Review: Apple's 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2021
Apple's new 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar embraces the future, delivering it in a super light, portable, attractive and expensive package. But are users ready to embrace that future? And does the 13-inch model have enough horsepower and connectivity? Find out in AppleInsider's full review.




At its base configuration, $1,799 the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar ships with an 2.9-gigahertz Intel dual-core Core i5 and integrated Iris 550 graphics. The processor options themselves are slightly faster than last year's MacBook Pros, but most users won't notice the difference, as the biggest enhancements come from other internal changes and an entirely new chassis.

A welcome change is faster 2,133-megahertz RAM. The base configuration includes 8 gigabytes for the 13-inch model, though it can be doubled to 16 gigabytes. There is no 32-gigabyte option, on either the 13- or 15-inch models.

Also new this year is a space gray option. The MacBook Pro can also be purchased in silver, but there are no gold or rose gold shades like with the 12-inch MacBook.

The default configuration also includes 256 gigabytes of storage.

For our review, AppleInsider tested a top-of-the-line configuration, featuring a 3.3-gigahertz Intel Core i7 processor with 16 gigabytes of RAM and a 512-gigabyte solid-state flash hard drive, carrying a suggested price of $2,499.


Touch Bar

We like it a lot -- but for now, it's a work in progress.

Arguably the biggest change for this year's update, the Touch Bar comes naturally and works exceptionally well for certain functions. After a few days of use, there are some applications we found invaluable, while others were superfluous.

As with all new input methods, the Touch Bar will take some time to mature and find its best uses.

Of note: Customization is key. Apple has made great efforts to give users the ability to tailor the Touch Bar as they need. It's great.

We don't really use Siri in macOS Sierra, so we swapped out the dedicated Siri button. Of more value to me was a screenshot tool, which we added to the quick Control Strip on the far right side. Tapping that icon brings up the screenshot select tool, replacing the need to use the keyboard command Shift-Command-4.

Because it's context sensitive, the Touch Bar then displays a series of options after the screenshot tool is tapped. Options displayed include Cancel, Selected Portion, Window, Entire Screen, and a Save To location chooser.




This is just one, small example, but there are dozens of these across macOS Sierra. Another great one: Playing music in iTunes brings up a fourth, temporary link to Control Strip, and tapping it allows for more advanced music controls, including scrubbing and skipping tracks.

All of this goes to show how the Touch Bar will mean different things to different people. We feel confident that most users will find utility in it.

Another use that stood out to us was in Safari. By default, open tabs are displayed at the center of the Touch Bar, in the form of icons that show prominent graphics from each open tab.

With the Touch Bar, switching between tabs is a breeze. Simply tap on the icon for each tab, or drag your finger across to quickly browse between open tabs. After a few days of using it and coming to rely on it, it makes going back to a non-Touch Bar Mac feel different and subpar.




The usefulness of the Touch Bar is less apparent in other apps. We could see where some users who struggle with typing might appreciate the QuickType predictive suggestions, but for touch typists like us, this feature was completely worthless.

There's even Touch Bar support integrated into Terminal, including a quick link to change the background color of the window. How necessary is this for a dedicated button? Not very, obviously. But it's not like it gets in the way of using the app.

Touch ID

It works, and it's fast.

Logging in to your MacBook Pro with Touch ID when returning from sleep is quick and simple, just as you'd expect. The process is just as fast -- if not faster -- as it is on a newer iPhone.

Apple Pay is here too, allowing you to securely enter credit card payment information on participating websites. At the moment, Apple Pay support on the web is somewhat limited, but support is growing -- and we expect that to accelerate now that Touch ID is integrated into the Mac itself. Previously, users had to find their iPhone to authorize a purchase.




There is one key way that Touch ID on the MacBook Pro is even better than on iOS: faster user switching.

With a different person's fingerprint scanned, you can quickly and securely switch between active users on the MacBook Pro.

It feels inevitable that multiple-account, multiple-fingerprint support will eventually make its way to iOS devices, particularly as they become more powerful and feature complete. But for now, Apple has only focused on multiple accounts on iPad for education use.

We could really only find one downside to Touch ID on the MacBook Pro: Unfortunately, if you completely shut down your notebook, you must reenter your password to login. This shouldn't come as a surprise -- it's a security decision, and it operates identically to Touch ID on iOS devices.

