I'm not saying Apple should enter this market, but if they ever plan to a lot of work with Siri needs to be done. I have siri disabled on my iPhone, watch, and never use it on my mac because the time siri wastes trying to figure out my request I could have done it myself.
I don't know where the HW stops and the SW service begins, but Alexa is absolutely amazing in being able to understand my commands. Nothing found on the major smartphones even comes close.
Oh stop, you're embarrassing Alexa with your adulation.
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As I have said many a time I am a huge home automation skeptic, though I am open to anything. Maybe over time it will all become so natural that it will be like opening the fridge and the light is automatically on
I truly fear for this company. When the iPhone fades it's hard to see what is going to keep this company afloat.
I dont feel like Apple has had a SW or HW hit product in years. Cook keeps rambling about how amazing AI is, please just shut up and prove it.
Anyone that doubts the the efficacy of voice assistants for the home clearly didn't pay attention to the holiday season and the momentum Echo has.
Siri is not omnipresent. I have 2 Google Home and an Echo dot and both crush Siri
Aside from the totally embarrassing, non-practical application of a dedicated device that sits in one place, that you must either stand next to or shout at from a distance. They are not serious products with a real application.
I truly fear for this company. When the iPhone fades it's hard to see what is going to keep this company afloat.
I dont feel like Apple has had a SW or HW hit product in years. Cook keeps rambling about how amazing AI is, please just shut up and prove it.
Anyone that doubts the the efficacy of voice assistants for the home clearly didn't pay attention to the holiday season and the momentum Echo has.
Siri is not omnipresent. I have 2 Google Home and an Echo dot and both crush Siri
Aside from the totally embarrassing, non-practical application of a dedicated device that sits in one place, that you must either stand next to or shout at from a distance. They are not serious products with a real application.
And your TV and every other appliance in your home is also "totally embarrassing, non-practical application of a dedicated device that sits in one place" because? Does your alarm clock follow you around the house or does it reside in one place, likely on your nightstand? What about those who have physical disabilities that don't allow them to easily grab a device or the speed in which many tasks can be performed without going through touchscreens? Do you never use Siri or OK Google for even something simple, like a timer? What about when trying to use your touchscreen device with wet, full, or dirty hands, as is often the case when you're in the bathroom or kitchen?
Perhaps they should open up Siri to 3rd party speaker manufacturers and part of MFI program and they can let others do it for them.
You are apparently unaware of Apple's business model for the entire history of the company. Apple is not going to open up Siri to third party manufacturers so that they can use Apple's voice to create an electronic train wreck in every home.
Here's another reason Apple probably isn't going to create one of these things. The entire point of HomeKit is to create a more secure home automation system. Why put device manufacturers through the ringer to have their locks and cameras and whatnot approved for this more secure system if Apple was then going to manufacture a device that makes defeating all that security easy?
Picture the burglar who scopes out your home, listening in and waiting until you've gone out. He then hides in the bushes near your den and says, loudly, "Hey Siri, turn off the cameras! Hey Siri, turn off the alarm! Hey Siri, unlock the back door!"
If your iPhone was the controller for these things, even if you'd left it behind, it would respond to those commands with "You'll have to unlock your iPhone first!" End of story.
On the other hand, if Siri was controlled by an echo-like device, there would be no keypad or fingerprint sensor, because that defeats its purpose. In that case, with such a device sitting at the ready in your den, the response would be to turn off the cameras, disable the alarm, and unlock the back door. How very convenient!
Perhaps they should open up Siri to 3rd party speaker manufacturers and part of MFI program and they can let others do it for them.
They could do this with an iPod Update. Add wifi and siri to the current iPod nano and every existing speaker dock out there becomes Siri and Apple Music compatible. At the same time if they can re-engineer the shuffle to add wifi then it could also become the basis of the MFI compatibility chip.
Perhaps they should open up Siri to 3rd party speaker manufacturers and part of MFI program and they can let others do it for them.
They could do this with an iPod Update. Add wifi and siri to the current iPod nano and every existing speaker dock out there becomes Siri and Apple Music compatible. At the same time if they can re-engineer the shuffle to add wifi then it could also become the basis of the MFI compatibility chip.
Of course they aren't making one. It is a gimmick, toy product. Meant as cheap gifts for tech hounds, but no real practical usage whatsoever.
The entire concept is flawed.
Correct in my opinion. These gadgets are toys, including Siri. They will not change the world the way smartphones did. Fads cone and go. Remember just a year or so ago when Apple was being flogged for “missing” the VR stampede? Well that turned out to be a short lived fad didn’t it. Then it was AR that Apple supposedly failed to realize but Tim Cook says will be huge so we’ll have to wait and see on that one. Now it’s voice assistants. None of these gadgets are selling in any number that will compete or topple smartphones, laptops, desktops. Just take a gander at all the YouTube videos of people playing with and trying to confuse Alexa, Google, Siri, and the like.
Of course they aren't making one. It is a gimmick, toy product. Meant as cheap gifts for tech hounds, but no real practical usage whatsoever.
