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  • bergermeisterbergermeister Posts: 6,784member
    Surprised that this isn't a thread, so I'll post it here.



    North Korea plans to launch a rocket in the coming weeks that they say will carry up a satellite. Of course, the tech needed for a rocket launch goes against the forbiddance of ballistic missile tech placed on NK by the UN.



    Japan and Korea are pretty anxious about the launch. Japan has moved Aegis destroyers into the sea between the Korean peninsula and Japan interceptor missiles to strategic points along the announced flint path, and around Tokyo just in case.



    With all the war hawks in the US, and some possibly here on PO, I'm surprised by how little attention this seems to be getting in the US as NK already has the tech to make a nuclear bomb whereas Iran is still some ways off. This rocket launch, if successful, would put American bases in the Pacific at potential risk; it could possibly show NK has the ability to reach Alaska with a launch.



    Where are the war drums?



    Or is it that NK doesn't have oil?
  • tontontonton Posts: 14,063member
    It's counterproductive for the right wing to push the North Korea issue right now because it does absolutely nothing to advance the war on Islam, which is their real baby (with Islamic oil in mind, of course).
  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post


    Surprised that this isn't a thread, so I'll post it here.



    North Korea plans to launch a rocket in the coming weeks that they say will carry up a satellite. Of course, the tech needed for a rocket launch goes against the forbiddance of ballistic missile tech placed on NK by the UN.



    Japan and Korea are pretty anxious about the launch. Japan has moved Aegis destroyers into the sea between the Korean peninsula and Japan interceptor missiles to strategic points along the announced flint path, and around Tokyo just in case.



    With all the war hawks in the US, and some possibly here on PO, I'm surprised by how little attention this seems to be getting in the US as NK already has the tech to make a nuclear bomb whereas Iran is still some ways off. This rocket launch, if successful, would put American bases in the Pacific at potential risk; it could possibly show NK has the ability to reach Alaska with a launch.



    Where are the war drums?



    Or is it that NK doesn't have oil?



    We should worry about North Korea and not Iran as I ran has no nuclear weapons to speak at all. It is a political motive for the Republicans to start this crap about Iran because they have plenty of oil which many countries need including us.More fear made by the Republicans!
  • tontontonton Posts: 14,063member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by marvfox View Post


    We should worry about North Korea and not Iran as I ran has no nuclear weapons to speak at all. It is a political motive for the Republicans to start this crap about Iran because they have plenty of oil which many countries need including us.More fear made by the Republicans!



    Actually, it just hit me that there's no plan to seize the oil. There wasn't a plan to seize oil in Iraq. I'm sure I'm not the first one to realize this, and I'm sure I'll be attacked by the right wing for being behind the curve with regard to liberal talking points (actually I NEVER use talking points).



    The plan was neither to seize oil nor to strengthen trade between the target country and the US. The plan was to destroy the target country's production efficiency, at least for a while.



    That allows American (and Canadian and European) oil producers to sell their oil at a higher price, making those people billions.



    And that's exactly what has been happening.



    Now ask yourself... why are you REALLY paying more at the pump?
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,268member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tonton View Post


    Actually, it just hit me that there's no plan to seize the oil. There wasn't a plan to seize oil in Iraq. I'm sure I'm not the first one to realize this, and I'm sure I'll be attacked by the right wing for being behind the curve with regard to liberal talking points (actually I NEVER use talking points).



    The plan was neither to seize oil nor to strengthen trade between the target country and the US. The plan was to destroy the target country's production efficiency, at least for a while.



    That allows American (and Canadian and European) oil producers to sell their oil at a higher price, making those people billions.



    And that's exactly what has been happening.



    Now ask yourself... why are you REALLY paying more at the pump?



    Foreign companies, especially US and UK companies most definitely have and continue to exploit Iraq for its oil.
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,268member
    Faith predominantly on the side of the poor and sharing in the UK. Is that really what God wants!?





    "The research, revealed in a new report by the thinktank Demos, undermines the widely held view that members of religious groups are more likely to have conservative tendencies.



    The report found that 55% of people with faith placed themselves on the left of politics, compared with 40% who placed themselves on the right. The report also suggests that people with faith are more likely to value equality over freedom than their non-religious counterparts. It discloses that 41% of people with religious views prioritise equality over freedom, compared with 36% of those without faith.



    The report, based on an analysis of the European Values Study, also finds evidence that people who belong to a religious organisation are more likely to say they are very interested in politics, to have signed a petition and to have participated in a demonstration.



    The writer and philosopher Alain de Botton ? whose latest book, Religion for Atheists, examines the consolations of faith for those who do not believe ? argues that the internal dynamics of religions often confer progressive views on their followers, who find themselves at odds with today's free-market society.



    "The progressive side of religion springs from their frequent reminders to live for others and to concentrate more on the wellbeing of the group than on the happiness of the individual," de Botton said. "In this sense, religions run counter to the implicit philosophy of modern consumer capitalism.""

    ~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...leftwing-demos
  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post


    Surprised that this isn't a thread, so I'll post it here.