But you should know that if you're the type of person who shuts down your computer on a daily basis, you'll still be required to enter your password every time you reboot, negating at least some of the convenience of Touch ID.

Aside from this minor quibble, we're extremely pleased with Touch ID on the MacBook Pro and think it's a great addition to the Mac lineup.

USB-C

The switch to USB-C is a mixed bag.

Yes, if you connect a number of devices to your MacBook Pro, you're going to need to buy dongles, adapters, hubs, or new cables. With USB-C (and Bluetooth) remaining in our lives for the foreseeable future, this seems like a one-time painful transition, thankfully eased slightly by Apple with discounts on compatible cables.

We had a USB-C to Lightning cable handy that allowed us to plug in and charge our iPhone and iPad with ease. But Apple does not ship any of its devices with this cable (yet), and we imagine it will be an inconvenience for some users.




It's also worth noting that Apple does not sell a USB-C connected Apple Watch magnetic charging cable (likely because the cable only supplies power, not data). If you're the type of person who likes to charge your Apple devices through your MacBook, you'll need a dock to re-energize your Apple Watch.

The reversible USB-C ports also feature integrated support for Thunderbolt 3.

Thunderbolt 3 has a lot of potential, but like the two previous generations of Thunderbolt before it, we're not holding our breath for a variety of speedy accessories just yet. Thunderbolt never quite caught on like we would have hoped, aside from some monitors and external hard drive arrays.

With Thunderbolt 3, there's reason to be excited again, but it's going to take time for accessories to come to market. Hope for the best, but don't expect much in the near term.




Though some professional-grade users have decried Apple's complete embrace of USB-C, we can't fault the company for its approach, and think it's better than leaving one foot in the present and one in the past.

Yes, users who are tied to numerous legacy USB accessories, or who may be dongle averse, will want to sit out this generation and wait for the rest of the computing world to catch up. But we don't think most users will be that bothered by Apple's forward thinking.

No more MagSafe

Et tu, MacBook Pro?

Perhaps the biggest advantage of switching to USB-C is the fact that any of the device's four ports can be used to power and recharge the notebook. We found this to be especially convenient depending on where you are using the notebook -- there's no longer a need to wrap your power cable around to the other side (and risk an early fraying of the wire) to keep it charged.

However, we must lament that the switch to USB-C for charging means the loss of MagSafe.

MagSafe has long been a defining, stand-out feature for Apple's notebook lineup. We cannot count how many times our MacBooks have been saved from certain death when someone trips over the power cord.




That quick-attachment, quick-release advantage is gone with the switch to USB-C. The cable plugs in snugly and securely, and if someone yanks on your power cord, your MacBook Pro is liable to go flying.

For some, this may not be a big deal. For us, we view it as a step backwards.

This change is not a surprise -- Apple signaled it in 2015 with the launch of the ultraportable 12-inch MacBook. However, that notebook only has one USB-C port for syncing and charging, and thankfully the MacBook Pro has four.

Keyboard

It's different.

Like the 12-inch MacBook before it, Apple has transitioned to an entirely new style of chiclet keyboard for the MacBook Pro. It's a full-size keyboard, complete with the same weird arrow keys. It feels different.

After typing on it for a few minutes, you won't really notice a difference physically. It's responsive and it feels good.




A more lasting change, however, still noticeable after adjusting to the MacBook Pro, is the loudness of the keyboard. That's right: It's noticeably louder than the previous-generation MacBook Pro.

We suspect most people won't notice or care about this, or they'll adjust to it. And frankly the fact that the redesigned switch style doesn't bother us is the best thing we can say for the new, thinner keyboard. It's not a problem, but you should know that it is different.

Retina display

Gorgeous gets even prettier.

The Retina display on Apple's late 2016 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar includes support for wide color. This means that a truer, more dynamic range of colors is visible on the panel.




In a side by side comparison of the latest MacBook Pro with a 2015 model, the new display is noticeably brighter, and colors do pop a bit more. That said, Apple's past Retina displays have also been fantastic, so unless you're specifically doing a side-by-side comparison or have a need for wide color support, you're unlikely to notice.

Perhaps even more impressively, the new MacBook Pro display is brighter with more accurate and vibrant colors while also being noticeably thinner than previous MacBook Pro panels.

