[...] And, that rented vids could all be watched from either ATV or my computer, regardless of which 'device' I'd rented them on...
RIGHT?! It's crazy that if I rent a movie via my laptop I can't watch it through the Apple TV, and if I rent it through the Apple TV I can't watch it on the iPad or Macs! Why viewing is restricted to ONLY the device used to click "gimme" escapes me.
I must be missing something. Netflix already plays on my Apple Tv and allows multiple users all to start where they left off... what's different using it in the TV app?
It's not about resuming, it's about showing up in the new TV app on the Apple TV (and iphone and ipad). this TV app manages the state for your progress in content regardless of source provider, by suggesting the next episode, new episodes that are now available, etc. It's like a homescreen for what you're watching across all the apps, without having to navigate to the various provider apps.
It's pretty slick, but not all the providers support it yet. For this reason I've disabled it as the home-button landing screen and reverted the button to the normal homescreen behavior.
Ok thanks for the explanation. Given the Netflix app as is does everything I want superbly (especially the who is watching interface as well as continuation from where left off across devices) and we don't use any other providers or apps it seems I am all set and have no use for this aggregator app. We do use Amazon Prime also but of course there is no app for the Apple TV for that so I bought a FireStick which unfortunately requires changing HDMI input every time a switch is required, but there is no way around that I am aware of. I guess the only other use we have is the very occasional use of CNNgo but that is a real pain as it asks for re-authenticating every few days. Does the TV app solve this?
[...] And, that rented vids could all be watched from either ATV or my computer, regardless of which 'device' I'd rented them on...
RIGHT?! It's crazy that if I rent a movie via my laptop I can't watch it through the Apple TV, and if I rent it through the Apple TV I can't watch it on the iPad or Macs! Why viewing is restricted to ONLY the device used to click "gimme" escapes me.
Clearly Apple has the ability to do this, so I don't think it's a stretch to assume the rental limitations are from the content owners (studios). The same people who insist you only get 24 hours to complete a viewing.
But yes, lets blame Apple for this failing as well. As blame must lay at the feet of Apple, because Tim Cook.
I must be missing something. Netflix already plays on my Apple Tv and allows multiple users all to start where they left off... what's different using it in the TV app?
It's not about resuming, it's about showing up in the new TV app on the Apple TV (and iphone and ipad). this TV app manages the state for your progress in content regardless of source provider, by suggesting the next episode, new episodes that are now available, etc. It's like a homescreen for what you're watching across all the apps, without having to navigate to the various provider apps.
It's pretty slick, but not all the providers support it yet. For this reason I've disabled it as the home-button landing screen and reverted the button to the normal homescreen behavior.
Ok thanks for the explanation. Given the Netflix app as is does everything I want superbly (especially the who is watching interface as well as continuation from where left off across devices) and we don't use any other providers or apps it seems I am all set and have no use for this aggregator app. We do use Amazon Prime also but of course there is no app for the Apple TV for that so I bought a FireStick which unfortunately requires changing HDMI input every time a switch is required, but there is no way around that I am aware of. I guess the only other use we have is the very occasional use of CNNgo but that is a real pain as it asks for re-authenticating every few days. Does the TV app solve this?
No, the TV app cannot solve Amazon's hate for its customers and failure to produce an app for the platform. Only Jef Bezos can fix that, but he's decided not to align himself with the needs of his customers. Ooooh but Alexa.... >roll eyes< (not directed at you)
I must be missing something. Netflix already plays on my Apple Tv and allows multiple users all to start where they left off... what's different using it in the TV app?
It's not about resuming, it's about showing up in the new TV app on the Apple TV (and iphone and ipad). this TV app manages the state for your progress in content regardless of source provider, by suggesting the next episode, new episodes that are now available, etc. It's like a homescreen for what you're watching across all the apps, without having to navigate to the various provider apps.
It's pretty slick, but not all the providers support it yet. For this reason I've disabled it as the home-button landing screen and reverted the button to the normal homescreen behavior.
Ok thanks for the explanation. Given the Netflix app as is does everything I want superbly (especially the who is watching interface as well as continuation from where left off across devices) and we don't use any other providers or apps it seems I am all set and have no use for this aggregator app. We do use Amazon Prime also but of course there is no app for the Apple TV for that so I bought a FireStick which unfortunately requires changing HDMI input every time a switch is required, but there is no way around that I am aware of. I guess the only other use we have is the very occasional use of CNNgo but that is a real pain as it asks for re-authenticating every few days. Does the TV app solve this?
