Apple CEO Tim Cook tapped to advise President Trump's 'Office of American Innovation'

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  • Reply 21 of 99
    Tim:  "Innovation #1 = don't dictate where companies hire and manufacture.  Let the free market optimize."
  • Reply 22 of 99
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,063member
    I'm glad Tim is trying to work with them.   
    Trump's team has shown itself to be clueless and far over their heads. 
    Hopefully he can steer them to make some sensible decisions.
    And Pigs might fly. Sorry but that is how it seems.

    Pigs fly every time Trump and his sons get on a plane.
    Hey, stop insulting pigs like that. 
    baconstangdysamoria
  • Reply 23 of 99
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,105member
    eightzero said:
    I'm glad Tim is trying to work with them.   
    Trump's team has shown itself to be clueless and far over their heads. 
    Hopefully he can steer them to make some sensible decisions.
    And Pigs might fly. Sorry but that is how it seems.

    Pigs fly every time Trump and his sons get on a plane.
    Hey, stop insulting pigs like that. 
    My deepest apologies to the porcine community ;)
    eightzerofallenjtmontrosemacs
  • Reply 24 of 99
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    Some critics have argued that executives opposed to Trump should refuse to collaborate.
    Well that is just fucking stupid, isn't it? Yeah that is how progress is made - act like petulant fucking child and not participate because you don't agree on everything.
    It depends. So far, Trump has shown no interest in compromising. As long as that's an attitude, I wouldn't want to be part of a body that being used for publicity.

    we're seeing that in other areas. He said that if the health "reform" billed failed to pass, he'd blame the Democrates, which he's now doing. Since he refused to let them in on working on the bill, he's got no one to blame for the failure but himself. But he never blames himself for anything. It's always the other guy whose at fault.. Then he said that if the bill passed, but didn't work out well, he'd blame them too. Why would anyone want to work with him? It's why he's got second rate advisers, and second rate cabinet members.

    business leaders need to be very wary of him. If they make suggestions, and Kushner doesn't sabotage them, then he'll blame them if everything doesn't work out well for him. It's maybe better to stay away.

    You've got to remember that Trump isn't normal, working with him is always a risk.
    edited March 2017 singularitybaconstangdysamoria
  • Reply 25 of 99
    The role of the government is to serve the American People. So yes in a sense we are the customer. And yes the government should be run like a business. Meaning fiscally responsible and held accountable to perform to budget and productivity measures. As for the comment in the article about if you appose his policy then you should pack up your toys and go home is such an immature position. Nothing would ever get done if leaders took that position. Rather work harder to find common ground that we can work to build a better future. Now that is how it should be done.
    randominternetpersonbaconstang
  • Reply 26 of 99
    boltsfan17boltsfan17 Posts: 2,294member
    eightzero said:
    eightzero said:
    "The government should be run like a great American company," Kushner told the Post. "Our hope is that we can achieve successes and efficiencies for our customers, who are the citizens."
    I've never understood this. How much profit does the DoD make annually?

    Governments aren't companies, and we aren't customers. We own the government - they work for us. 

    What is so hard to understand about it? You can use a simple business plan and apply it to the government. 
    OK. So there is a plan that could make the DoD profitable? Oh, I guess we need to invade and conquer more countries. Worked well for all the other empires, and they didn't have nukes and practice MAD. 
    I don't want to write a novel so have a look at this article. This is essentially what I'm talking about. 

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/government-should-run-like-a-business-but-not-in-the-way-you-think/275693/


  • Reply 27 of 99
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,063member
    The role of the government is to serve the American People. So yes in a sense we are the customer. And yes the government should be run like a business. Meaning fiscally responsible and held accountable to perform to budget and productivity measures. As for the comment in the article about if you appose his policy then you should pack up your toys and go home is such an immature position. Nothing would ever get done if leaders took that position. Rather work harder to find common ground that we can work to build a better future. Now that is how it should be done.
    This is a fallacy, and you are wrong. Companies are in no way required to serve their customers. They are required, by law, to maximize profit, and they get to choose their customers. Operations of a company are at the direction of the owners/shareholders. Government should absolutely not be run like a business. The People are not customers; they are owners.

    I do agree that government executives need to have an understanding of economics.
    baconstangdysamoriamontrosemacs
  • Reply 28 of 99
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,278member
    At least since Al Gore's Reinventing Government efforts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Partnership_for_Reinventing_Government), both Democratic and Republican (yes, even W) administrations have been making slow progress towards the goal of making government more efficient. 

    If Kushner's efforts continue that trend it will be a good thing. 

    But I think skepticism is appropriate. 
    randominternetperson
  • Reply 29 of 99
    danyakdanyak Posts: 30member
    I hope he accepts.  You don't influence those you disagree with by calling them names.  You influence them by getting to know them and speaking with them.  You don't agree with everything someone says when you agree to sit down and talk with them.  
    randominternetpersonbaconstangkevin kee
  • Reply 30 of 99
    danyakdanyak Posts: 30member
    BTW - some commenters seem to mistake the concept with running the government like and efficient business with privatizing the government.  I don't favor privatization generally, but having worked in the government, I sure would like to see it run more like Apple.  Not that many or even most corporations don't have problems with "efficiency" and corruption!
    randominternetperson
  • Reply 31 of 99
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,278member
    danyak said:
    BTW - some commenters seem to mistake the concept with running the government like and efficient business with privatizing the government.  I don't favor privatization generally, but having worked in the government, I sure would like to see it run more like Apple.  Not that many or even most corporations don't have problems with "efficiency" and corruption!
    Bingo on all counts! 

