Ah, before we get all "outsourcing of jobs-blamey" here, I'd like to point out that it's possible he meant "jobs killed" as in "jobs based on archaic tech that have been obsoleted by Apple innovations over the past fifteen years".
Damn, replied too soon. And you're right - he could have meant that, but I would think that killing off archaic tech fits right in with the "adapt or die" model. Apple shouldn't quit growing because archaic tech companies or businesses based on their products can't adapt to a modern basis.
Judging from the ignorant posts in this thread so far I'm guessing this information won't make it to the tech media at large anytime soon. After all Apple has been dragged through the mud and convicted of evil by the haters and click baiters so any positive PR move by the company will be snickered at. See posts above.
But Apple is big enough to take the blows from clueless idiots who infest tech sites like AI.
who the hell is being offensive to this news here? This is great news period the only bickering I see are different perspectives on whether or not a publically traded company owes the country it was founded in anything at all.
Which is debatable with good points on both sides.
If Apple manufactured the iPhone and iPad in the US it would have to price them so much higher that they would have never sold as many or they would not have sold them at all. This would mean either far fewer app jobs or no app jobs at all.
If you don't believe me, fine. It is pretty much basic economics and so is this:
Apple is an actual example of free trade in action and open markets working the way they should.
You obviously have no idea what I meant and still decided to write a rant.
I'm talking about the industries that Apple has consumed, will continue to consume.
Brick and mortar stores were on their decline but Apple and iTunes sped up that process.
I'd like to know how many jobs has Apple killed? I'm sure that number is greater than 514,000.
And I spoke to soon...an obselete job, or a job unwilling to be done at the desired pay by an American is not a job lost.
Does Apple even have overseas tech support?
Apple is wholeheartedly an American company and does a lot of good for the country...
could they do more? of course...we all could...you can argue that Apple may be bad for progress of tech as a whole with their litigious nature and I may agree with some of your points there, but to argue they are bad for America overall? No.
Apple on Friday updated its website with a new section touting the company's role in directly creating or supporting more than a half-million jobs in the U.S.
The "Job Creation" page highlights the 514,000 total people Apple says are employed in 50 states because of Apple. Of those, 304,000 are related to engineering, manufacturing and transportation, while 210,000 alone are a result of the App Store and development of applications for the iOS platform.
"Throughout our history, Apple has created entirely new products ? and entirely new industries ? by focusing on innovation," the site reads. "As a result, we've created or supported more than 500,000 jobs for U.S. workers: from the engineer who helped invent the iPad to the delivery person who brings it to your door."
The page cites a study by Analysis Group which found that Apple has directly or indirectly created 304,000 U.S. jobs. Those include 47,000 jobs at Apple, and 257,000 jobs at other companies.
"For example, this figure also includes workers in Texas who manufacture processors for iOS products, Corning employees in Kentucky and Nw York who create the majority of the glass for iPhone, and FedEx and UPS employees," the site states.
As for jobs related to the App Store, Apple cites a 2012 study by TechNet that found that 466,000 total jobs have been added to the U.S. economy related to mobile application development. Apple found that 45 percent of the job postings in the "app economy" are specifically tied to the iPhone and iOS.
Apple's decision to begin promoting its creation of jobs in the U.S. comes as the company has been under fire for its alignment with Foxconn and other China-based suppliers for its products. A story in January from The New York Times noted that Apple's reliance on overseas workers also gives the company greater flexibility, diligence and skilled labor availability.
When late Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs met with President Barack Obama last February, Obama reportedly asked Jobs why Apple is unable to bring its manufacturing operations back to the U.S. Jobs reportedly told the president, "Those jobs aren't coming back."
I know exactly what you mean. Capitalism and the fundamental idea of free markets have been under relentless attack by the president, the public and certain socialistic special interests who believe all that is good or "fair" can only come from government. All of this political pandering is fed by the fuel of disgruntled Americans trying to make their way through a lousy economy. It's a shame that desperate people would rather destroy this country than enable open competition, no protected markets, no subsidization of housing, cars, and what have you...
What free market? What competition? Whenever there's a worthy competitor it gets bought. We used to have Exxon and Mobil competing and what do we have now? ExxonMobil and gas prices through the roof. The problem with capitalism is that the vast majority of us aren't capitalists we're consumers. ATT was broken up because it was a monopoly and its slowly gone back to where it was.
If the jobs of UPS and FEDEX are being counted because of shipments of Apple products then I can only imagine how many jobs Amazon has created? Or Newegg or any of the other thousands of companies that ship things each day. Seems like a stretch.