No, the TV app cannot solve Amazon's hate for its customers and failure to produce an app for the platform. Only Jef Bezos can fix that, but he's decided not to align himself with the needs of his customers. Ooooh but Alexa.... >roll eyes< (not directed at you)
Ha ha, roll eyes indeed ... but yes I knew that but it's hard to hate Amazon's shopping services, I couldn't live without Amazon now any more than I could Apple. Although there are times I hate Amazon for suggesting all the extra Canon camera equipment I DO WANT!!! I my last question was re CNNgo not HDMI switching though.
[...] And, that rented vids could all be watched from either ATV or my computer, regardless of which 'device' I'd rented them on...
RIGHT?! It's crazy that if I rent a movie via my laptop I can't watch it through the Apple TV, and if I rent it through the Apple TV I can't watch it on the iPad or Macs! Why viewing is restricted to ONLY the device used to click "gimme" escapes me.
Seems rather contrary to the spirit of Steve's 'grand vision', doesn't it?
It's automatically installed on the latest Apple TVs when you are updated to the latest TV OS. It is an aggregator of apps you use with added functions I gather, but I have yet to try it and see its benefits as per my posts above.
[...] And, that rented vids could all be watched from either ATV or my computer, regardless of which 'device' I'd rented them on...
RIGHT?! It's crazy that if I rent a movie via my laptop I can't watch it through the Apple TV, and if I rent it through the Apple TV I can't watch it on the iPad or Macs! Why viewing is restricted to ONLY the device used to click "gimme" escapes me.
Seems rather contrary to the spirit of Steve's 'grand vision', doesn't it?
Jobs doesn't hold the media rental rights licensed by the content owners. Hollywood's rules.
[...] And, that rented vids could all be watched from either ATV or my computer, regardless of which 'device' I'd rented them on...
RIGHT?! It's crazy that if I rent a movie via my laptop I can't watch it through the Apple TV, and if I rent it through the Apple TV I can't watch it on the iPad or Macs! Why viewing is restricted to ONLY the device used to click "gimme" escapes me.
Clearly Apple has the ability to do this, so I don't think it's a stretch to assume the rental limitations are from the content owners (studios). The same people who insist you only get 24 hours to complete a viewing.
But yes, lets blame Apple for this failing as well. As blame must lay at the feet of Apple, because Tim Cook.
Actually, you'll note that I didn't assign blame. I don't really care who's responsible. Who does what is outside my scope as the end user/consumer.
We can speculate about why the multi-device model doesn't extend to rentals, but we don't have any more grounds to blame studios than we do Apple, since we really don't know why the restriction exists. It may be a technical obstacle relating to having a title that "expires," it may be a licensing issue, or there could be some other cause neither of us has thought of.
[...] And, that rented vids could all be watched from either ATV or my computer, regardless of which 'device' I'd rented them on...
RIGHT?! It's crazy that if I rent a movie via my laptop I can't watch it through the Apple TV, and if I rent it through the Apple TV I can't watch it on the iPad or Macs! Why viewing is restricted to ONLY the device used to click "gimme" escapes me.
Seems rather contrary to the spirit of Steve's 'grand vision', doesn't it?
Jobs doesn't hold the media rental rights licensed by the content owners. Hollywood's rules.
Thanks, but I'm referring to his vision of "all of one's content on all of one's devices", an idea he was conveying over 20 years ago (and I know he wasn't the only one). In this case, since I CAN watch these media on any device (via Airplay, for instance), I don't see why it should matter which one I rented it on - it's simply the convenience factor. I think this is more to do with how Apple manages its cloud access.
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But yes, lets blame Apple for this failing as well. As blame must lay at the feet of Apple, because Tim Cook.
No, the TV app cannot solve Amazon's hate for its customers and failure to produce an app for the platform. Only Jef Bezos can fix that, but he's decided not to align himself with the needs of his customers. Ooooh but Alexa.... >roll eyes< (not directed at you)
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We can speculate about why the multi-device model doesn't extend to rentals, but we don't have any more grounds to blame studios than we do Apple, since we really don't know why the restriction exists. It may be a technical obstacle relating to having a title that "expires," it may be a licensing issue, or there could be some other cause neither of us has thought of.
an idea he was conveying over 20 years ago (and I know he wasn't the only one).
In this case, since I CAN watch these media on any device (via Airplay, for instance), I don't see why it should matter which one
I rented it on - it's simply the convenience factor.
I think this is more to do with how Apple manages its cloud access.