    North Korea plans to launch a rocket in the coming weeks that they say will carry up a satellite. Of course, the tech needed for a rocket launch goes against the forbiddance of ballistic missile tech placed on NK by the UN.



    Japan and Korea are pretty anxious about the launch. Japan has moved Aegis destroyers into the sea between the Korean peninsula and Japan interceptor missiles to strategic points along the announced flint path, and around Tokyo just in case.



    With all the war hawks in the US, and some possibly here on PO, I'm surprised by how little attention this seems to be getting in the US as NK already has the tech to make a nuclear bomb whereas Iran is still some ways off. This rocket launch, if successful, would put American bases in the Pacific at potential risk; it could possibly show NK has the ability to reach Alaska with a launch.



    Where are the war drums?



    Or is it that NK doesn't have oil?



    Great news North Korea rocket was a dismal failure today. They look like real idiots in the eyes of other countries now..Screw them!
  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,268member
    This site on an iPhone is now useless. The text is often tiny and requires endless scrolling.

  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,172member


     


     


    Honestly, I'm not surprised.  My belief is that all the debate about wiretapping and government surveillance is nothing but a smokescreen. and that the government has been essentially reading/listening to EVERYTHING for at least 30 years if not longer.  

  • bergermeisterbergermeister Posts: 6,784member


    The auto mailing system is sending me posts by users who are on my Ignore List with good cause; do I need to remake the list?


     


    It is hard to not read some of the posts that arrive and it is frustrating having to waste time deleting the mail messages.

  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,268member


    Donald Trump makes a total buffoon out of himself yet again. 


     


    It's funny though.


     


     


    "The outspoken businessman is giving his views to MSPs probing the Scottish Government’s renewable energy targets.


    Mr Trump is an outspoken critic of wind farms and bitterly opposes an offshore turbine development near the site of his golf course in Aberdeenshire.


    He said: “This is a very, very serious problem that we are addressing. In my opinion, it is one of the most serious problems that Scotland will have or has had.”


    He offered support to technologies such as wind and wave, but warned: “Wind turbines, made in China, are going to be the destruction - almost a total destruction - of your tourism industry.”


     


    A survey for tourism body VisitScotland, published yesterday, found that four out of five people said wind farms do not affect their decisions over where to holiday in the UK.


     


    The Scottish Government wants renewable energy sources to meet the existing demand for electricity by 2020.


     


    But Mr Trump went on to tell MSPs: “Many countries have decided they don’t want wind, because it doesn’t work without massive subsidies, it kills massive amounts of birds and wildlife and there are lots of other reasons.


     


    “It’s a very inefficient form of energy, it’s an energy that when you need it most you don’t get it because the wind isn’t blowing when you need it most.”


     


    He claimed the subsidies needed to support wind power developments were “enormous” and added that wind farms were “so unattractive, so noisy, so ugly and so dangerous”.


     


    Mr Trump continued: “If Scotland does this, I think Scotland will be in serious trouble.


    “You will lose your tourism industry to Ireland and lots of other places that are laughing at what Scotland is doing.”


     


    However, SNP MSPs on the committee pressed Mr Trump on his belief that wind farms would damage the tourism sector.


    Chic Brodie said there had been a 9% increase in tourism visits to Scotland last year and pointed to research by VisitScotland in which 80% of people in the UK said the presence of a wind farm would not affect their decision


    about where to stay when on a holiday or short break in Britain.


     


    The South of Scotland MSP asked the US tycoon what analysis he had that “supports the assertions you have made against wind”.


     


    But Mr Trump insisted he was “an expert on tourism”.


     


    He told MSPs: “I have won many many awards over the last short period of time, let alone long period of time. My clubs are rated amongst the best in the world.


    “I am an expert on tourism. If you dot your landscape with these horrible, horrible structures, you will do tremendous damage.”


    Mr Brodie demanded Mr Trump produce “clinical evidence” to support his views.


    However, the American insisted: “I am the evidence. I am an expert in tourism, I am considered a world-class expert in tourism, so when you say where is the evidence, I am the evidence.”"


    ~ http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/donald-trump-warns-holyrood-committee-wind-farms-will-kill-scottish-tourism-1-2254046

  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,268member


    Is the government really allowed to record all our phone calls, e-mails and every other electronic data relating to us? It seems, no make that "is", an outrageous violation of privacy. And yet recently Apple had politicians at their heels about a few gps data points they'd collected. Isn't this far worse?


     


    The following is a great article on how by September 2013 the US government will have all your info stored in one neat place....to catch terrorists, yeah right... :[


     


    Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.