Amazon has probably killed quite a few jobs too, competing with brick & mortar shops that are at a disadvantage because they don't help people with sales tax evasion the way Amazon does. Not to mention the jobs lost when state governments had to make cuts due to the budget shortfalls exacerbated by the tax evasion.
But Apple is also responsible for creating a few jobs right here at AppleInsider! I don't think MicrosoftInsider would have the same appeal to this crowd.
Killed in what way? If you mean by moving manufacturing outside of the US, I highly doubt it's anywhere CLOSE to 514K. I fail to see any other way Apple has "killed" jobs in this country.
Think of all of the apps on the app store. Now think about how many of them, in conjunction with iPhones and iPads, have replaced special purpose devices for a lot of people: Electronic pocket dictionaries. Translators. Calculators. GPS devices. Watches. Pocket radios. Walkmans. Digital recorders. Gameboys. Dedicated game devices (chess). Filofax and day planners. P&S cameras. Video cameras. Pocket flashlights. Photo albums.
Heck, take printers and paper. I just read how Vancouver replaced tons (literally) of reports and papers distributed to government officials with documents sent and shared via iPads. How much paper is being replaced? Ink? Copiers? Printers?
Think of all of the apps on the app store. Now think about how many of them, in conjunction with iPhones and iPads, have replaced special purpose devices for a lot of people: Electronic pocket dictionaries. Translators. Calculators. GPS devices. Watches. Pocket radios. Walkmans. Digital recorders. Gameboys. Dedicated game devices (chess). Filofax and day planners. P&S cameras. Video cameras. Pocket flashlights. Photo albums.
Heck, take printers and paper. I just read how Vancouver replaced tons (literally) of reports and papers distributed to government officials with documents sent and shared via iPads. How much paper is being replaced? Ink? Copiers? Printers?
Yes, it's convenient for us, not so for them in those industries. Kodak anyone?
Think of all of the apps on the app store. Now think about how many of them, in conjunction with iPhones and iPads, have replaced special purpose devices for a lot of people: Electronic pocket dictionaries. Translators. Calculators. GPS devices. Watches. Pocket radios. Walkmans. Digital recorders. Gameboys. Dedicated game devices (chess). Filofax and day planners. P&S cameras. Video cameras. Pocket flashlights. Photo albums.
Heck, take printers and paper. I just read how Vancouver replaced tons (literally) of reports and papers distributed to government officials with documents sent and shared via iPads. How much paper is being replaced? Ink? Copiers? Printers?
Whats your point since most of the products you mention aren't made in the USA to start with? Saving trees is a bad thing?
For the purpose of this article any company or corporation, including Apple, that doesn't depend on money from the government to exist would be considered a private company.
That's not the definition of a private/public corporation, so no we won't ``for the purpose of this article'' change the definition of what is a private or public corporation.
What free market? What competition? Whenever there's a worthy competitor it gets bought. We used to have Exxon and Mobil competing and what do we have now? ExxonMobil and gas prices through the roof. The problem with capitalism is that the vast majority of us aren't capitalists we're consumers. ATT was broken up because it was a monopoly and its slowly gone back to where it was.
Agreed. We have never had a Free Market mainly because we fight against Regulation which would layout a level playing field for players to fight for our dollars.
We have Oligopolies. We had them with the Rails, Steel, Sugar, and other commodities in the forms of Trusts and TR broke them up.
He'd be considered a disgrace in today's GOP. He gave us the National Forests and Parks.
He was not a Conservative, but a Conservationist.
AT&T was broken up and only created 12 regional monopolies changing nothing.
Exxon losing their subsidies to sink or swim on their own should be welcomed by the GOP fans as a case in competition.
All burgeoning national interest markets have had subsidies/tax incentives to get them off the ground.
Move the damn tax subsidies for Old Energy to New Energy.
If Exxon were smart they'd be spearheading their own Green Initiative with BioAlgae and more since they have the refinement infrastructure but their too dense to see the forrest for the trees.
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Ah, before we get all "outsourcing of jobs-blamey" here, I'd like to point out that it's possible he meant "jobs killed" as in "jobs based on archaic tech that have been obsoleted by Apple innovations over the past fifteen years".
Damn, replied too soon. And you're right - he could have meant that, but I would think that killing off archaic tech fits right in with the "adapt or die" model. Apple shouldn't quit growing because archaic tech companies or businesses based on their products can't adapt to a modern basis.
Yeh! And don't forget the kittens. Bet Apple has killed lots of kittens.
...and babies. Don't forget babies.
I'd like to know how many jobs has Apple killed? I'm sure that number is greater than 514,000.
