Not in this instance, I'm talking about the freedom of comapnies like Apple or Netflix to be able to buy the bandwidth they need and be assured that they get that bandwidth when they need it. It is a very serious issue.
Where does it stop? Does Apple and NetFlix have to pay every cable and internet provider in the world protection money?
Exactly. This how it should be. In fact I would go so far as to say that everyone should pay by the bit, with discount pricing tiers. Unfortunately bandwidth hogs have ruined unlimited data plans offered by broadband providers.
You should never have to pay the second or third network peer for data. The requesters of that data should pay. The provider of the data should never have pay once they have paid their primary provider. Networks on the route to the requester should accept all traffic to the last hop unless it is an attack.
"everyone should pay by the bit" are you insane? This is exactly how the phone companies used to/do work but are thankfully moving away from.
Wait, how do you not see the fundamental difference in banning a physical object vs. banning something that by definition now has to go through government-regulated channels?
Yes. It is much easier to ban physical objects. Data types can easily be obfuscated. Want to try again?
Exactly. This how it should be. In fact I would go so far as to say that everyone should pay by the bit, with discount pricing tiers. Unfortunately bandwidth hogs have ruined unlimited data plans offered by broadband providers.
You should never have to pay the second or third network peer for data. The requesters of that data should pay. The provider of the data should never have pay once they have paid their primary provider. Networks on the route to the requester should accept all traffic to the last hop unless it is an attack.
You hit the nail on the had with something important. Yes, cable companies could or should charge bandwidth hogs. For example, if you consume a lot of Netflix, they should charge you more (instead of telling Netflix to pay more).
They won't. Because they don't want to go there. You know why? That'll open the door wide open to a demand for la carte pricing: in other words, they'll need to give us credit for the 200 crappy channels bundled into our plans that we never watch.
Basically, these price-gouging monopolists want it their way, every which way. The new rules put them on notice.
This ruling doesn't change how the internet has been running all along. It doesn't prevent companies such as Apple from buying bigger pipes, OC3 or whatever the high speed lines are now.
This is exactly the point. The OC3 or giganet speeds you can buy from your primary provider effectively stop at the first network peering data center. Once the packets reach Comcast, for example, they can intentionally throttle it.
This is exactly the point. The OC3 or giganet speeds you can buy from your primary provider effectively stop at the first network peering data center. Once the packets reach Comcast, for example, they can intentionally throttle it.
That's why we need Net Neutrality, so they can't do that.
Beyond that I can see all sorts of problems with access now. Your next OS download will have to compete for bandwidth with every porn site start up trying to make a quick buck.
Considering legal porn is protected by the first amendment, That is the way it should be.
Or are you against the first amendment? That does seem to be what you are saying!
Wireless companies are moving back to pay by the bit. You cannot buy unlimited data from AT&T or Verizon today.
No, you're wrong. They are moving towards unlimited. Sprint has unlimited and T-Mobile is allowing you to carry over data. Carry over minutes essentially lead to unlimited voice minutes.
No, you're wrong. They are moving towards unlimited. Sprint has unlimited and T-Mobile is allowing you to carry over data. Carry over minutes essentially lead to unlimited voice minutes.
We are talking about data not voice minutes. The carry over is new to AT&T and it only applies to the previous month. You cannot accumulate data capacity past one month and that data is used last. As I said there is no unlimited data on AT&T or Verizon and hasn't been for quite some time. Paying by the amount consumed is the only fair way to price something. All you can eat restaurants rely on the fact that you can't eat more than your stomach will hold and their food isn't very good. With the internet, people can literally download 24/7 so they had to do something or their network would crash. The same thing needs to happen with broadband in my opinion.
The carry over is new to AT&T and it only applies to the previous month. You cannot accumulate data capacity past one month and that data is used last. As I said there is no unlimited data on AT&T or Verizon and hasn't been for quite some time. Paying by the amount consumed is the only fair way to price something. All you can eat restaurants rely on the fact that you can't eat more than your stomach will hold and their food isn't very good. With the internet, people can literally download 24/7 so they had to do something or their network would crash.
Please stay in Panama. Nobody is advocating 'pay by the bit'. I didn't even mention ATT or Verizon. T-Mobiles data lasts for 12 months. They are trending this way.
Because unconstrained capitalism is just as bad as unconstrained Marxism, Socialism, Communism...
Since we haven't got Capitalism, I'd like to see evidence of that. However, we have many years of Marxism, Socialism and Communism which we can see have been abject failures.
Since we haven't got Capitalism, is like to see evidence of that. However, we have many years of Marxism, Socialism and Communism which we can see have been abject failures.
What?
We have a capitalist economic system. The best economic engine there is! However, It needs to be constrained or we have a situation like we have now since Citizen United. The little people don't matter and corporations are people too. How long until the corporations have a vote and we don't?
Because unconstrained capitalism is just as bad as unconstrained Marxism, Socialism, Communism...
Since we haven't got Capitalism, is like to see evidence of that. However, we have many years of Marxism, Socialism and Communism which we can see have been abject failures.
In a thread inundated with silliness, this handily wins the award for most ridiculous assertion of the day. The "many years of" - not the "abject failures".
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Not in this instance, I'm talking about the freedom of comapnies like Apple or Netflix to be able to buy the bandwidth they need and be assured that they get that bandwidth when they need it. It is a very serious issue.
Where does it stop? Does Apple and NetFlix have to pay every cable and internet provider in the world protection money?