     


    Binney left the NSA in late 2001, shortly after the agency launched its warrantless-wiretapping program. “They violated the Constitution setting it up,” he says bluntly. “But they didn’t care. They were going to do it anyway, and they were going to crucify anyone who stood in the way. When they started violating the Constitution, I couldn’t stay.” Binney says Stellar Wind was far larger than has been publicly disclosed and included not just eavesdropping on domestic phone calls but the inspection of domestic email. At the outset the program recorded 320 million calls a day, he says, which represented about 73 to 80 percent of the total volume of the agency’s worldwide intercepts. The haul only grew from there. According to Binney—who has maintained close contact with agency employees until a few years ago—the taps in the secret rooms dotting the country are actually powered by highly sophisticated software programs that conduct “deep packet inspection,” examining Internet traffic as it passes through the 10-gigabit-per-second cables at the speed of light.


     


     


    Sitting in a restaurant not far from NSA headquarters, the place where he spent nearly 40 years of his life, Binney held his thumb and forefinger close together. “We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state,” he says."


    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1

  • hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,268member


     


    Mad Elephant  Cow Disease-


     


    "Back in 1997, in response to the UK mad cow crisis, the FDA banned the longstanding practice of feeding rendered cow protein to cows, and in 2008 banned "the tissues that have the highest risk for carrying the agent thought to cause BSE"—brains and spinal tissue from cows older than 30 months—from animal feed altogether.


    But there is still at least one pathway through which cow proteins move into cow feed: the practice of feeding "poultry litter"—poultry feces mixed with bedding, spilled feed, and chicken carcasses—to cows. How does that bring cow protein into cow diets?


     


     


    Let's go back to that rendering plant in California, Baker Commodities, where the current case of BSE was discovered. Rendering plants like Baker buy downed cows and other animals and transform them into a variety of products, including feed for chickens. Here's how it describes one of its products, "protein meal":


    Meat and bone meal produced from the rendering process is used as a protein and energy supplement in poultry and swine feed and may also be utilized as an ingredient in the manufacture of pet food.


    Now, meat and bone meal from cows is explicitly banned from cow diets. But it ends up in chicken feed; a significant amount of it spills into bedding and ends up in poultry litter; and poultry litter gets fed back to cows.


    Official numbers on just how much poultry litter ends up in bovine diets is hard to come by. But with corn and soy prices at heightened levels in recent years, feedlot operators are always looking for cheaper alternatives, and poultry litter is very much in the mix. Consumer Union's Michael Hansen claims that 2 billion pounds of chicken litter are consumed by cows each year—as much as a third of which consists of spilled feed, including bovine meat and bone meal."


    ~ http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2012/04/mad-cow-california

  • sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 16,172member


     


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    Is the government really allowed to record all our phone calls, e-mails and every other electronic data relating to us? It seems, no make that "is", an outrageous violation of privacy. And yet recently Apple had politicians at their heels about a few gps data points they'd collected. Isn't this far worse?


     


    The following is a great article on how by September 2013 the US government will have all your info stored in one neat place....to catch terrorists, yeah right... :[


     


    Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.


     


    Binney left the NSA in late 2001, shortly after the agency launched its warrantless-wiretapping program. “They violated the Constitution setting it up,” he says bluntly. “But they didn’t care. They were going to do it anyway, and they were going to crucify anyone who stood in the way. When they started violating the Constitution, I couldn’t stay.” Binney says Stellar Wind was far larger than has been publicly disclosed and included not just eavesdropping on domestic phone calls but the inspection of domestic email. At the outset the program recorded 320 million calls a day, he says, which represented about 73 to 80 percent of the total volume of the agency’s worldwide intercepts. The haul only grew from there. According to Binney—who has maintained close contact with agency employees until a few years ago—the taps in the secret rooms dotting the country are actually powered by highly sophisticated software programs that conduct “deep packet inspection,” examining Internet traffic as it passes through the 10-gigabit-per-second cables at the speed of light.


     


     


    Sitting in a restaurant not far from NSA headquarters, the place where he spent nearly 40 years of his life, Binney held his thumb and forefinger close together. “We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state,” he says."


    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1



     


    Do you honestly believe such as program as created "during the Bush Administration?"  My feeling on this is that the debate on warrantless tapping of certain communications, this issue raised in the article and pretty much every privacy debate in the last 30 years are all nothing but distractions.  That is, my belief is the government has been doing this far longer than anyone realizes.  And yes, most of it is directed at security.  Look at our history of terrorist attacks on American soil as compared to nations in Europe and elsewhere.  We had 9/11 and the 93 WTC bombing.  We had the OKC bombing.  Other than those, we've had few if any major terrorist attacks.  I can't believe that this is due to luck, or the fact that we have those two great oceans on either side of us.   I think the government has been monitoring phone calls, e-mail and internet traffic for some time (most likely automated).  


     


    Let me be clear, I don't celebrate this.  However, I do think there is an argument that it's necessary.  No one (including me) likes to say it, because we all would like if things like this weren't done and/or we lived in society with actual rights of privacy.  Realistically though, I don't think that's true.  


     


     

  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member


    At least Obama is trying to have Russia become a friend of ours instead of an enemy.It is crucial when we have to rely on them for a space ride now.I do not trust Putin though!

     

  • marvfoxmarvfox Posts: 2,275member


    Why is there a better country than the U.S. A to live in now.I sincerely doubt that.

     

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