Availability of Apple's 15-inch MacBook Pros constrained ahead of redesigned models

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  • doctorgonzodoctorgonzo Posts: 529member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post


    Apple could bundle Final Cut X with top end iMacs to keep some of the Pro's happy.



    Except that it wouldn't be enough people to matter. When it comes to creative professionals, performance is what it boils down to at the end of the day. If your computer is choking on renders, you get a new computer. If you're already using the best machine in the lineup, you switch to another hardware platform.



    What matters is the ability to complete the necessary tasks in a reasonable timeframe delivering the results clients demand.



    If you have a drop-dead day and time to deliver a project, and a client comes back with a note at the 11th hour, you need to be able to implement that change in as little time as possible. Your career literally depends on it. No one cares about any excuses you may have. You have a problem, and you're expected to fix it within the time allotted. If you fail, you are not hired again. Friends of the client no longer consider hiring you. End of story.



    A $299 freebee doesn't really counteract any of this.
  • mrjones19mrjones19 Posts: 2member
    ?Multiple authorized resellers this week are reflecting stock outs of 15-inch MacBook Pros, suggesting that Apple is ramping down production of existing models before introducing redesigned offerings that will largely resemble the company?s increasingly popular line of ultra-slim MacBook Airs,? Neil Hughes reports for Apple Insider.



    ?Among those resellers reflecting backorder status on some of the current 15-inch MacBook Pros is J&R, which is now sold out of both the 2.2GHz model, which is listed as ?out of stock,? and the 2.4GHz variety, which is currently advertised as ?on order,?? Hughes reports. ?In addition, Best Buy has also stopped accepting online orders for the 2.4GHz model for home delivery.?
  • orthorimorthorim Posts: 136member


    "Among those resellers reflecting backorder status on some of the current 15-inch MacBook Pros is J&R, which is now sold out of both the model, which is listed as "out of stock," and the variety, which is currently advertised as "on order.""


     


    Well, they're both back in stock with immediate shipping.


     


    This article needs some updating, or maybe it should be deleted outright.

  • dhagan4755dhagan4755 Posts: 2,142member


    Anyone for a May 1st event?

  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 40,859member

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    Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post


    Anyone for a May 1st event?



     


    Seems May 2 would be more likely, given recent history.

  • zeusismezeusisme Posts: 4member


    Highly unlikely ,,  if Apple got a new line of product for sure they will announce it and expect people to give a pre order at the least. 

  • MarvinMarvin Posts: 13,802member, moderator
    dhagan4755 wrote: »
    Anyone for a May 1st event?

    I think there should be no event. They should just take the store offline tomorrow and update the iMacs silently with a slimmer design and no optical drive. Possibly update the MBPs too but I think the MBPs should wait until WWDC in 6 weeks to merge the line.
  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 40,859member

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    Originally Posted by Zeusisme View Post

    Highly unlikely ,,  if Apple got a new line of product for sure they will announce it and expect people to give a pre order at the least. 


     


    No, that's not how it works. With computers, they come out the day of announcement. There's zero point in announcing before they're ready and giving pre-orders.


     




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

    I think there should be no event. They should just take the store offline tomorrow and update the iMacs silently with a slimmer design and no optical drive. Possibly update the MBPs too but I think the MBPs should wait until WWDC in 6 weeks to merge the line.


     


    Wait, are those chips out?! I thought just the laptop ones were out. And I agree that there's no way they'd release the new MacBook Pro (equivalents) without an event, given they (should be) getting a redesign. And then they'd need to wait on the MacBook Air because, hey, if they're merging the lines, it's pretty telling otherwise…

  • mr. memr. me Posts: 3,219member


     


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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    .... And I agree that there's no way they'd release the new MacBook Pro (equivalents) without an event, given they (should be) getting a redesign. And then they'd need to wait on the MacBook Air because, hey, if they're merging the lines, it's pretty telling otherwise…



     


    For a redesign, Apple would hold an event. However, the new models would be available at the Apple Store on the day of the event.

  • tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 40,859member

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    Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post


    For a redesign, Apple would hold an event. However, the new models would be available at the Apple Store on the day of the event.



     


    Or earlier, of course, if they can be. Like the iMac and Mac Mini.