As a side effect of the panel being thinner, the Apple logo on the back of the MacBook Pro no longer illuminates. The bezel around the outside of the screen has also been reduced, reflecting a smaller footprint for the 13-inch model when compared to its predecessor.

Design

It's thinner, and better.

That smaller footprint is felt in a number of areas, including a reduced weight down to just 3 pounds.

With an all-aluminum chassis, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is also svelte at just 14.9-millimeters thick. It's an impressive achievement in design.




Despite a reduction in size, Apple has managed to fit in a substantially larger multi-touch trackpad, allowing users more room to sweep across the display. The trackpad now features something of a "widescreen" ratio, matching the display above it.

As with the 2015 MacBook Pro update, the 2016 13-inch model features the incredibly impressive Force Touch trackpad. Most users won't even notice that the trackpad itself does not click -- using Apple's proprietary haptic feedback technology, it simply feels like a click when pressed.

The speakers are also considerably louder, and are particularly good for a super thin and light 13-inch notebook.




Prior to getting our hands on the new MacBook Pro, we were worried that the aesthetics of the speaker grilles on the sides of the keyboard might be a downgrade from the all-aluminum surface found on previous models. Fear not, as the speaker grilles are understated and attractive, and the sound itself is a big improvement. In a side-by-side comparison with last year's 13-inch model, the improvement was pronounced.

Oh, also: Unlike the iPhone 7, the 2016 MacBook Pro still features a 3.5-millimeter headphone jack. Put down your pitchforks.

Performance

Do you need power, or portability?

When it comes to choosing a MacBook Pro, for years the tradeoff has been in graphics. While the 15-inch model has a large enough frame to fit in its own discrete graphics card, the 13-inch model offers no such luxury.

That hasn't changed this year.




Over the years, Intel's integrated graphics have come a long way. But they still do not have the raw horsepower to compete with a dedicated GPU.

For those who need the extra horsepower, the 13-inch MacBook Pro has never been and will never be a consideration. That remains the case, and this review is not for those users.

As the sum of its parts, Apple's late-2016 13-inch MacBook Pro with Intel Iris 550 is more than capable enough to handle most daily tasks users can throw at it, including extensive multitasking with numerous tabs and apps open at once.

Everyone's workflow is different, but if you're an occasional Photoshop or Final Cut Pro X user who isn't shooting Canon 5D 30.4MP photos or 4K Phantom footage, you'll likely have more than enough here to get you through the next three to four years of use.




As for battery life, our tests showed the new MacBook Pro with Touch Bar comparable to the last few generations of MacBook Pro models. We had no problem getting through a standard work day with brightness set to a lower setting and using Wi-Fi connectivity for tasks like browsing the web and checking email. Bringing more intensive tasks into the fold, such as editing video, would prevent 8-plus hours, however. Apple's own tech specs advertise up to 10 hours of uptime when browsing the web.

To future-proof your machine, we would advise that most users opt for the 16-gigabyte RAM upgrade. Sticking with a 256-gigabyte SSD is not ideal, but since storage can be easily expanded with external drives, the RAM should be the first choice in upgrading for most users.

As we noted in our 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar review, some professional and prosumer users with needs for more RAM and processing power than Apple's latest notebooks can deliver are either going to wait for future Intel components to arrive, or they'll need to invest in a desktop machine. If you're in that camp, the 13-inch MacBook Pro is not a candidate for daily use. And it never was.

Our MacBook Pro came with a dual core Intel Core i7-6567U CPU clocked at 3.3GHz, good enough for a single-core score of 4,321 and a multi-core score of 8,270 as measured through the Geekbench 4 benchmarking suite.

For those who praise portability but need more ports and horsepower than the 12-inch MacBook, the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar delivers. Though the Intel processor is not a significant improvement from a year ago, Apple's super-small chassis offers what remains the most powerful all-around notebook in its class.



What about the model without Touch Bar?

For some, the Touch Bar may come across as a gimmick.

Those users can opt for the same chassis without a Touch Bar and save $300 in the process. That's not a small amount.

The model sans Touch Bar can even be upgraded to a Core i7 processor and 16 gigabytes of RAM, though it has slightly slower Intel Iris 540 graphics and 1,866-megahertz RAM. The entry-level model also downsizes to just two Thunderbolt 3 ports, rather than four.