If the job wasn't created here to start with you can't claim the job as being killed. So I'd bet very few by comparison..
Judging from the ignorant posts in this thread so far I'm guessing this information won't make it to the tech media at large anytime soon. After all Apple has been dragged through the mud and convicted of evil by the haters and click baiters so any positive PR move by the company will be snickered at. See posts above.
But Apple is big enough to take the blows from clueless idiots who infest tech sites like AI.
who the hell is being offensive to this news here? This is great news period the only bickering I see are different perspectives on whether or not a publically traded company owes the country it was founded in anything at all.
Which is debatable with good points on both sides.
Crap. Sorry.
If Apple manufactured the iPhone and iPad in the US it would have to price them so much higher that they would have never sold as many or they would not have sold them at all. This would mean either far fewer app jobs or no app jobs at all.
If you don't believe me, fine. It is pretty much basic economics and so is this:
Apple is an actual example of free trade in action and open markets working the way they should.
You obviously have no idea what I meant and still decided to write a rant.
I'm talking about the industries that Apple has consumed, will continue to consume.
Brick and mortar stores were on their decline but Apple and iTunes sped up that process.
What's next? Publishing? TV?
Liberal nonsense.
Neither.
I'd like to know how many jobs has Apple killed? I'm sure that number is greater than 514,000.
And I spoke to soon...an obselete job, or a job unwilling to be done at the desired pay by an American is not a job lost.
Does Apple even have overseas tech support?
Apple is wholeheartedly an American company and does a lot of good for the country...
could they do more? of course...we all could...you can argue that Apple may be bad for progress of tech as a whole with their litigious nature and I may agree with some of your points there, but to argue they are bad for America overall? No.
Not even close.
Liberal nonsense.
why is giving a fuck such a negative thing to you?
Apple on Friday updated its website with a new section touting the company's role in directly creating or supporting more than a half-million jobs in the U.S.
The "Job Creation" page highlights the 514,000 total people Apple says are employed in 50 states because of Apple. Of those, 304,000 are related to engineering, manufacturing and transportation, while 210,000 alone are a result of the App Store and development of applications for the iOS platform.
"Throughout our history, Apple has created entirely new products ? and entirely new industries ? by focusing on innovation," the site reads. "As a result, we've created or supported more than 500,000 jobs for U.S. workers: from the engineer who helped invent the iPad to the delivery person who brings it to your door."
The page cites a study by Analysis Group which found that Apple has directly or indirectly created 304,000 U.S. jobs. Those include 47,000 jobs at Apple, and 257,000 jobs at other companies.
"For example, this figure also includes workers in Texas who manufacture processors for iOS products, Corning employees in Kentucky and Nw York who create the majority of the glass for iPhone, and FedEx and UPS employees," the site states.
As for jobs related to the App Store, Apple cites a 2012 study by TechNet that found that 466,000 total jobs have been added to the U.S. economy related to mobile application development. Apple found that 45 percent of the job postings in the "app economy" are specifically tied to the iPhone and iOS.
Apple's decision to begin promoting its creation of jobs in the U.S. comes as the company has been under fire for its alignment with Foxconn and other China-based suppliers for its products. A story in January from The New York Times noted that Apple's reliance on overseas workers also gives the company greater flexibility, diligence and skilled labor availability.
When late Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs met with President Barack Obama last February, Obama reportedly asked Jobs why Apple is unable to bring its manufacturing operations back to the U.S. Jobs reportedly told the president, "Those jobs aren't coming back."
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Apple can do more, bring "some" of it's manufacturing back to the USA. Apple may not have to do it, but it is the right thing to do.
Apple can do more, bring "some" of it's manufacturing back to the USA. Apple may not have to do it, but it is the right thing to do.
This is the kind of nonsensical thinking that comes from the release of these figures. Apple is not an employment agency.
Apple can do more, bring "some" of it's manufacturing back to the USA. Apple may not have to do it, but it is the right thing to do.
everyone can do more...but as long as profits > humanity that'll never happen.
Such is the way of things.
Singling out one corporation isn't the right way to go about changing things.
I know exactly what you mean. Capitalism and the fundamental idea of free markets have been under relentless attack by the president, the public and certain socialistic special interests who believe all that is good or "fair" can only come from government. All of this political pandering is fed by the fuel of disgruntled Americans trying to make their way through a lousy economy. It's a shame that desperate people would rather destroy this country than enable open competition, no protected markets, no subsidization of housing, cars, and what have you...
