Obama is stoking racial tensions to get reelected

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  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,271member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    What's telling is that you have attached race to it.



    What's telling is that the left calls almost any disagreement with them screaming racism as a racist act as well.



    See above.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,218member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    What's telling is that you have attached race to it.



    He scolded that America must do "soul-searching" on why it happened. What the hell do you think that means?



    He politicized it by saying we need to "examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident."



    He personalized it, saying "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon."



    Most importantly, he's not said anything like this for other young whites that have been murdered recently. Why are their parents not called to Capital Hill? Why no soul searching? Why no statement of "I think about my children?" I'll tell you why: Because he's making it about race. If this was a white kid that got killed by a black guy, he'd say nothing. There would be no riots in the streets, despite the fact that the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks and hispanics.



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    As Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute has written, from January to June 2008 in New York City, 83 percent of all identified gun assailants were black and 15 percent were Hispanics.



    Together, blacks and Hispanics accounted for 98 percent of gun assaults.



    Translated: If a cabdriver is going to be mugged or murdered in New York City by a fare, 49 times out of 50 his assailant or killer will be black or Hispanic.



    Hmm. No concern there? Shouldn't we be examining the laws that let this occur? Maybe whites are being hunted down in cold blood? No?



    Thought so. Now pull the wool back over your eyes.
  • apple ][apple ][ Posts: 8,234member
    Here's a racially motivated hate crime attack, and the attackers could all be Obama's sons. Will Obama hold a press conference about this?



    7 California boys arrested in attack on teen



    PALMDALE, Calif. (AP) - Seven black teens have been arrested on suspicion that they committed a hate crime when they attacked a 15-year-old Hispanic boy while he was walking home from school in Southern California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office.



    http://www.katu.com/news/national/7-...145286335.html
  • brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
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    There would be no riots in the streets, despite the fact that the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks and hispanics.



    Wow that "fact" is not a fact. That's what you get when you look to conservative columnists for your statistics. Here are last year's complete arrest statistics for all crimes. It's about 70-30% white to black overall, and you can look at individual crimes as well. Whites and Hispanics are put together, but in none of them are the "vast majority" committed by non-whites. Most of them vary between 50-50 to 70-30 white-to-black. Blacks have a higher rate of arrest per capita, but that "vast majority" statistic is not true, and it's pretty clear that this columnist was lying to drum up racist feelings.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,218member
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    Wow that "fact" is not a fact. That's what you get when you look to conservative columnists for your statistics. Here are last year's complete arrest statistics for all crimes. It's about 70-30% white to black overall, and you can look at individual crimes as well. Whites and Hispanics are put together, but in none of them are the "vast majority" committed by non-whites. Most of them vary between 50-50 to 70-30 white-to-black. Blacks have a higher rate of arrest per capita, but that "vast majority" statistic is not true, and it's pretty clear that this columnist was lying to drum up racist feelings.



    "That columnist" is Patrick J. Buchanan, former Presidential candidate and WH Chief of Staff. Of course, the Left loves to paint him as racist, but that's no surprise.



    As for the data: I obviously didn't frame that correctly...sorry. Those stats were only from NYC. That being said, the data you're showing is only arrest data...not crime data. There are many, many unsolved violent crimes and robberies, particularly in urban areas. Secondly, you state blacks have "higher arrest rate per capita." Uh...yeah. According to the 2010 Census, blacks account for 12.6% of the population. However, according to the data you presented, 48% of all murders and non negligent homicides are committed by blacks. 55% of robberies are committed by blacks.



    The point of Buchanan's column was not to "drum up racist feelings" as you predictably state. It was o demonstrate that given George Zimmerman saw an unknown black male (he gets into gender as well in that piece) wearing a hoodie, he had understandable reasons for being on alert.



