Google, Facebook working to undermine Do Not Track privacy protections

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  • cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,027member
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    Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post


    No one forces you to use Google.



    Google has its fingers in websites across the web--as partly exemplified by their subversion of the do-no-track setting in Safari and IE. There's really no way to avoid "using" Google, unless Google flat-out changes its behavior, which it will only do if forced to.



    And as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to stop governments from legislating that Google et al. can not track users at all.

    I encourage them to do so.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    I already said that's not possible.



    You're wrong. I work for a company that does this kind of stuff. Browser security limits actually constrain us quite a bit. But it's just that most people don't really care. They value the wonderful and free services and content their getting more.



    The real fact is that the whiners here simply want to use the servers, bandwidth, content, software services, etc. that are provided for free and not have any tracking.



    Fine. Don't want to be tracked, don't use them.
  • cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,027member
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    Then don't use their websites. Turn off cookies. Stop using your browser.



    You have the freedom to do all of that. Right now.



    I can go outside my house without fear of being tracked (unless I'm implicated in a crime), but you're saying going on the Internet is somehow different? Please explain.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post


    Google has its fingers in websites across the web--as partly exemplified by their subversion of the do-no-track setting in Safari and IE. There's really no way to avoid "using" Google.



    Stop using them.





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    Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post


    And as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to stop governments from legislating that Google et al. can not track users at all.

    I encourage them to do so.



    You know what, I'm frankly far more concerned about the government who can look into my phone records, bank accounts, medical records and, yes, internet records any time they want for any reason and without telling me or anyone.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    I can go outside my house without fear of being tracked (unless I'm implicated in a crime), but you're saying the Internet is somehow different? Please explain.



    Actually you probably can't go outside your house without fear of being tracked...by the very government you want to intervene here.
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,900member
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    Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post


    Then don't use their websites. Turn off cookies. Stop using your browser.



    You have the freedom to do all of that. Right now.



    Stop saying this. I'm trying to tell you that it is impossible to escape Google's tracking and continue to have any sort of browsing experience.



    I disabled my Safari rules and reloaded this page. This is what came up FROM JUST THIS PAGE.







    They're all important, but take a look at the last one.



    You. Cannot. Escape. Google. You cannot "stop using them". Come off it.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Stop saying this. I'm trying to tell you that it is impossible to escape Google's tracking and continue to have any sort of browsing experience.



    No one is forcing you to have a browsing experience. If you're that concerned, don't.
  • cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,027member
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    Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post


    You know what, I'm frankly far more concerned about the government who can look into my phone records, bank accounts, medical records and, yes, internet records any time they want for any reason and without telling me or anyone.



    I'm concerned about all those things, too. Why would you allow governments to do just that, via Google?
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    You. Cannot. Escape. Google. You cannot "stop using them". Come off it.



    Yes. You. Can. You just don't want to go to give up the benefits.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Then why would you allow governments to do just that, via Google?



    They can (and do) do it without Google. Google is the very least of my concerns. At least they give me tremendous value.
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,900member
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    Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post


    No one is forcing you to have a browsing experience. If you're that concerned, don't.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post


    Yes. You. Can. You just don't want to go to give up the benefits.







    I see how it is now. My apologies for bothering to argue the point.
  • cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,027member
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    Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post


    They can (and do) do it without Google. Google is the very least of my concerns. At least they give me tremendous value.



    The U.S. government uses Google a lot, but Google is simply not allowed to tell us about it.



    How do you know Google gives you good value?
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    I see how it is now. My apologies for bothering to argue the point.



    No apology required. The simple fact is that you don't want to give up any of the benefits that come from visiting the sites you visit.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post


    The U.S. government uses Google a lot, but Google is simply not allowed to tell us about it.



    How do you know Google gives you good value?



    Because I know what value I get from them. \
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,900member
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    Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post


    No apology required. The simple fact is that you don't want to give up any of the benefits that come from visiting the sites you visit.



    No, the simple fact is that I'd like to use the Internet sans Google websites without being tracked by Google everywhere I go. That's not possible, but as you refuse to believe that even after having been shown evidence, we're done here.
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    No, the simple fact is that I'd like to use the Internet sans Google websites without being tracked by Google everywhere I go. That's not possible, but as you refuse to believe that even after having been shown evidence, we're done here.



    Yes...you want all of the benefits of using the internet but not the cost associated with getting almost all of that for free. I guess are done if you refuse to see this.
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 39,900member
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    Yes...you want all of the benefits of using the internet but not the cost associated with getting almost all of that for free. I guess are done if you refuse to see this.



    Would you like to explain why ads need to



    1. Know where I am, what I'm doing, and what's going on with me beyond "hey, I got clicked on".

    2. Be from Google at all.



    or are you content with continuing to repeat "then just don't use it" and expect people to take you seriously?
  • mj1970mj1970 Posts: 9,002member
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Would you like to explain why ads need to



    1. Know where I am, what I'm doing, and what's going on with me beyond "hey, I got clicked on".



    I don't know. I'm not the one placing the ads. But, from my experience, my guess is that they are trying to learn more about you in order to better target ads to you.





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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    2. Be from Google at all.



    They don't have to be.
  • zeromeuszeromeus Posts: 177member
    Thank goodness for FireFox.



    Google Analytics and a whole bunch of other advertisement scripts are being blocked by the NO SCRIPT add on!
  • cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,027member
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    Because I know what value I get from them. \



    And how much of that "value" is due to their tracking?
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