To us, the question isn't so much whether the Touch Bar is worth the extra $300, but whether the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar is worth a starting price of $1,799.

If you've upgraded your Mac to a Retina display in the last two or three years, you should probably hold off. It's hard to recommend the 13-inch model with Touch Bar to you at $1,799, and anyone eyeing the $1,499 model without Touch Bar should consider waiting until they can afford the better model with faster RAM.

We're thankful the model sans Touch Bar exists, and we believe it has a market it will attract. But that market should, and likely will, remain small.

Conclusion

The first MacBook Pro with Retina display debuted in October of 2012.

Its starting price was $1,699 -- $100 cheaper than this latest-generation model with Touch Bar and USB-C.

We can't help but feel that the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar would have felt like a better value at that same $1,699 starting price. Presumably Apple felt the same way, which is likely the main reason the $1,499 model without Touch Bar exists.




While some professional users would have preferred that Apple put one foot in the future while keeping another firmly planted in the past, retaining full-size USB ports alongside new USB-C Thunderbolt 3 ports, Apple has embraced the future. And it's wise to do so.

Now it's up to end users to decide if they, too, want to embrace the future.

The future is pretty awesome. But it's also damn expensive.

Score: 4 out of 5

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How to find the lowest prices when buying

Before purchasing your new 13" MacBook Pro, make sure to check out AppleInsider's 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar Price Guide to find the lowest prices available for your desired configuration and see which Apple authorized resellers currently have your desired model in stock.

As of press time, new orders for these new 13" MacBook Pros with Touch Bar are backlogged by 4 to 5 weeks through Apple's direct and indirect sales channels, but Authorized resellers are making up for lost time with some deep discounts. Depending on the configuration, shoppers can save hundreds on their new MacBook Pro with Touch Bar by pre-ordering from an Apple authorized reseller who does not collect sales tax on orders shipped to most states.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 80
    I really, really want the 15" maxed out, but I'm opting to hold out until Feb/March to see if they do any price drops.. They usually do a small drop in the 6-12 month mark after a major release like this. They did it for new MacBook Air, Retina MacBook, and even the new MacBook, which has seen a price drop twice now.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 2 of 80
    appexappex Posts: 687member
    Summary of pros and cons would be much useful. "The reversible USB-C ports also feature integrated support for Thunderbolt 3". Not really it is the other way round: The reversible Thunderbolt 3 ports also feature integrated support for USB-C. Get the facts! TO ADMINS: carriage returns are deleted here when using Safari on Mac. I have reported that many times in the past to no avail. No problem on other sites.
    edited November 2016
  • Reply 3 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,544member
    appex said:
    Summary of pros and cons would be much useful. "The reversible USB-C ports also feature integrated support for Thunderbolt 3". Not really it is the other way round: The reversible Thunderbolt 3 ports also feature integrated support for USB-C. Get the facts! TO ADMINS: carriage returns are deleted here when using Safari on Mac. I have reported that many times in the past to no avail. No problem on other sites.
    Turn off content-blocking. Carriage returns work fine, but they generate script. If you insist upon using content and script-blockers, you need to insert the line break code to get a return. 
  • Reply 4 of 80
    dcgoodcgoo Posts: 280member
    What? ...not a word about the massively fast SSD?  I came from an early 2013 MBP, the storage performance is incredible! 
    williamlondonwatto_cobraadonissmumacxpresschiaadmiral.ashik
  • Reply 5 of 80
    xixoxixo Posts: 450member
    dcgoo said:
    What? ...not a word about the massively fast SSD?  I came from an early 2013 MBP, the storage performance is incredible! 
    nor a word about the total lack of upgradability of the SSD, or general lack of serviceability / repairability
    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+Teardown/73480

    if there turn out to be engineering errors, great sadness will ensue
    https://www.google.com/search?q=mbp+2011+gpu+failure&ie=UTF-8

    consumer value: one star
    shareholder value: five stars
    edited November 2016 bdkennedy1002elijahgmainyehcfreethinkingavon b7entropys
  • Reply 6 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,544member
    xixo said:
    dcgoo said:
    What? ...not a word about the massively fast SSD?  I came from an early 2013 MBP, the storage performance is incredible! 
    nor a word about the total lack of upgradability of the SSD, or general lack of serviceability / repairability
    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+Teardown/73480

    if there turn out to be engineering errors, great sadness will ensue
    https://www.google.com/search?q=mbp+2011+gpu+failure&ie=UTF-8

    consumer value: one star
    shareholder value: five stars
    Why rehash that crap when there's a million words written on that already? 