    Speaking of which, I had mentioned earlier that we had some minor thefts and suspicious characters in my neighborhood last year or so. What I didn't mention is that joke my friend played on everyone around the same time. There were several young black males who had committed these thefts (mostly just going into unlocked cars, getting some "low hanging fruit" so to speak). We had descriptions and there was even an arrest at one point. Anyway, I'm sitting out in my Man Cave/Garage having a cigar one night with some of the other neighbors. My friend had disappeared for a bit. All of a sudden, we see this guy in a hoodie, sort of strutting past the house. Given the recent activity, we sort of stopped and stared....this guy was extremely suspicious. He was walking slowly with no real direction. We couldn't tell his race. He was about 6' tall and wearing a hoodie. That's all we knew. We called 911 to report it. In the middle of the call, we find out it was my friend putting us on! Yes...my friend is white.



    I thought of this situation when I heard about this case. It made me consider what I find suspicious and why. In this case my suspicion had zero to do with race...it had to do with behavior. Now, did I assume there was a black face under that hoodie? I really don't know. Given the recent events, I may have. But I can assure you my main concern was the behavior and dress. Did Zimmerman have the same reaction? If Trayvon's hoodie was concealing his face, he very likely did. According to the info we have, there's no evidence whatsoever that the shooting (justified or not) was racially motivated.
  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
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    Here's a racially motivated hate crime attack, and the attackers could all be Obama's sons. Will Obama hold a press conference about this?



    7 California boys arrested in attack on teen



    PALMDALE, Calif. (AP) - Seven black teens have been arrested on suspicion that they committed a hate crime when they attacked a 15-year-old Hispanic boy while he was walking home from school in Southern California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office.



    http://www.katu.com/news/national/7-...145286335.html



    No way Sharpton and jackson are not involved.Only if Blacks are involved there will be a big shindig with the media getting involved.That is their narrow minded thinking.
  • sammi josammi jo Posts: 4,634member
    Forensic voice identification experts: The cries for help were not Zimmerman's voice.



    Link here



    However... there are inherent difficulties with voice identification, especially when the sound quality is poor (as this case where the voice was recorded by a cell-phone - assume poor audio quality) and/or recorded at a distance where the higher frequency harmonic components - ie the parts of the voice that are most significant in determining identification, are more attenuated by distance and objects between the source and the recording device, than the fundamental frequency and lower order harmonics.



    We don't know what tools and analysis methods were used to determine that the screams were not Zimmerman's... but if anyone can truly debunk this aspect of the story, lets hear it.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,218member
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    Forensic voice identification experts: The cries for help were not Zimmerman's voice.



    Link here



    However... there are inherent difficulties with voice identification, especially when the sound quality is poor (as this case where the voice was recorded by a cell-phone - assume poor audio quality) and/or recorded at a distance where the higher frequency harmonic components - ie the parts of the voice that are most significant in determining identification, are more attenuated by distance and objects between the source and the recording device, than the fundamental frequency and lower order harmonics.



    We don't know what tools and analysis methods were used to determine that the screams were not Zimmerman's... but if anyone can truly debunk this aspect of the story, lets hear it.



    Another leaked out fact. Doesn't make or break the case. Let the process work instead of trying to be judge and jury.
  • bergermeisterbergermeister Posts: 6,784member
    The audio was reviewed by an expert if I recall correctly and determined to not be Zimmerman's.



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1394224.html



    An expert in voice analysis.



    Actually, it was two experts who both reached the same conclusion.



    Dang.
  • tontontonton Posts: 14,064member
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    Another leaked out fact. Doesn't make or break the case. Let the process work instead of trying to be judge and jury.



    Yes, let the process work, which is exactly what a large faction of the right wing is telling us is unnecessary. Right.
  • brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
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    Yes, let the process work, which is exactly what a large faction of the right wing is telling us is unnecessary. Right.



    Exactly. That's the problem with these laws, that they basically create a presumption of self-defense if you kill someone, and so police and prosecutors don't even try. These laws were never necessary to address some social problem. There was never any issue of people legitimately defending themselves but being prosecuted. But I think these laws have created the problem that you identified.
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
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    Originally Posted by BRussell View Post


    Exactly. That's the problem with these laws, that they basically create a presumption of self-defense if you kill someone, and so police and prosecutors don't even try. These laws were never necessary to address some social problem. There was never any issue of people legitimately defending themselves but being prosecuted. But I think these laws have created the problem that you identified.