The entire concept is flawed.
These gadgets are toys, including Siri.
Can you explain how these are just toys with nary a single real world application? Why not just say "this isn't for me" instead of claiming that those with disabilities or those who like to add efficiencies in their life are just idiots who are using a toy without any real world benefits? You really don't use Siri for anything, even setting a simple timer, adding a calendar event, making a call, or choosing music?
So we need an expensive Apple TV in the bathroom, kitchen, bedrooms? What if I have my Apple TV in a closet so that my TV looks clean hanging on the wall with no wires in the way?
I have an echo and I think it is rather a fad. It's useful - sort of, I guess. But I haven't used it in weeks now which is not a great sign. It hasn't proven itself to be important. More a toy you use and then don't go back to using. I think the phone is the right place for a truly deep AI assistant.
I have to agree, yes some people my use it all the time, however, the mass majority of people will use it a few time and find it not as useful as one would think. I do not use Siri as much as I did at first, today I use it to call someone when I am driving or send a quick text when I can not type it myself. Beyond this I do not use it. I personally do not see many people using any of the voice assistance in public.
This is essential for HomeKit. Otherwise you have to carry your iOS device to with you at all times to control lights, etc, and guests are unable to do things at all.
Control of a fixed devices requires a fixed control. You never want to have to go find your light switch.
The problem with these systems, they are not simple and intuitive, everyone know how to use a light switch. Even with home kit your guests would first need to know which system you are using, how you set up your devices, and then figure out which command to say to the system to do what they think they want it to do. You just can not say turn on lights, and have the system know what you really mean. In the mean time they could have just walked over to the light switch.
I have home automation setup, and only have things like my outside lights and "security lights" on the system. As well as my Home Theater room, Beyond this everyone things is a standard switch with a standard dimmer. Because it becomes too complicated for others to use. Trust me I have gone through it and wife gets pissed off when she can not get the lights to work the way she wants.
Aside from the totally embarrassing, non-practical application of a dedicated device that sits in one place, that you must either stand next to or shout at from a distance. They are not serious products with a real application.
You are actually wrong on every count. Embarrassing? Why? Is Siri embarrassing? What about voice controlled remotes? Talking to pets? Maybe I'm more self assured, but voice control isn't embarrassing. Non-practical? Music, news, weather, time, timers, alarms, as well as the occasional questions about when a movie came out or who was in that movie or how to spell a word. Lots of things I would normally use my phone for, but can get by just asking out loud. Essential? No, but certainly practical. Stationary? Well, 3 of my Echos are. 1 in the kitchen, 1 in the living room and 1 in the bedroom. But I also have a Tap for when Im out in the garage or by the pool. So yeah, I never shout. Most everyone who has actually used one will tell you they are pretty damn responsive from across the room in a normal speaking voice. So I'm not sure why you don't think they are a serious product, but then again, we do live in an age where you can have any opinion you want wether you have any facts to support it or not.
I'm not saying Apple should enter this market, but if they ever plan to a lot of work with Siri needs to be done. I have siri disabled on my iPhone, watch, and never use it on my mac because the time siri wastes trying to figure out my request I could have done it myself.
I don't know where the HW stops and the SW service begins, but Alexa is absolutely amazing in being able to understand my commands. Nothing found on the major smartphones even comes close.
Oh stop, you're embarrassing Alexa with your adulation.
I get the feeling these parents through what kid was doing was cute, he must have gotten it play what he wanted the first time and they want him to do again for the camera and we got Alexa thinking the kid was in to porn. Yeah that work as intended.
On the other hand, if Siri was controlled by an echo-like device, there would be no keypad or fingerprint sensor, because that defeats its purpose. In that case, with such a device sitting at the ready in your den, the response would be to turn off the cameras, disable the alarm, and unlock the back door. How very convenient!
Folks, this kind of thinking is from people who have chosen to make Apple into a religion! Their thinking is done by other people, and any others beliefs must be wrong or it makes them feel or appear as if they have made a wrong choice in choosing a religion. Never forget, Apple is just a company who is out to make money off all of us, they are not our friend or family! Tim did not send you a birthday card or come to your wedding, he does not care for you and your endless support of his company. Your one share of Apple stock will not provide you with retirement money unless it was the first issued. And I must point out, I have never owned anything buy Apple laptops and phones, I too was a rabid believer............then I woke up and told myself that I can drive a ford or a chevy, I can drink coke or pepsi or even use an android and the world will be okay!