  • MarvinMarvin Posts: 13,802member, moderator
    Wait, are those chips out?! I thought just the laptop ones were out.

    13 chips have been launched, 9 desktop, 6 mobile:

    desktop:
    3770K, 3.5 GHz
    3770, 3.4 GHz
    3770S, 3.1 GHz
    3770T, 2.5GHz

    plus 5x i5 chips, not sure which ones.

    mobile:
    3920XM, 2.9GHz
    3820QM , 2.7GHz
    3720QM , 2.6GHz
    3615QM , 2.3 GHz
    3612QM , 2.1 GHz
    3610QM , 2.3 GHz

    The shipping date is April 29th but retailers already have the chips so presumably Apple does too and they can launch whenever they like, though they might have a 5-7 day shipping time.

    The 3770K will go in the top iMac. It gets 7.52 in Cinebench vs 6.8 in the old one = 10% increase. Intel's reason for this:

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2169587/intel-releases-22nm-ivy-bridge-processors

    "the firm has said compute performance will see minimal gains as it has spent its 'silicon budget' on improving graphics"

    Of course, the initial benchmarks of Ivy Bridge could have been done using the IGP. With a dedicated GPU, the CPU might be able to ramp up higher. No more than 20% though. It should run cooler at least though, which does help when it's positioned behind a very expensive display.

    The funny thing about Intel is that they spend so much resources on the GPUs and still end up in the same ballpark as last year's low-end dedicated GPUs. Eventually it won't matter though. The HD 4000 is the first GPU I would give up a dedicated GPU for. This year's equivalent dedicated GPUs will still be about 50-100% faster though.
  • philipmphilipm Posts: 239member


     


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    Getting rid of a 27" monitor and every other part every time you need a CPU or GPU upgrade? No workstation graphics cards or ECC memory? It would work for some, not for everyone. Depends on what you mean by "developer" I guess, for someone tinkering with iOS development of course any modern machine would do, but development can mean much more than that.



    External Thunderbolt workstation graphics cards would certainly reduce some limitations though. It's not fast enough for an external CPU though.




    The problem is the value proposition of the Pro box. Unless you can fill it with lots of parts before it goes obsolete you're paying a lot of money for air. The top of the iMac line (before options) is  just under $2000, with 27" screen, 3.1GHz quad-core Core i5, 4GiB RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6970M with 1GiB, and 1TB drive. The Pro starts $500 more with less RAM and quad core Nehalem, which should be faster than the Core i5. I don't know enough about current graphics chipsets though I assume the Pro starts ahead of the top iMac (it should). But then you need another GB of RAM and a screen before you're ahead on all fronts ($999 for an Apple 17" screen).


     


    You only need a box like this if you need to fill it with a lot of parts.


     


    The real gap in the range is not between the Pro and the iMac, it's between the Pro and the mini. The most expensive mini is 40% of the price of the least expensive Pro.

  • wizard69wizard69 Posts: 11,836member
    Is Apples very conservative guidance a sign that laptops won't come till June. For that matter maybe no new machines till June?
  • tailpipetailpipe Posts: 344member


     


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    Is Apples very conservative guidance a sign that laptops won't come till June. For that matter maybe no new machines till June?


     


    I hope not. Everyone has been eagerly anticipating new Mac laptops for some time.


     


    I would have bought a Sandy Bridge 13" MacBook Air in a heartbeat last year when it was launched - if it had come with a 1 GB or even a 500 GB SSD drive. But 256 GB simply wasn't enough. So I decided to wait for new MacBook Pros, especially when I heard they were coming with thinner Air-type enclosures. I thought they'd arrive in March. That slipped to April. Now it looks like June. 


     


    I am now thinking that the time to upgrade will be after Mountain Lion gets launched. i guess the longer Apple waits, the more likely it will be that Apple launches new machines with retina-type displays. That would be worth waiting for. 


     


    New 13" or 15" MBP. I can't decide.   

