Swedish company claims rights to 'slide to unlock' with new UI patent

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  • kevinn206kevinn206 Posts: 117member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    There is, but that doesn't mean Neonode's patent is valid in terms of Apple's implementation.



    Which is why I'm not a lawyer. This is up to Neonode, Apple, other parties, judges, and a bunch of lawyers to make that determination.
  • macvictamacvicta Posts: 346member
    Just buy the damn company.
  • gatorguygatorguy Posts: 14,829member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    There is, but that doesn't mean Neonode's patent is valid in terms of Apple's implementation.



    Nor has Apple's patent passed any challenge for validity. A request for re-exam is almost certainly in the future. In the opinion of a patent blogger "who will not be named", most software patents are invalid as issued.
  • myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    At least it's not owned by proview as well.
  • solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KevinN206 View Post


    Which is why I'm not a lawyer. This is up to Neonode, Apple, and all the parties that have some form of "slide-to-unlock" to make that determination.



    All we know is Neonode patented a very vague patent for a gesture on a touchscreen and that Neonode released a device that had some rudimentary capability to register a gesture. It's certainly not like the iPhone in any sense. I think it even uses IR above the display to register the gestures.



    Here is Apple's very specific and detailed slide to unlock innovation: http://www.google.com/patents/US2009...page&q&f=false



    If Apple could successfully sue MS for blatantly using their GUI concepts I have a feeling Neonode's patent won't hold up to well.
  • SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 24,651member
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    Originally Posted by MacVicta View Post


    Just buy the damn company.



    No need. They'll be hashing out in the courts for the next 10-15 years.
  • bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 1,445member
    no no no AI, Apples slide to unlock features an icon that moves underneath the 'object', ie your finger. Apple specifically pointed to this glaring difference in the Netherlands. This patent does not mention the top-layer application having a UI or icon that slides underneath your finger.
  • charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,069member
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    Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post


    So in the interest of fairness, all the anti-Apple folk will post that since "you can't patent a gesture" this patent is invalid. Right?



    You can patent a gesture, if the gesture and reaction are specific.



    This patent seems to be on the very idea of all gestures and reactions on a touchscreen nd therefore is likely too broad. Just lik the original Apple lied to unlock was deemed too broad, so Apple changed it to include all the preset, with an image etc
  • rbryanhrbryanh Posts: 263member
    Natural selection invented "wiggle this and maybe it'll come loose." Can we file a belated patent and work up some kind of class action suit against pretty much everyone, everywhere? It'd be easy enough to demonstrate that nature's invention of the technique precedes all others by quite awhile.



    All discussion of unrestrained capitalism and its alternatives aside, haven't we read enough fairy tales to know that the result of greed is first farce, then death?



    Of course if we all sat down and read "King Midas" one more time, we might be forced to admit that the dominant institution of our time is the inevitable expression of the 5% of the human race who - psychotic hoarders that they are - now own 95% of everything and everyone.



    For the average person, stealing intellectual property is arguably one of the few sane, ethical responses possible to a world where the majority actually believe getting rich at any cost is the purpose of existence.
  • gatorguygatorguy Posts: 14,829member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Here is Apple's very specific and detailed slide to unlock innovation: http://www.google.com/patents/US2009...page&q&f=false



    If Apple could successfully sue MS for blatantly using their GUI concepts I have a feeling Neonode's patent won't hold up to well.



    I believe that Apple would like the courts to think their patent really isn't so specific, with several Android devices currently infringing using similar but not identical unlock methods.
  • charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,069member
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    Originally Posted by 801 View Post


    Cheeze, when you become the biggest company in the US, they really come out of the woodwork, don't they? Where was this dispute 5 years ago?



    Where was this dispute a year ago when Samsung used a neonate as defensive against Apple
  • gatorguygatorguy Posts: 14,829member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post


    Where was this dispute a year ago when Samsung used a neonate as defensive against Apple



    They already mentioned it, a major reason the Dutch court opined that Apple's swipe-to-unlock patent was likely invalid, so that Samsung couldn't be infringing it. "No injunction for you" in the judges best soup-nazi impersonation. Neonode didn't have the patent in-hand yet and wasn't party to the proceedings anyway.
  • macvictamacvicta Posts: 346member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post


    No need. They'll be hashing out in the courts for the next 10-15 years.



    It's not just Neonode's potential litigation against Apple, it would also strengthen Apple's hand in their war against Android to have the patent and many more in Neonode's possession.
  • myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rbryanh View Post


    Natural selection invented "wiggle this and maybe it'll come loose." Can we file a belated patent and work up some kind of class action suit against pretty much everyone, everywhere? It'd be easy enough to demonstrate that nature's invention of the technique precedes all others by quite awhile.



    All discussion of unrestrained capitalism and its alternatives aside, haven't we read enough fairy tales to know that the result of greed is first farce, then death?



    Of course if we all sat down and read "King Midas" one more time, we might be forced to admit that the dominant institution of our time is the inevitable expression of the 5% of the human race who - psychotic hoarders that they are - now own 95% of everything and everyone.



    For the average person, stealing intellectual property is arguably one of the few sane, ethical responses possible to a world where the majority actually believe getting rich at any cost is the purpose of existence.



    Cool post!
  • b9botb9bot Posts: 238member
    Apple already has a Patent for this. So this Swedish company needs to license it from Apple, not the other way around. Apple got this Patent first!
  • solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by b9bot View Post


    Apple already has a Patent for this. So this Swedish company needs to license it from Apple, not the other way around. Apple got this Patent first!



    Patents are based on filing dates, not issue dates.
  • ericthehalfbeeericthehalfbee Posts: 2,734member
    The Noenode method is nothing like Apple's. The Neonode works like a touchpad on your laptop. If you run your finger across an edge you get a certain function.



    Apple's slide-to-unlock is very specific. It requires a user-defined path (Neonode only accepted gestures along the very edge of the screen). It requires a graphic to represent the path (Neonode had no graphics of any kind). And Apple's requires another graphic to represent the sliding portion that tracks your finger.



    This is why I thought the Dutch ruling was odd since the two systems are completely different. And like it was mentioned, newer Android devices use a system that's also different from Apple's as Apple's is different from Neonodes.
  • b9botb9bot Posts: 238member
    Mac life just posted this story.

    Apple Scores a Major Win for Multitouch Patents

    Patently Apple is reporting that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has published 24 patents today which have been granted to Apple Inc. The first of these “highlights three out of five important Multi-Touch patent wins,” which cover multitouch auto scanning (for “disabling components of a touch-panel device during periods of inactivity to conserve power”), multipoint touchscreens (encapsulating 21 patents dating back to 2004) and Apple’s 3D curved substrate lamination process used for the Magic Mouse. “No matter how you slice it, it's a huge day for Apple on the Multi-touch patent front,” the website proclaims. Today’s patent victories also include 8,125,455 and 8,125,464 which cover "Full scale calibration measurement for multi-touch surfaces” -- less sexy than the others, to be sure, but definitely additional ammunition in Apple’s arsenal nonetheless.

    So more ammunition for Apple to fight what the Swedish company claims is theres. NOT!!!
  • tylerk36tylerk36 Posts: 1,037member
    I claim the patent of my finger getting used on apple devices. Any such finger other than mine is illegal.
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    A patent issued to Swedish touchscreen technology company Neonode for a 'sweep gesture' user interface could mean legal trouble for Apple, which is currently embroiled in a dispute with Motorola and Samsung over its 'slide to unlock' patent.




    Apple should tell them to go pound sand. And if they sue Apple, BURY THEM.











    /Slappy
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