AppleZulu..............smarten up and do some research on other company products and you would realize that the fake news that you talk of is coming directly from your own mouth. amazon and the vendors that support echo have put in safeguards for the vary things you worry about. You just can unlock the door, you just can't turn off alarms.......I know because I have echo running my house, controlling the alarm system, controlling the front door lock, controlling the lighting(hue) throughout the house and controlling the HVAC of my house. And it all round fine without the fears that you are trying to spread. What I do no have running my house is Siri, the dead in the water Apple AI that is following in the same vein as many other dying or dead Apple protocols such as airplayLOL. So I ask you, if this is such a fad, why is Google jumping in on it? As for apple, they realize they have nothing to gain here because just like google, they have nothing more to add to the system because they do not have nor ever will have a amazon store connected to their systems. All if apple products that they sell are currently on apple tv for purchase such as apps, movies, music...............everything else including these items that apple sells are all available on amazon! Put down the apple koolaid cup and realize that while apple charges you full price for everything, including usb dongles that everyone else provides on their machines, they are paying virtually no taxes on your money, yet you are busy sucking on momma apples tits as if she loves you and even knows your name!
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As I have said many a time I am a huge home automation skeptic, though I am open to anything. Maybe over time it will all become so natural that it will be like opening the fridge and the light is automatically on
The entire concept is flawed.
Aside from the totally embarrassing, non-practical application of a dedicated device that sits in one place, that you must either stand next to or shout at from a distance. They are not serious products with a real application.
You are apparently unaware of Apple's business model for the entire history of the company. Apple is not going to open up Siri to third party manufacturers so that they can use Apple's voice to create an electronic train wreck in every home.
Picture the burglar who scopes out your home, listening in and waiting until you've gone out. He then hides in the bushes near your den and says, loudly, "Hey Siri, turn off the cameras! Hey Siri, turn off the alarm! Hey Siri, unlock the back door!"
If your iPhone was the controller for these things, even if you'd left it behind, it would respond to those commands with "You'll have to unlock your iPhone first!" End of story.
On the other hand, if Siri was controlled by an echo-like device, there would be no keypad or fingerprint sensor, because that defeats its purpose. In that case, with such a device sitting at the ready in your den, the response would be to turn off the cameras, disable the alarm, and unlock the back door. How very convenient!
At the same time if they can re-engineer the shuffle to add wifi then it could also become the basis of the MFI compatibility chip.
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I have to agree, yes some people my use it all the time, however, the mass majority of people will use it a few time and find it not as useful as one would think. I do not use Siri as much as I did at first, today I use it to call someone when I am driving or send a quick text when I can not type it myself. Beyond this I do not use it. I personally do not see many people using any of the voice assistance in public.
The problem with these systems, they are not simple and intuitive, everyone know how to use a light switch. Even with home kit your guests would first need to know which system you are using, how you set up your devices, and then figure out which command to say to the system to do what they think they want it to do. You just can not say turn on lights, and have the system know what you really mean. In the mean time they could have just walked over to the light switch.
I have home automation setup, and only have things like my outside lights and "security lights" on the system. As well as my Home Theater room, Beyond this everyone things is a standard switch with a standard dimmer. Because it becomes too complicated for others to use. Trust me I have gone through it and wife gets pissed off when she can not get the lights to work the way she wants.
I get the feeling these parents through what kid was doing was cute, he must have gotten it play what he wanted the first time and they want him to do again for the camera and we got Alexa thinking the kid was in to porn. Yeah that work as intended.
On the other hand, if Siri was controlled by an echo-like device, there would be no keypad or fingerprint sensor, because that defeats its purpose. In that case, with such a device sitting at the ready in your den, the response would be to turn off the cameras, disable the alarm, and unlock the back door. How very convenient!
Folks, this kind of thinking is from people who have chosen to make Apple into a religion! Their thinking is done by other people, and any others beliefs must be wrong or it makes them feel or appear as if they have made a wrong choice in choosing a religion. Never forget, Apple is just a company who is out to make money off all of us, they are not our friend or family! Tim did not send you a birthday card or come to your wedding, he does not care for you and your endless support of his company. Your one share of Apple stock will not provide you with retirement money unless it was the first issued. And I must point out, I have never owned anything buy Apple laptops and phones, I too was a rabid believer............then I woke up and told myself that I can drive a ford or a chevy, I can drink coke or pepsi or even use an android and the world will be okay!
AppleZulu..............smarten up and do some research on other company products and you would realize that the fake news that you talk of is coming directly from your own mouth. amazon and the vendors that support echo have put in safeguards for the vary things you worry about. You just can unlock the door, you just can't turn off alarms.......I know because I have echo running my house, controlling the alarm system, controlling the front door lock, controlling the lighting(hue) throughout the house and controlling the HVAC of my house. And it all round fine without the fears that you are trying to spread. What I do no have running my house is Siri, the dead in the water Apple AI that is following in the same vein as many other dying or dead Apple protocols such as airplayLOL. So I ask you, if this is such a fad, why is Google jumping in on it? As for apple, they realize they have nothing to gain here because just like google, they have nothing more to add to the system because they do not have nor ever will have a amazon store connected to their systems. All if apple products that they sell are currently on apple tv for purchase such as apps, movies, music...............everything else including these items that apple sells are all available on amazon!
Put down the apple koolaid cup and realize that while apple charges you full price for everything, including usb dongles that everyone else provides on their machines, they are paying virtually no taxes on your money, yet you are busy sucking on momma apples tits as if she loves you and even knows your name!