  • wizard69wizard69 Posts: 11,836member
    tailpipe wrote: »
    <p>  </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>wizard69</strong> <a href="/t/148698/availability-of-apples-15-inch-macbook-pros-constrained-ahead-of-redesigned-models/120#post_2100631"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> Is Apples very conservative guidance a sign that laptops won't come till June. For that matter maybe no new machines till June?</div></div><p>  </p><p> I hope not. Everyone has been eagerly anticipating new Mac laptops for some time.</p>
    That is true but that is also because of the Ivy Bridge hype. For Apple Ivy Bridge may not even be a key element of the new machines. Contrary to the opinion of many Apple isn't tied to Intels release schedule. In this case it just seems like Apples guidance amounts to saying: no significant hardware releases this quarter.
    <p>  </p><p> I would have bought a Sandy Bridge 13" MacBook Air in a heartbeat last year when it was launched - if it had come with a 1 GB or even a 500 GB SSD drive. But 256 GB simply wasn't enough.
    That SSD problem has kept many off the AIR platform.
    So I decided to wait for new MacBook Pros, especially when I heard they were coming with thinner Air-type enclosures. I thought they'd arrive in March. That slipped to April. Now it looks like June. </p>
    Well I'm not sure what the hold up is now. It looks like they only have chips suitable for the 15" & 17" MBPs maybe that isn't good enough for a launch. Knowing Intel it could also be driver issues.
    <p>  </p><p> I am now thinking that the time to upgrade will be after Mountain Lion gets launched.
    You might be talking October then! By that time we might see an October / November refresh of the laptops.
    i guess the longer Apple waits, the more likely it will be that Apple launches new machines with retina-type displays. That would be worth waiting for. </p>
    This seems like a likely explanation for a wait on new MBPs. The more time that passes without a release the more you have to wonder about what Apple is waiting on. Retina seems like a real possible cause for a drawn out delay.
    <p>  </p><p> New 13" or 15" MBP. I can't decide.   </p>

    As old as it is I really like my 15" MBP. However now that I'm a heavy iPad user I'm not sure that another portable is even in the cards. The fact is on the desktop a larger screen makes more sense and desktop machines are far more serviceable. My problem of course is getting Apple to make the right desktop platform. It might come down to another laptop being the best possible solution, in that case I'd go with a 15" or larger machine.

  • rbrrbr Posts: 631member


     


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    I would have bought a Sandy Bridge 13" MacBook Air in a heartbeat last year when it was launched - if it had come with a 1 GB or even a 500 GB SSD drive. But 256 GB simply wasn't enough.



    That SSD problem has kept many off the AIR platform.


     


    Interestingly, Intel are reported to be pressing the hard drive manufacturers to come up with an ultra-thin hybrid for use in new thin PC laptops intended to compete with the MBA. It supposedly will have much of the performance of a SSD, but with a larger storage capacity than is typical of the MBA and at a price which will allow the new PC laptops to have a competitive price point.


     


    Apple just might benefit from these as well.


     


    Cheers

  • winterwinter Posts: 1,238member


    I don't push my 2011 Mini though how much cooler would Ivy Bridge run? The 2011 Mini hovers around 40 C or so for me.

  • not1lostnot1lost Posts: 136member


     


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    Thanks for all this great food for thought! I've got a lot more to consider now. I suppose it seems it is possible but then I dont know how many problems I may run into with the Workload / workflow and if it would all be worth the effort at this time... I have a lot of research and studying to do on this. Thanks again for all the help and resources!


     


    Nope! I've done a lot of research and thinking... and these AIO's and inclosed small units are just not for me. I should have stuck with my first thoughts when I started search on this forum. I know deep down what I would be happy with and what I would not, everyone is wired differently and has different needs and atittudes about things. Not to dis anyone elses ideas which are good for them but these machines are not for me. I would never be happy with one no matter how it performed. Peace :-)


     


    PS. Smiley's not working for me... only the laughing one since the upgrade ? may be all the firewalls and tracking blockers I have running. It's blocking 6 on this page right now through Abine

  • wizard69wizard69 Posts: 11,836member
    The big surprise here is that your Mini might not run that much cooler.
    winter wrote: »
    <p> I don't push my 2011 Mini though how much cooler would Ivy Bridge run? The 2011 Mini hovers around 40 C or so for me.</p>
  • winterwinter Posts: 1,238member


    So maybe wait until Haswell or Broadwell to see a significant drop? (not that I will though I'm curious on an opinion)

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