Here in the US the trend is to reduce labor costs and employee benefits such as American Airlines going bankrupt to break their contract with Flight Attendants. The worker in the US is experiencing a diminishing life style.(UAW etc, etc)
Let's go to China and improve conditions? What about here.
I'm 67 years old and I'm working 50 to 60 hours per week - Don't trust Social Security in the hands of the 1% exploiters who pay 15% taxes (e.g. MR)
No, blame the rapidly growing set of socialist Americans that feel everyone needs to be forced to live by a set of government mandated rules rather than by personal choice.
No, it's the truth. First we got Reagan's record setting deficits that damaged the economy for years. Then Bush Jr. Comes along and almost destroys the economy with his, and a war that we never should have had. No matter what we do, it will take 20 years to work ourselves out of that one.
Sounds like someone has been listening to too much Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher.
As a global moderator I'm very surprised that you're bringing politics at this level to a thread. But if you insist:
You left out the Clinton deregulation of the banking industry which is the direct cause of the financial/housing collapse but you'll probably blame Congress for that. Not to mention his lapsadaisical approche to Al Qaeda.
Both wars were approved by Congress and voted on by Democrats too- the country was not divided. If anything the collapse of intelligent journalism in this country is to blame.
And the giant sucking sound of Clinton's NAFTA which "damaged the country for years" as you put it.
Both sides could debate for years but let's not on here please.
China is going to do whatever they as a people/government/culture decide they want to do. If their law says 49 hours a week and they enforce it fine, nothing will stop the workers from getting a second job if they want or need one. The second job may not pay as well but you can't have your cake and eat it too. I am sure the US media will soon be saying that the Chines worker's gross pay should stay the same even though they will be working less hours. This cycle will never end.
Both wars were approved by Congress and voted on by Democrats too- the country was not divided.
They lied about Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda and weapons of mass destruction and chemical agents. All lies. Had we known the truth we would not have gone along with that cluster fk of a war. As soon as we pull out of those countries they will return to exactly what they were before if not worse. The US should learn to stay out of other countries and keep other countries' citizens from residing here or studying in our universities.
They lied about Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda and weapons of mass destruction and chemical agents. All lies. Had we known the truth we would not have gone along with that cluster fk of a war. As soon as we pull out of those countries they will return to exactly what they were before if not worse. The US should learn to stay out of other counties and keep other countries' citizens from residing here.
Yes, the FLA is a socialist activist group. And the only reason Foxconn is negotiating with them is Apple's purchasing power.
It looks like Tim Cook is using Apple's clout to spread socialism.
Not the FLA. It was the liberal activists and liberal media like the NYT which lied and ran bogus stories about Apple which pressured them into the current situation. So yes, it is the fault of liberal activists and liberal serial liars.
It is not about making workers abroad happy, it is about making them uncompetitive in a futile attempt to make jobs come back to US.
this, because really why else would we stick our noses where it doesn't belong if it wasn't a completely self-ish act.
Remember kids, there is no such thing as an unselfish act. Everyone at all times acts in their own best interest. If you don't believe or understand that, then you are misunderstanding me or you failed philosophy in college.
Sounds like someone has been listening to too much Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher.
As a global moderator I'm very surprised that you're bringing politics at this level to a thread. But if you insist:
You left out the Clinton deregulation of the banking industry which is the direct cause of the financial/housing collapse but you'll probably blame Congress for that. Not to mention his lapsadaisical approche to Al Qaeda.
Both wars were approved by Congress and voted on by Democrats too- the country was not divided. If anything the collapse of intelligent journalism in this country is to blame.
And the giant sucking sound of Clinton's NAFTA which "damaged the country for years" as you put it.