    Improved efficiency in the operation of the government is possible, needed, and beneficial to almost everyone. 

    And while it's not exactly easy to do, it's not exactly hard either. 

    Corporate America in general isn't necessarily a great model of efficiency, but *some* corporations are very efficient and worth examining. 

    Also, some states do a pretty good job, too. Depending on what sector we're talking about, states like CA, MA, and TX can be surprisingly good (they're not all good at everything, but each is very good at some things)
  • Reply 32 of 99
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    I'm kinda stunned ... how has this thread not been shut down?
  • Reply 33 of 99
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,727member
    eightzero said:
    "The government should be run like a great American company," Kushner told the Post. "Our hope is that we can achieve successes and efficiencies for our customers, who are the citizens."
    I've never understood this. How much profit does the DoD make annually?

    Governments aren't companies, and we aren't customers. We own the government - they work for us. 

    That unfortunately seems to be something the current POTUS didn't realize when he ran I suspect. 
    baconstangdysamoria
  • Reply 34 of 99
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    The role of the government is to serve the American People. So yes in a sense we are the customer. And yes the government should be run like a business. Meaning fiscally responsible and held accountable to perform to budget and productivity measures. As for the comment in the article about if you appose his policy then you should pack up your toys and go home is such an immature position. Nothing would ever get done if leaders took that position. Rather work harder to find common ground that we can work to build a better future. Now that is how it should be done.
    That happens to be the way Trump operates. And a businesses function is to make a profit. If serving your customers needs well, does that, then that what's done. But if it isn't necessary, and many businesses find that it isn't, because they've managed to get a monopoly (like the government has) then they don't. But a government needs to be a benevolent monopoly. This administration, more than any I've seen so far, doesn't care about more than a small number of people.

    this is going to be hard to deflect.
    baconstangdysamoria
  • Reply 35 of 99
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    danyak said:
    BTW - some commenters seem to mistake the concept with running the government like and efficient business with privatizing the government.  I don't favor privatization generally, but having worked in the government, I sure would like to see it run more like Apple.  Not that many or even most corporations don't have problems with "efficiency" and corruption!
    Corruption can take place in a privately run company, a corporation, a democratically run capitalist society or in a socialist democracy. None is inherently  more corrupt. 
    The problem is that if you run government like a company you basically have a dictatorship. Democracy is messy, and inefficient if you compare it to a dictatorship, but as Winston Churchill said - “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” I think if you work for the government, or for any large corporation, the inertia can become mind numbing, and the decision making process frustrating and slow. But that is the nature of the beast. You should always try to improve and become leaner and more efficient but in a democracy where everyone's voice needs to be heard, there is a limit to how fast it is possible to go. That is why Trump is doomed to failure.
    baconstangdysamoria
  • Reply 36 of 99
    boltsfan17boltsfan17 Posts: 2,294member
    mac_128 said:
    I'm kinda stunned ... how has this thread not been shut down?
    Because it's anti Trump.
  • Reply 37 of 99
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member
    melgross said:
    Well, this just shows why business people should never hold the reigns of power. They have no idea what government is. Government is not a business. Efficiency is nice, but not required for a government. A government doesn't need to show a profit. 

    While businesses need to have a budget that breaks even, at worst, for a long time, and at best, show a profit, a government needs to do work for its people that can exceed the taxes taken in for a long time, something that would break most businesses. The difference is that while businesses can't create money, government can. That doesn't mean that governments should creat new money Willy nilly. But increasing the money supply is required for a growing economy. Sometimes increasing the money supply so that the currency loses value is helpful, such as for increasing exports. Business doesn't have any way of doing that.

    perhaps government is more akin to a charity, or non profit.

    at any rate, Kushner shows is incompetence here, as does his father in law. Neither seem to understand government. Trump declares that nobody knew that health care reform was so hard. Well, it seems that everyone but him knew that already.
    Trump is going to revolutionize business and government the same way he revolutionized higher education with Trump University.

    These guys will be lining up to donate to the Committee to REElect the President.</sarcasm>
    baconstang
  • Reply 38 of 99
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    mac_128 said:
    I'm kinda stunned ... how has this thread not been shut down?
    Because it's anti Trump.
    Why do the Trump brigade have such a chip on their shoulder? 
    baconstangdysamoria
  • Reply 39 of 99
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Any chance Tim will advise him that the ACA is a massive tangle of garbage and it should be immediately killed like a Santeria chicken?
    boltsfan17
  • Reply 40 of 99
    boltsfan17boltsfan17 Posts: 2,294member
    paxman said:
    mac_128 said:
    I'm kinda stunned ... how has this thread not been shut down?
    Because it's anti Trump.
    Why do the Trump brigade have such a chip on their shoulder? 
    I don't. It's the people who can't get over the fact he won and their candidate lost. Anything Trump does he gets bashed here by the left. 
    icoco3Metriacanthosaurus
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