    This is a users' review, not a service manual. 

    Also, what does the 2011 GPU failure have to do with this machine? The Performa 5200 from 1996 had a defective display cable design. I think it's important that we keep that in mind as we discuss how useful the Touch Bar in the new MacBooks may be. 


    edited November 2016 Rayz2016williamlondonwatto_cobrabaconstangpscooter63admiral.ashik
  • Reply 7 of 80
    Why wasn't anything mentioned about the MacBook Pro not coming with extension cord? All previous MacBooks came with one and this is the first time Apple is making you buy such a simple part? It should come free like it always has. 
    bdkennedy1002elijahgmainyehcfreethinkingbaconstangavon b7entropys
  • Reply 8 of 80
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,241member
    xixo said:
    dcgoo said:
    What? ...not a word about the massively fast SSD?  I came from an early 2013 MBP, the storage performance is incredible! 
    nor a word about the total lack of upgradability of the SSD, or general lack of serviceability / repairability
    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+Teardown/73480

    if there turn out to be engineering errors, great sadness will ensue
    https://www.google.com/search?q=mbp+2011+gpu+failure&ie=UTF-8

    consumer value: one star
    shareholder value: five stars
    How often do you Macs have hardware issues? Have the issues reduced with never equipment? I constantly hear people complain about the inability to repair their computers yet the majority of people I talk to and help with software issues, don't have hardware issues, don't know they do, and generally never plan of upgrading the insides of a computer they've purchased. This website has lots of people who like to tinker and a lot of current and former IT people (me included). My best week/month was one where I didn't have to repair a computer and it was the best time for my customers (well, my co-workers but they were my customers) because it meant they could continue to work and make money. Upgrading the new isn't the same as it used to be. You can't simply expect to plug in a faster RPM hard drive like we used to. This extremely fast storage is more a part of the computer than it's ever been and people need to think that way. Buy what you are comfortable paying for then use extremely fast external drive for that data that doesn't need to be with you all the time (like movies, TV shows, etc.). As for serviceability, it's overrated. The only computers we even tried to fix where I worked were the Macs, all the PCs were simply replaced because it wasn't worth the time. I haven't seen any statistics from Apple on repairs of newer Macs to see if they actually require less repair that previous Macs but I bet they do work better, longer, and require less repair. As far as I'm concerned, consumer value is a lot more than one star and shareholder value has never had anything to do with the quality of Apple products but everything to do with the insanity of Wall Street and analysts. 

    Do you like your Mac? Would you like one of the latest MBPs? If so, then quit complaining and buy one and use it. If not, then go find a Windows PC and see it that satisfies your urge to waste your time fixing things instead of being productive.
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  • Reply 9 of 80
    rob53 said:
    Do you like your Mac? Would you like one of the latest MBPs? If so, then quit complaining and buy one and use it. If not, then go find a Windows PC and see it that satisfies your urge to waste your time fixing things instead of being productive.
    Oh burn!!!

    I've never seen it stated it better.  While I dont agree with many of the changes to the new MBP.  I realize this is what Apple has always done.  They have always been expensive.  They have always been controversial in dropping legacy ports/devices.  They have always had proprietary dongles, cables and devices.  

    But you know what else Apple has always done?  Always delivered the most stable desktop OS and rock solid software.  Always built robust, quality products that outlast, outperform and hold their value much better than their competitors.  Always provided an unmatched user experience.  

    So this 2016 MBP w/TouchBar presents potential buyers with a choice that so many previous Apple products have done.  Do you more money for the product from the company who has built a reputation of "just working"?  Or do you save some bucks, choose a competitor.. and probably end up seriously regretting a few months later.. as you find out exactly the competition costs less and creates more headaches.  
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  • Reply 10 of 80
    "But you should know that if you're the type of person who shuts down your computer on a daily basis, you'll still be required to enter your password every time you reboot, negating at least some of the convenience of Touch ID."