What free market? What competition? Whenever there's a worthy competitor it gets bought. We used to have Exxon and Mobil competing and what do we have now? ExxonMobil and gas prices through the roof. The problem with capitalism is that the vast majority of us aren't capitalists we're consumers. ATT was broken up because it was a monopoly and its slowly gone back to where it was.
If the jobs of UPS and FEDEX are being counted because of shipments of Apple products then I can only imagine how many jobs Amazon has created? Or Newegg or any of the other thousands of companies that ship things each day. Seems like a stretch.
Amazon has probably killed quite a few jobs too, competing with brick & mortar shops that are at a disadvantage because they don't help people with sales tax evasion the way Amazon does. Not to mention the jobs lost when state governments had to make cuts due to the budget shortfalls exacerbated by the tax evasion.
But Apple is also responsible for creating a few jobs right here at AppleInsider! I don't think MicrosoftInsider would have the same appeal to this crowd.
Killed in what way? If you mean by moving manufacturing outside of the US, I highly doubt it's anywhere CLOSE to 514K. I fail to see any other way Apple has "killed" jobs in this country.
Think of all of the apps on the app store. Now think about how many of them, in conjunction with iPhones and iPads, have replaced special purpose devices for a lot of people: Electronic pocket dictionaries. Translators. Calculators. GPS devices. Watches. Pocket radios. Walkmans. Digital recorders. Gameboys. Dedicated game devices (chess). Filofax and day planners. P&S cameras. Video cameras. Pocket flashlights. Photo albums.
Heck, take printers and paper. I just read how Vancouver replaced tons (literally) of reports and papers distributed to government officials with documents sent and shared via iPads. How much paper is being replaced? Ink? Copiers? Printers?
Think of all of the apps on the app store. Now think about how many of them, in conjunction with iPhones and iPads, have replaced special purpose devices for a lot of people: Electronic pocket dictionaries. Translators. Calculators. GPS devices. Watches. Pocket radios. Walkmans. Digital recorders. Gameboys. Dedicated game devices (chess). Filofax and day planners. P&S cameras. Video cameras. Pocket flashlights. Photo albums.
Heck, take printers and paper. I just read how Vancouver replaced tons (literally) of reports and papers distributed to government officials with documents sent and shared via iPads. How much paper is being replaced? Ink? Copiers? Printers?
Yes, it's convenient for us, not so for them in those industries. Kodak anyone?
Think of all of the apps on the app store. Now think about how many of them, in conjunction with iPhones and iPads, have replaced special purpose devices for a lot of people: Electronic pocket dictionaries. Translators. Calculators. GPS devices. Watches. Pocket radios. Walkmans. Digital recorders. Gameboys. Dedicated game devices (chess). Filofax and day planners. P&S cameras. Video cameras. Pocket flashlights. Photo albums.
Heck, take printers and paper. I just read how Vancouver replaced tons (literally) of reports and papers distributed to government officials with documents sent and shared via iPads. How much paper is being replaced? Ink? Copiers? Printers?
Whats your point since most of the products you mention aren't made in the USA to start with? Saving trees is a bad thing?
For the purpose of this article any company or corporation, including Apple, that doesn't depend on money from the government to exist would be considered a private company.
That's not the definition of a private/public corporation, so no we won't ``for the purpose of this article'' change the definition of what is a private or public corporation.
They have very different requirements.
What free market? What competition? Whenever there's a worthy competitor it gets bought. We used to have Exxon and Mobil competing and what do we have now? ExxonMobil and gas prices through the roof. The problem with capitalism is that the vast majority of us aren't capitalists we're consumers. ATT was broken up because it was a monopoly and its slowly gone back to where it was.
Agreed. We have never had a Free Market mainly because we fight against Regulation which would layout a level playing field for players to fight for our dollars.
We have Oligopolies. We had them with the Rails, Steel, Sugar, and other commodities in the forms of Trusts and TR broke them up.
He'd be considered a disgrace in today's GOP. He gave us the National Forests and Parks.
He was not a Conservative, but a Conservationist.
AT&T was broken up and only created 12 regional monopolies changing nothing.
Exxon losing their subsidies to sink or swim on their own should be welcomed by the GOP fans as a case in competition.
All burgeoning national interest markets have had subsidies/tax incentives to get them off the ground.
Move the damn tax subsidies for Old Energy to New Energy.
If Exxon were smart they'd be spearheading their own Green Initiative with BioAlgae and more since they have the refinement infrastructure but their too dense to see the forrest for the trees.
everyone can do more...but as long as profits > humanity that'll never happen.
Such is the way of things.
Singling out one corporation isn't the right way to go about changing things.
Profits are essential to business. If you don't make a profit, you are a charity.