    Not entirely true. The law's sponsor sited a case in Florida where a hurricane impacted homeowner was living out of a trailer on his property and shot and killed an intruder that attacked him in the middle of the night. The homeowner was prosecuted whereas any reasonable person would consider self defense.
  • brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
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    Not entirely true. The law's sponsor sited a case in Florida where a hurricane impacted homeowner was living out of a trailer on his property and shot and killed an intruder that attacked him in the middle of the night. The homeowner was prosecuted whereas any reasonable person would consider self defense.



    I'd like to see that case verified. Shit politicians say...



    I'm sure there are crazy cases, and in a big country anything can happen. But in my experience, whenever you hear about these scare stories, they turn out either not to be true, or they weren't really prosecuted or convicted, or the facts are otherwise very different.



    On the other hand, there are many thousands of cases of killings that go unprosecuted, I'm sure most of which were legitimately justifiable. Gun rights groups love to talk about all the millions of cases of people protecting themselves with guns. But how many of those were just assholes with guns, who get away with it because the change in the law made it more difficult for prosecutors?
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,271member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    Yes, let the process work, which is exactly what a large faction of the right wing is telling us is unnecessary. Right.



    What the hell are you babbling about? The left is calling for vigilante justice. They are putting bounties on the head of Zimmerman. They are threatening civil unrest. There is nothing like that on the right. The process hasn't charged Zimmerman after a month and several new investigations at various levels of government have begun. There hasn't been a single person in this forum or anywhere else I have read that has said Zimmerman should be done answering questions and off scot-free.



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    Originally Posted by BRussell View Post


    Exactly. That's the problem with these laws, that they basically create a presumption of self-defense if you kill someone, and so police and prosecutors don't even try. These laws were never necessary to address some social problem. There was never any issue of people legitimately defending themselves but being prosecuted. But I think these laws have created the problem that you identified.



    You say exactly letting the system work as it should and then dig right in to your problems with the laws. That isn't letting the system work as it should in this particular case. It's dishonest on it's face.



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    Originally Posted by BRussell View Post


    I'd like to see that case verified. Shit politicians say...



    I'm sure there are crazy cases, and in a big country anything can happen. But in my experience, whenever you hear about these scare stories, they turn out either not to be true, or they weren't really prosecuted or convicted, or the facts are otherwise very different.



    On the other hand, there are many thousands of cases of killings that go unprosecuted, I'm sure most of which were legitimately justifiable. Gun rights groups love to talk about all the millions of cases of people protecting themselves with guns. But how many of those were just assholes with guns, who get away with it because the change in the law made it more difficult for prosecutors?



    I'd love to see the statistics on women who feel impoverished due to $9 a month Walmart birth control speaking of shit politicians say. The made up birth contraception issue is a prime example of something driven by narrative and nonsense rather than facts. The scare stories of racial injustice I have read about in the last five years or so largely have been uncovered as made up. People hang nooses on their own doors or things like the Duke lacrosse case. The craziest stories of all and the massive overreactions related to it involve "taking back the night" and college campuses. College campuses are among the safest places to be yet women continue to act like every male on campus is a potential rapist and cite ridiculous and unsubstantiated numbers all the time.



    Let us never forget the hypocrisy of the left who can both craft slutwalks and protests for the use of the word slut almost within the same year.
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
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    Originally Posted by BRussell View Post


    I'd like to see that case verified. Shit politicians say...



    I'm sure there are crazy cases, and in a big country anything can happen. But in my experience, whenever you hear about these scare stories, they turn out either not to be true, or they weren't really prosecuted or convicted, or the facts are otherwise very different.



    On the other hand, there are many thousands of cases of killings that go unprosecuted, I'm sure most of which were legitimately justifiable. Gun rights groups love to talk about all the millions of cases of people protecting themselves with guns. But how many of those were just assholes with guns, who get away with it because the change in the law made it more difficult for prosecutors?



    Well go find it then. I must have heard it on NPR or something like that.