    What type of person is that?  Do they exist?  Ever since Apple made it so sleep was close to "free" in terms of battery drain, I've stopped shutting down except when taking something apart.  And besides, shutting down and rebooting is so much slower than sleep/wake, why would such a person care about having to enter their password?
    edited November 2016 dangermouse2watto_cobraStrangeDaysadmiral.ashik
  • Reply 11 of 80
    I dont know any MacBook user who shuts down their notebook, instead of just closing the lid and opening it again when they need to use it later.

    Now if we talking Windows.  Then yeah.. been there done that.  Man it sucks when your laptop wakes only to find the pointer frozen or missing.  Reboot time!

    edited November 2016 watto_cobrapscooter63StrangeDaysadmiral.ashik
  • Reply 12 of 80
    The model I don't understand from this range is the non-Touch Bar when upgraded to core i7. The upgrade cost is so great it's practically the same price as the Touch Bar model. I'm not convinced the type of i7 used is much more powerful than the TB i5 either. And you're missing the Touch Bar and 2 ports.

    After looking long and hard at the new models I'm considering the entry level 15" TB model. I would rather have the 13" model for portability, but the entry level spec is a bit low for me, and there's nothing worse than paying apples Configure To Order prices. I'd rather get the base 15" with quad core and 16GB, and put up with the extra size. 
  • Reply 13 of 80
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    adrayven said:
    I really, really want the 15" maxed out, but I'm opting to hold out until Feb/March to see if they do any price drops.. They usually do a small drop in the 6-12 month mark after a major release like this. They did it for new MacBook Air, Retina MacBook, and even the new MacBook, which has seen a price drop twice now.
    I don't recall that happening? Do you have any links to back that up?
  • Reply 14 of 80
    dreyfus2dreyfus2 Posts: 1,072member
    After some time with the new (15") MBP, I am mainly happy with it. Screen, speakers, SSD, performance, battery life, Touch ID: all great. The Touch Bar is useful and works very well, I just wished it would expand the default controls when using an app without support for it. Displaying an empty strip with collapsed controls on the right is silly.

    I absolutely love the keyboard, I am typing faster and with less errors than ever before. Absolutely hope Apple's next external keyboard will be the same. The improved backlighting with almost no bleeding is also great. The only minor downside is the increased noise. It is not severe, and should not make a difference in normal environments, but e.g. in a library it is a bit annoying.

    I have no problems with using adapters, but still think one USB-C to Lightning cable and one Type-A adapter should have been in the box. A machine in this price class should be usable out of the box. And since USB-C is nowhere ubiquitous as of yet, this is not the case.

    But there are a few negatives, and they should be mentioned:
    • Dell's approach in the XPS laptops (provide a normal power port, plus support charging through the USB-C port) is far superior. It allows for a proper brick with cable management, you get a light indicating charging/full. Plus they still provide an external battery indicator allowing to check battery status without powering the device up. Apple should have kept MagSafe.
    • The USB-C charging cable already looks like the Linguini Incident after a few days in my bag.
    • The new MBP has several sharp edges (around the vents and around the hinge). Not a biggie, but not something that should have escaped them either. Carrying it while holding these areas is uncomfortable.
    • Palm rejection on the bigger trackpad works fine some 99% of the time, but I experience erratic behavior once or twice per day. I hope future software updates improve that.
    • The autostart when opening feature is nice, but it introduces some problems: Demonstrating that the machine is off in security checks is impossible. Checking if the machine is powered off (e.g. before boarding flights where this is a requirement) is equally impossible.
    • I still want my sleep light back :-)

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  • Reply 15 of 80
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    dreyfus2 said:
    I have no problems with using adapters, but still think one USB-C to Lightning cable and one Type-A adapter should have been in the box. A machine in this price class should be usable out of the box. And since USB-C is nowhere ubiquitous as of yet, this is not the case.
    I don't agree with the cost of a machine should negated all environmental concerns or force in increase in price to maintain a profit margin to include all possible transitional adapters. What I would have liked Apple to do is offer an optional and free USB-C-to-Lightning cable replacement program for those that have purchased the new MacBook or MacBook Pro.
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  • Reply 16 of 80
    Why wasn't anything mentioned about the MacBook Pro not coming with extension cord? All previous MacBooks came with one and this is the first time Apple is making you buy such a simple part? It should come free like it always has. 
    Well at least it still comes with a free display, CPU and keyboard.
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  • Reply 17 of 80
    rob53 said:
    xixo said:
    dcgoo said:
    What? ...not a word about the massively fast SSD?  I came from an early 2013 MBP, the storage performance is incredible! 
    nor a word about the total lack of upgradability of the SSD, or general lack of serviceability / repairability
    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+Teardown/73480

