for lack of a better word.)
  • addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,667member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeanSolecki View Post


    Bravo!



    Erudite and lyrical; a marvelous contrast to the gruntings that prevail here and elsewhere on the nets.



    No doubt you will be called a socialist and your sentiments will never fully spark in the dusty synapses of the Average (in every sense) American "intellect" (for lack of a better word.)



    You were actually wearing a bow-tie, waving your hand in time to Vivaldi and stroking a pampered cat named Alighieri as you wrote that, weren't you?
  • solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Another explosion at a Chinese factory. This time 13 dead. When will Apple learn¡
  • carlosviscarracarlosviscarra Posts: 37member
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    Originally Posted by MacVicta View Post


    I can see the response now. If it's an even account or perhaps favorable to Apple, the dirty pro-union libs and/or anti-Apple zealots will write it off as a biased piece concocted by a news organization whose parent company is in bed with Cupertino. And if it's a scathing attack that forever mars the way the world looks at iProducts, it's an honest assessment of the bloodthirsty machine designed by that money hungry tyrant Steve Jobs.



    What's got your panties in a bunch?



    Why so angry bro?



    Steve Jobs is the greatest "many-a-thing" to ever live...

    Why knock such a successful guy?
  • carlosviscarracarlosviscarra Posts: 37member
    Gageezus!



    LoL



    Hate apple much don't we? LoL



    I suppose Apple's worker foes can be seen from multiple perspectives...

    This guy above has a very negative perspective of Apple...



    I see it diff.... I see Apple, a company, using resources which are see as the norm among most mass production products and in particular, tech and consumable electronics.





    So I don't see a foul.... Why should we hold this against apple when everyone does this...



    These people are not slaves....
  • maestro64maestro64 Posts: 2,834member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Another explosion at a Chinese factory. This time 13 dead. When will Apple learn¡



    OMG, you better stop buying those cloths 25 factory workers die in this one



    http://www.amrc.org.hk/node/1040



    And stop using perfume since this factory killed 11



    http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...m-factory-fire



    Oh and stop using power 25 die in a US mine



    http://www.openleft.com/diary/18157/...-job-every-day



    Notice 14 Americans die every day due to working, it is a fact of life and if you going to boycott every company which are high risk jobs or some how uses product from the companies you better head to the woods naked and live off the land, but remember a Lion or Bear could kill you



    Yeah do not forget to stop eating King Crab you are adding to all these deaths



    Quote:



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_king_crab_fishing



    Statistically, Alaskan crab fishing remains one of the most dangerous jobs in the United States.[4] In 2006, the Bureau of Labor Statistics ranked commercial fishing as the job occupation with the highest fatality rate with 141.7 per 100,000, almost 75 percent higher than the rate for pilots, flight engineers and loggers, the next most hazardous occupations.[8] However, Alaskan crab fishing specifically is even more dangerous with over 300 fatalities per 100,000.[9] Over 80% of these deaths are caused by drowning or hypothermia.[10] The fishermen are also susceptible to crippling injuries caused by working with heavy machinery and gear.[11]



    People please educate yourself on this, it is not something people want to realize, people die every day so you all can enjoy your nice comfortable lives and no country is perfect and as you will see the US is higher than most of the EU.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workplace_safety



    Lastly, here is a view from the socialist



    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/de...tenn-d16.shtml



    It tells a great story how the US is not much better about protecting workers than China, the major difference is China has a larger labor force then the US.
  • kibitzerkibitzer Posts: 1,105member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rbryanh View Post


    That's far too important a question to be left to languish rhetorically. Here's a an attempt at an answer…







    Because the alleged content plays a barely-audible second fiddle to the nature of the show itself. Forgive the cliché, but the medium really is the message, and the medium exists to manipulate the flow of wealth. Any other results are merely side effects.



    "Nightline" is an advertising vehicle created by ABC, which is owned by Disney, which is substantially dominated by the Jobs estate, which is indistinguishable from Apple itself, all of which are corporate abstractions the sole, amoral purpose of which is to turn anything and everything into money. Consequently, every word, image, thought, feeling, notion, and impulse Nightline conveys is first, foremost, and always an ad. The many-armed, multidinously-fingered, and infinitely-manicured corporate media goddess can no more analyze nail salons than a mirror can examine itself. This severely limits what we can and should expect of the "content." (Forgive the precious quotes - it's fatal to for a moment forget that the purported content of such efforts is nothing of the sort.)



    All corporate-sponsored communication is advertising, and advertising is by definition anything presented to you that the presenter might profit. All advertising is manipulation, and to approach corporate manipulation without first asking who is doing what to whom and why is as irresponsible as it is naive. Such naiveté guarantees being rendered effectively unconscious before the first seductive notes of the mood music are even heard.



    To consume media without examining the nature of the source is to listen to a schizophrenic without considering the nature of schizophrenia. To ever face a television without first asking what it is, why it exists, and how it is you've come to be looking at it is to become one of the zombies or vampires the screen is currently so fond of showing us. It's no more inappropriate to dismiss out of hand the notion that Nightline can tell you the truth than it is to decline to allow a lumberjack to style your hair with a chain saw.



    Most of what Nightline can and can't tell us about working conditions in Apple's Chinese factories or anything else is determined first and foremost by what Nightline itself is. What it actually says is trivial by comparison, and to listen to it unprepared can only result in being misinformed.



    Your "attempt" comes across as a bloated pile of crap. Just try watching the damn show already without polluting the discussion ahead of time with your unsupported, bloviated opinions and prejudices about the organizations you hold a grudge against. If you don't like Nightline, can you suggest some other source that would be acceptable to your exalted Genius?
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