    Yea there are many cases that don't get prosecuted. Just look at Detroit. I'm sure most of them are crimes that go unsolved. I never heard anyone pipe off about "millions" of cases of self defense. I'm sure there are some cases where a ligit' gun owner draw their pistol and the bad guy goes running. I doubt those get reported because after all why risk getting an over zealous prosecutor wanting to charge people with brandishing and what not? Best just to walk away.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,218member
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    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    Yes, let the process work, which is exactly what a large faction of the right wing is telling us is unnecessary. Right.



    You're not even making sense. The right is saying "let the process work."



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BRussell View Post


    Exactly. That's the problem with these laws, that they basically create a presumption of self-defense if you kill someone, and so police and prosecutors don't even try.



    Do you care to support that?



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    These laws were never necessary to address some social problem. There was never any issue of people legitimately defending themselves but being prosecuted. But I think these laws have created the problem that you identified.



    There have been many stories of people defending themselves on their own property and then getting charged with a crime. Have you been living under a rock?



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    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    What the hell are you babbling about? The left is calling for vigilante justice. They are putting bounties on the head of Zimmerman. They are threatening civil unrest. There is nothing like that on the right. The process hasn't charged Zimmerman after a month and several new investigations at various levels of government have begun. There hasn't been a single person in this forum or anywhere else I have read that has said Zimmerman should be done answering questions and off scot-free.



    You say exactly letting the system work as it should and then dig right in to your problems with the laws. That isn't letting the system work as it should in this particular case. It's dishonest on it's face.



    I'd love to see the statistics on women who feel impoverished due to $9 a month Walmart birth control speaking of shit politicians say. The made up birth contraception issue is a prime example of something driven by narrative and nonsense rather than facts. The scare stories of racial injustice I have read about in the last five years or so largely have been uncovered as made up. People hang nooses on their own doors or things like the Duke lacrosse case. The craziest stories of all and the massive overreactions related to it involve "taking back the night" and college campuses. College campuses are among the safest places to be yet women continue to act like every male on campus is a potential rapist and cite ridiculous and unsubstantiated numbers all the time.



    Let us never forget the hypocrisy of the left who can both craft slutwalks and protests for the use of the word slut almost within the same year.



    Fantastic points.
  • trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,271member
    Foxnews.com



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    NBC has launched an internal probe after running an edited version of the 911 call from George Zimmerman -- the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin -- that made Zimmerman sound racist.



    "We have launched an internal investigation into the editorial process surrounding this particular story," the network said in a statement to the Washington Post on Monday.



    NBC's "Today" show ran the edited audio of George Zimmerman's phone call to a police dispatcher in which Zimmerman says: "'This guy looks like he's up to no good ? he looks black."



    But the audio recording in its entirety reveals that Zimmerman did not volunteer the information that Martin was black. Instead, Zimmerman was answering a question from a police dispatcher about the race of the "suspicious person" whom Zimmerman was speaking about.



    A transcript of the complete 911 call shows that Zimmerman said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."



    The 911 officer responded saying, "OK, and this guy ? is he black, white or Hispanic?"



    "He looks black," Zimmerman said.



    Who needs facts when you have an agenda?
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,218member
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    Originally Posted by trumptman View Post


    Foxnews.com







    Who needs facts when you have an agenda?



    You mean like this?



    NBC caught making questionable edits to 911 call



    Broadcast version: NBC's "Today" show ran the edited audio of George Zimmerman's phone call to a police dispatcher in which Zimmerman says: "'This guy looks like he's up to no good … he looks black."



    Real Version: A transcript of the complete 911 call shows that Zimmerman said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."



    The 911 officer responded saying, "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?"

    "He looks black," Zimmerman said.
  • floorjackfloorjack Posts: 2,726member
    NBC Fires Producer of Misleading Zimmerman Tape



    They forgot to fire the rest of NBC news.
  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,218member
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    NBC Fires Producer of Misleading Zimmerman Tape



    They forgot to fire the rest of NBC news.



    http://www.theonion.com/articles/dal...ry-jones,2815/
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