Apple highlights creation of 514,000 jobs in America

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  • SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 23,594member
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    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    However many are good enough. Those who are not good enough are not. Should they be given cash just for trying?



    This is like the first few chapters of Atlas Shrugged. Nonstop attacks on those who produce value by those who don't. Hope it doesn't have the same ending (at least for the sake of those who don't produce value)



    I know exactly what you mean. Capitalism and the fundamental idea of free markets have been under relentless attack by the president, the public and certain socialistic special interests who believe all that is good or "fair" can only come from government. All of this political pandering is fed by the fuel of disgruntled Americans trying to make their way through a lousy economy. It's a shame that desperate people would rather destroy this country than enable open competition, no protected markets, no subsidization of housing, cars, and what have you...
  • tunetune Posts: 91member
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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post




    But Apple is big enough to take the blows from clueless idiots who infest tech sites like AI.



    I bet you actually shed tears when the master passed.
  • SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 23,594member
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    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    I would argue that would be a matter of perspective. I suspect Apple as a company, and also Tim Cook possess a large degree of social conscience and sense of responsibility. Generally the larger a company, or institution become, the more their actions will impact on a significant number of normal people's lives, and as such you could argue that morally, it can no longer do what it wants. It must at least consider the social implications of its actions. Likewise, it may technically 'owe America nothing', but I am not so sure Apple would publicly show America its middle finger.



    Hundreds of thousands of people are gainfully employed because Apple has taken on the risk to create, out-innovate and sell things people want. If they fail to deliver what customers want... the results are obvious.
  • irelandireland Posts: 15,018member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Who is a private company?



    I meant public.
  • irelandireland Posts: 15,018member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    I would argue that would be a matter of perspective. I suspect Apple as a company, and also Tim Cook possess a large degree of social conscience and sense of responsibility.



    Liberal nonsense.
  • irelandireland Posts: 15,018member
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    Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post


    Judging from the ignorant posts in this thread so far I'm guessing this information won't make it to the tech media at large anytime soon. After all Apple has been dragged through the mud and convicted of evil by the haters and click baiters so any positive PR move by the company will be snickered at. See posts above.



    But Apple is big enough to take the blows from clueless idiots who infest tech sites like AI.



    This comment just makes you seem defensive.
  • jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post


    Yes. They could be directly responsible for the increase in work force in many different industries, including UPS and FedEx. It's not hat hard to imagine. We're talking millions of shipments.



    Yes, transportation is included. Click on the link in the article for details. Or go here:

    http://www.apple.com/about/job-creation/
  • rednivalrednival Posts: 329member
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    Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post


    Aren't 99% of the apps in the store free?





    Oh sorry, you must be looking for Android forums. Might I recommend www.androidcentral.com?



    In all seriousness I have not seen many free apps that do not have on the of the following:
    1. Advertisements

    2. In-App Purchases

    3. A required subscription

  • dreadsnugglesdreadsnuggles Posts: 3member
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    Originally Posted by Ireland View Post


    Private company can do what it wants. It owes America the country nothing. Sorry but it's true.



    Hmmmm...I'm not a fan of nationalism, but...you owe nothing to the community that made you who you are? Well, at least you use Apple products!
  • dreadsnugglesdreadsnuggles Posts: 3member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cameronj View Post


    However many are good enough. Those who are not good enough are not. Should they be given cash just for trying?



    This is like the first few chapters of Atlas Shrugged. Nonstop attacks on those who produce value by those who don't. Hope it doesn't have the same ending (at least for the sake of those who don't produce value)



    God that book was a piece of crap. The Fountainhead was much better and didn't treat the reader like four year old. And didn't Atlas focus on rail roads? Hmmm...who provided the land at incredibly cheap rates to said rail roads? The government, thank you. So even Ayn's egotistical heroes need some help. Ayn Rand was a hack job in her later years, sad to say.
  • realisticrealistic Posts: 1,097member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Who is a private company?



    For the purpose of this article any company or corporation, including Apple, that doesn't depend on money from the government to exist would be considered a private company.
  • rednivalrednival Posts: 329member
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    Originally Posted by Realistic View Post


    For the purpose of this article any company, including Apple, that doesn't depend on money from the government to exist would be considered a private company.



    So for further clarification excludes these guys as private companies
  • umrk_labumrk_lab Posts: 550member
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    Originally Posted by rednival View Post


    So for further clarification excludes these guys as private companies





    +++++
  • dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 12,147member
    I'd like to know how many jobs has Apple killed? I'm sure that number is greater than 514,000.
  • realisticrealistic Posts: 1,097member
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    Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post


    Manufacturing jobs are very different from Genius Bar jobs. Aren't 99% of the apps in the store free?



    The starting pay for a UPS driver is $73,000+ after working for the company for several years in other parts of the company. Apple shipments are probably a drop in the bucket of what those people deliver.



    This claim by Apple might be accurate in one aspect but it is essentially a smokescreen of BS for lack of manufacturing jobs in the USA.



    Open your mind. How many millions of packages is Apple directly or indirectly involved in shipping in the USA every year? Last I knew Chinese companies don't deliver products direct to US addresses. It may be an insignificant number to you but I'll bet that the number is significant to UPS, FedEx and especially to the people who have those jobs. Apple isn't making any claim to US manufacturing jobs so does that mean that Apple shouldn't mention the other 500,000 jobs they helped with? How many other American companies could make a similar claim?
  • rednivalrednival Posts: 329member
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post


    I'd like to know how many jobs has Apple killed? I'm sure that number is greater than 514,000.



    Crap. Sorry.



    If Apple manufactured the iPhone and iPad in the US it would have to price them so much higher that they would have never sold as many or they would not have sold them at all. This would mean either far fewer app jobs or no app jobs at all.



    If you don't believe me, fine. It is pretty much basic economics and so is this:



    Apple is an actual example of free trade in action and open markets working the way they should.
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,469member
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    Originally Posted by rednival View Post


    Crap. Sorry.



    If Apple manufactured the iPhone and iPad in the US it would have to price them so much higher that they would have never sold as many or they would not have sold them at all. This would mean either far fewer app jobs or no app jobs at all.



    Ah, before we get all "outsourcing of jobs-blamey" here, I'd like to point out that it's possible he meant "jobs killed" as in "jobs based on archaic tech that have been obsoleted by Apple innovations over the past fifteen years".
  • piotpiot Posts: 1,344member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post


    I'd like to know how many jobs has Apple killed? I'm sure that number is greater than 514,000.



    Yeh! And don't forget the kittens. Bet Apple has killed lots of kittens.
  • agnuke1707agnuke1707 Posts: 487member
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post


    I'd like to know how many jobs has Apple killed? I'm sure that number is greater than 514,000.



    Killed in what way? If you mean by moving manufacturing outside of the US, I highly doubt it's anywhere CLOSE to 514K. I fail to see any other way Apple has "killed" jobs in this country.
  • rednivalrednival Posts: 329member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Ah, before we get all "outsourcing of jobs-blamey" here, I'd like to point out that it's possible he meant "jobs killed" as in "jobs based on archaic tech that have been obsoleted by Apple innovations over the past fifteen years".



    Oh in that case...



    Double crap.



    Nature of competition.



    We good now?
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