Exactly. This how it should be. In fact I would go so far as to say that everyone should pay by the bit, with discount pricing tiers. Unfortunately bandwidth hogs have ruined unlimited data plans offered by broadband providers.
You should never have to pay the second or third network peer for data. The requesters of that data should pay. The provider of the data should never have pay once they have paid their primary provider. Networks on the route to the requester should accept all traffic to the last hop unless it is an attack.
"everyone should pay by the bit" are you insane? This is exactly how the phone companies used to/do work but are thankfully moving away from.
Yes. It is much easier to ban physical objects. Data types can easily be obfuscated. Want to try again?
Exactly. This how it should be. In fact I would go so far as to say that everyone should pay by the bit, with discount pricing tiers. Unfortunately bandwidth hogs have ruined unlimited data plans offered by broadband providers.
You should never have to pay the second or third network peer for data. The requesters of that data should pay. The provider of the data should never have pay once they have paid their primary provider. Networks on the route to the requester should accept all traffic to the last hop unless it is an attack.
You hit the nail on the had with something important. Yes, cable companies could or should charge bandwidth hogs. For example, if you consume a lot of Netflix, they should charge you more (instead of telling Netflix to pay more).
They won't. Because they don't want to go there. You know why? That'll open the door wide open to a demand for la carte pricing: in other words, they'll need to give us credit for the 200 crappy channels bundled into our plans that we never watch.
Basically, these price-gouging monopolists want it their way, every which way. The new rules put them on notice.
This is exactly the point. The OC3 or giganet speeds you can buy from your primary provider effectively stop at the first network peering data center. Once the packets reach Comcast, for example, they can intentionally throttle it.
This is exactly the point. The OC3 or giganet speeds you can buy from your primary provider effectively stop at the first network peering data center. Once the packets reach Comcast, for example, they can intentionally throttle it.
That's why we need Net Neutrality, so they can't do that.
Wireless companies are moving back to pay by the bit. You cannot buy unlimited data from AT&T or Verizon today.
Beyond that I can see all sorts of problems with access now. Your next OS download will have to compete for bandwidth with every porn site start up trying to make a quick buck.
Considering legal porn is protected by the first amendment, That is the way it should be.
Or are you against the first amendment? That does seem to be what you are saying!
Wireless companies are moving back to pay by the bit. You cannot buy unlimited data from AT&T or Verizon today.
No, you're wrong. They are moving towards unlimited. Sprint has unlimited and T-Mobile is allowing you to carry over data. Carry over minutes essentially lead to unlimited voice minutes.
Why do the people who cry for "freedom" the most openly welcome the boot heal of government regulation?
Because unconstrained capitalism is just as bad as unconstrained Marxism, Socialism, Communism...
No, you're wrong. They are moving towards unlimited. Sprint has unlimited and T-Mobile is allowing you to carry over data. Carry over minutes essentially lead to unlimited voice minutes.
We are talking about data not voice minutes. The carry over is new to AT&T and it only applies to the previous month. You cannot accumulate data capacity past one month and that data is used last. As I said there is no unlimited data on AT&T or Verizon and hasn't been for quite some time. Paying by the amount consumed is the only fair way to price something. All you can eat restaurants rely on the fact that you can't eat more than your stomach will hold and their food isn't very good. With the internet, people can literally download 24/7 so they had to do something or their network would crash. The same thing needs to happen with broadband in my opinion.
The carry over is new to AT&T and it only applies to the previous month. You cannot accumulate data capacity past one month and that data is used last. As I said there is no unlimited data on AT&T or Verizon and hasn't been for quite some time. Paying by the amount consumed is the only fair way to price something. All you can eat restaurants rely on the fact that you can't eat more than your stomach will hold and their food isn't very good. With the internet, people can literally download 24/7 so they had to do something or their network would crash.
Please stay in Panama. Nobody is advocating 'pay by the bit'. I didn't even mention ATT or Verizon. T-Mobiles data lasts for 12 months. They are trending this way.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Nothing, I apologize.
In regards to the 'pay by the bit', how would you account for spam, web ads, popups and other intrusive nonsense?
Since we haven't got Capitalism, I'd like to see evidence of that. However, we have many years of Marxism, Socialism and Communism which we can see have been abject failures.
Verizon is having a childish tantrum. It just issued its statement condemning the FCC's decision - in Morse Code.
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Since we haven't got Capitalism, is like to see evidence of that. However, we have many years of Marxism, Socialism and Communism which we can see have been abject failures.
What?
We have a capitalist economic system. The best economic engine there is! However, It needs to be constrained or we have a situation like we have now since Citizen United. The little people don't matter and corporations are people too. How long until the corporations have a vote and we don't?
Valid point. I wish Apple would allow ad blockers on Mobile Safari. That is the main reason I don't use my iOS devices for surfing the web.
With respect to web ads: Even the most annoying jam packed web ads page, the ads themselves probably contribute and extra 200KB at most.
AT&T charges $10 per GB so the obnoxious page costs about $0.002 extra just for the ads.
As far as spam is concerned, if you are using Apple, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, you get almost zero spam due to superb filtering.
Because unconstrained capitalism is just as bad as unconstrained Marxism, Socialism, Communism...
Since we haven't got Capitalism, is like to see evidence of that. However, we have many years of Marxism, Socialism and Communism which we can see have been abject failures.
In a thread inundated with silliness, this handily wins the award for most ridiculous assertion of the day. The "many years of" - not the "abject failures".