    if there turn out to be engineering errors, great sadness will ensue
    https://www.google.com/search?q=mbp+2011+gpu+failure&ie=UTF-8

    consumer value: one star
    shareholder value: five stars
    How often do you Macs have hardware issues? Have the issues reduced with never equipment? I constantly hear people complain about the inability to repair their computers yet the majority of people I talk to and help with software issues, don't have hardware issues, don't know they do, and generally never plan of upgrading the insides of a computer they've purchased. This website has lots of people who like to tinker and a lot of current and former IT people (me included). My best week/month was one where I didn't have to repair a computer and it was the best time for my customers (well, my co-workers but they were my customers) because it meant they could continue to work and make money. Upgrading the new isn't the same as it used to be. You can't simply expect to plug in a faster RPM hard drive like we used to. This extremely fast storage is more a part of the computer than it's ever been and people need to think that way. Buy what you are comfortable paying for then use extremely fast external drive for that data that doesn't need to be with you all the time (like movies, TV shows, etc.). As for serviceability, it's overrated. The only computers we even tried to fix where I worked were the Macs, all the PCs were simply replaced because it wasn't worth the time. I haven't seen any statistics from Apple on repairs of newer Macs to see if they actually require less repair that previous Macs but I bet they do work better, longer, and require less repair. As far as I'm concerned, consumer value is a lot more than one star and shareholder value has never had anything to do with the quality of Apple products but everything to do with the insanity of Wall Street and analysts. 

    Do you like your Mac? Would you like one of the latest MBPs? If so, then quit complaining and buy one and use it. If not, then go find a Windows PC and see it that satisfies your urge to waste your time fixing things instead of being productive.
    I agree and regard repairability as a total non-issue. If a Mac of mine needed repair, which is extremely rare (probably due in no small part to the ever tighter integration including soldering in), then it would be Apple's problem, not mine.
    Rayz2016baconstangwatto_cobraadmiral.ashik
  • Reply 18 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,544member
    Soli said:
    adrayven said:
    I really, really want the 15" maxed out, but I'm opting to hold out until Feb/March to see if they do any price drops.. They usually do a small drop in the 6-12 month mark after a major release like this. They did it for new MacBook Air, Retina MacBook, and even the new MacBook, which has seen a price drop twice now.
    I don't recall that happening? Do you have any links to back that up?
    I'm confused also. Apple hardly ever adjusted prices at all over the past two decades unless new models were released. I can recall only once or twice where they made a major currency adjustment, but that was it. 

    The 2015 retina MacBook started at €1449 here in Germany - the same price the 2016 MacBook started at when it was released in April, and still does.
    edited November 2016 Soliadmiral.ashik
  • Reply 19 of 80
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,035member
    spheric said:
    Soli said:
    adrayven said:
    I really, really want the 15" maxed out, but I'm opting to hold out until Feb/March to see if they do any price drops.. They usually do a small drop in the 6-12 month mark after a major release like this. They did it for new MacBook Air, Retina MacBook, and even the new MacBook, which has seen a price drop twice now.
    I don't recall that happening? Do you have any links to back that up?
    I'm confused also. Apple hardly ever adjusted prices at all over the past two decades unless new models were released. I can recall only once or twice where they made a major currency adjustment, but that was it. 

    The 2015 retina MacBook started at €1449 here in Germany - the same price the 2016 MacBook started at when it was released in April, and still does.
    The most reasonable thing I'm seeing is, "I think Intel will release the proper Kaby Lake processors for these new MBPs in quantity so that Apple can update this new design by next Summer and will a price reduction—as they've done many times before—so I think I'll wait for the 2nd generation of the MBPwTB to come out."
  • Reply 20 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,544member
    But Kaby Lake won't bring any significant advances- except maybe DisplayPort 1.3.
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