Both sides could debate for years but let's not on here please.
one thing... one BILLION seconds in 32 years.. 15 TRILLION dollars debt (15 million million). that is not counting the deficit...
so lets make the 1% percenters pay!... only approx 312,500 dollars a year, for 32 years by 1.5 MILLION people. (and that is not counting the interest rate which will most likely double the debt, meaning that will only pay off half of it).
just beware the 1% percenters do not have the means to pay off the debt or deficit... meaning the government coming after you... collectting 2.5 TRILLION dollars a year in taxes, when you need 4 TRILLION just to balance the budget or pay off the debt via cuts to spending. IMO
so this is not a government problem it is YOUR PROBLEM, the money comes from you... if the median salary is about 25366 a year (half make more, and half make less) where are the taxes coming from?... from a tax system similiar to canada... at least 8 percent federal sales tax, and greater business taxes and or federal taxes... does not matter where it is coming from you will pay more for less services.
TL;DR... i do not know the solution, but it is impossible for taxes NOT to increase in the USA... (in Canada they are already quite high..)
Your hours are being cut because of a group of tree-huggers that have never even been to China think that you work too much and needed to do something to make themselves feel good. -- The United States
The concerns of the workers who depend on regular overtime are valid, but it still wouldn't mean they have any better solutions to the labor issues that might need to be solved. Or that they speak for a majority of the workers. There's not going to be an answer that fits everyone. For many thousands even the best possible labor choices will not be the ones best for them, no different than any large enterprise. Can't be avoided.
The concerns of the workers who depend on regular overtime are valid, but it still wouldn't mean they have any better solutions to the labor issues that might need to be solved. Or that they speak for a majority of the workers. There's not going to be an answer that fits everyone. For many thousands even the best possible labor choices will not be the ones best for them, no different than any large enterprise. Can't be avoided.
The answer is for people to stop trying to dictate working conditions in other countries. If they were consistent about that, they'd criticize the US for not giving a year of paid maternity leave (like Canada) or for not giving as much vacation and the short work week of European countries.
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... resulting in China loosing face.
In that case China should try botox and if more extreme measures are required then I'd suggest a face lift.
Let's go to China and improve conditions? What about here.
I'm 67 years old and I'm working 50 to 60 hours per week - Don't trust Social Security in the hands of the 1% exploiters who pay 15% taxes (e.g. MR)
In that case China should try botox and if more extreme measures are required then I'd suggest a face lift.
So you think all China needs is a quick fix to improve the appearance?
No, blame the rapidly growing set of socialist Americans that feel everyone needs to be forced to live by a set of government mandated rules rather than by personal choice.
You forgot to stamp your little foot.
And stay off those socialist, er, public roads.
No, it's the truth. First we got Reagan's record setting deficits that damaged the economy for years. Then Bush Jr. Comes along and almost destroys the economy with his, and a war that we never should have had. No matter what we do, it will take 20 years to work ourselves out of that one.
Sounds like someone has been listening to too much Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher.
As a global moderator I'm very surprised that you're bringing politics at this level to a thread. But if you insist:
You left out the Clinton deregulation of the banking industry which is the direct cause of the financial/housing collapse but you'll probably blame Congress for that. Not to mention his lapsadaisical approche to Al Qaeda.
Both wars were approved by Congress and voted on by Democrats too- the country was not divided. If anything the collapse of intelligent journalism in this country is to blame.
And the giant sucking sound of Clinton's NAFTA which "damaged the country for years" as you put it.
Both sides could debate for years but let's not on here please.
It'll be even harder for Chinese workers to feed their families now.
And soon, Foxconn will replace many of them with robots, then we'll have starving Chinese people.
Once again, congratulations to the lying douchebag activists.
So you think all China needs is a quick fix to improve the appearance?
If they are loosing face... yes.
If they think they are losing face then they need to resolve a much deeper problem.
Both wars were approved by Congress and voted on by Democrats too- the country was not divided.
They lied about Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda and weapons of mass destruction and chemical agents. All lies. Had we known the truth we would not have gone along with that cluster fk of a war. As soon as we pull out of those countries they will return to exactly what they were before if not worse. The US should learn to stay out of other countries and keep other countries' citizens from residing here or studying in our universities.
The liberal activists got what they wanted, congratulations!
It'll be even harder for Chinese workers to feed their families now.
And soon, Foxconn will replace many of them with robots, then we'll have starving Chinese people.
Once again, congratulations to the lying douchebag activists.
Yes, the FLA is a socialist activist group. And the only reason Foxconn is negotiating with them is Apple's purchasing power.
It looks like Tim Cook is using Apple's clout to spread socialism.
They lied about Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda and weapons of mass destruction and chemical agents. All lies. Had we known the truth we would not have gone along with that cluster fk of a war. As soon as we pull out of those countries they will return to exactly what they were before if not worse. The US should learn to stay out of other counties and keep other countries' citizens from residing here.
Oh for fuck's sake!!
Yes, the FLA is a socialist activist group. And the only reason Foxconn is negotiating with them is Apple's purchasing power.
It looks like Tim Cook is using Apple's clout to spread socialism.
Not the FLA. It was the liberal activists and liberal media like the NYT which lied and ran bogus stories about Apple which pressured them into the current situation. So yes, it is the fault of liberal activists and liberal serial liars.
They can blame righteous Americans..
It's MORE like OVER-RIGHTEOUS Americans who stupidly conclude that everyone in the world THINKS like THEM! What ignoramuses!
It is not about making workers abroad happy, it is about making them uncompetitive in a futile attempt to make jobs come back to US.
this, because really why else would we stick our noses where it doesn't belong if it wasn't a completely self-ish act.
Remember kids, there is no such thing as an unselfish act. Everyone at all times acts in their own best interest. If you don't believe or understand that, then you are misunderstanding me or you failed philosophy in college.
Sounds like someone has been listening to too much Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher.
As a global moderator I'm very surprised that you're bringing politics at this level to a thread. But if you insist:
You left out the Clinton deregulation of the banking industry which is the direct cause of the financial/housing collapse but you'll probably blame Congress for that. Not to mention his lapsadaisical approche to Al Qaeda.
Both wars were approved by Congress and voted on by Democrats too- the country was not divided. If anything the collapse of intelligent journalism in this country is to blame.
And the giant sucking sound of Clinton's NAFTA which "damaged the country for years" as you put it.
Both sides could debate for years but let's not on here please.
one thing... one BILLION seconds in 32 years.. 15 TRILLION dollars debt (15 million million). that is not counting the deficit...
so lets make the 1% percenters pay!... only approx 312,500 dollars a year, for 32 years by 1.5 MILLION people. (and that is not counting the interest rate which will most likely double the debt, meaning that will only pay off half of it).
just beware the 1% percenters do not have the means to pay off the debt or deficit... meaning the government coming after you... collectting 2.5 TRILLION dollars a year in taxes, when you need 4 TRILLION just to balance the budget or pay off the debt via cuts to spending. IMO
so this is not a government problem it is YOUR PROBLEM, the money comes from you... if the median salary is about 25366 a year (half make more, and half make less) where are the taxes coming from?... from a tax system similiar to canada... at least 8 percent federal sales tax, and greater business taxes and or federal taxes... does not matter where it is coming from you will pay more for less services.
TL;DR... i do not know the solution, but it is impossible for taxes NOT to increase in the USA... (in Canada they are already quite high..)
The concerns of the workers who depend on regular overtime are valid, but it still wouldn't mean they have any better solutions to the labor issues that might need to be solved. Or that they speak for a majority of the workers. There's not going to be an answer that fits everyone. For many thousands even the best possible labor choices will not be the ones best for them, no different than any large enterprise. Can't be avoided.
The answer is for people to stop trying to dictate working conditions in other countries. If they were consistent about that, they'd criticize the US for not giving a year of paid maternity leave (like Canada) or for not giving as much vacation and the short work week of European countries.
Here's a likely outcome: Apple's costs may actually fall, since there is less overtime (which is usually paid at >1x of standard wages)!
Ah, the irony.
The unintended consequences that do-gooders leave behind never ceases to amaze me....
It doesn't work like that. Overtime is considerably cheaper than hiring/training/benefits/etc. for an additional employee.