alandail

tangey said:

To be fair, up to this point all the health related sensors are relevant to everyone, pulse, heart, O2 level etc.

An accurate, non-invasive glucose monitor would be an absolute godsend for those that need to keep a close eye on their sugar levels, but it isn't something that everyone needs. It would likely had a big impact on sales, with people buying it for that functionality alone, however for the rest of the population, it wouldn't be needed but might be "nice" to be able to see.. So I guess there is a reasonable argument to be made that if it's sensors require sacrificing something else, or require the watch to be bigger, or shorten battery life, that there would be two lines of apple watches, ones with and ones without the glucose monitoring.

foregoneconclusion said:

alandail said:

foregoneconclusion said:

Two stars is way too negative relative to a product that the author admits is made of good materials, fits all the necessary parts of the AVP without disassembly, allows relatively quick access when AVP needs to be used and provides good protection. The claim that it's too large is also contradicted by statements like "the molded interior leaves no wiggle room" (why would you need wiggle room if it's too large) and "fits almost everything you need except a keyboard" (which is a complaint that it's too small). Plus, comparing it to a 10 liter backpack is kind of admitting that it isn't really too large. It would fit in standard 14/15 liter packs. No brainer that it would fit in the gigantic carry-ons that people lug onto airplanes as well. 

The case needs to be small enough you can put the case in your backpack along with your MacBook Pro, chargers, headphones, etc. Vision Pro itself is small enough that the case could be much smaller than it is.

What reason do you have for thinking a 14/15 liter backpack wouldn't be able to do that? The author was comparing it to a 10 liter. The author also admits that smaller sized cases for AVP require disassembly. 

foregoneconclusion said:

Two stars is way too negative relative to a product that the author admits is made of good materials, fits all the necessary parts of the AVP without disassembly, allows relatively quick access when AVP needs to be used and provides good protection. The claim that it's too large is also contradicted by statements like "the molded interior leaves no wiggle room" (why would you need wiggle room if it's too large) and "fits almost everything you need except a keyboard" (which is a complaint that it's too small). Plus, comparing it to a 10 liter backpack is kind of admitting that it isn't really too large. It would fit in standard 14/15 liter packs. No brainer that it would fit in the gigantic carry-ons that people lug onto airplanes as well. 

thedba said:

Going 3rd party is probably the way to go on this. 

I'm sure these will hit Amazon soon. 

Mike Wuerthele said:

alandail said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

bluefire1 said:

cpsro said:

IMHO the iPhone was a success from the very beginning--even before it was in customer hands. Google recognized it, too.

Agree. in 2008, the iPhone was already the fourth best selling mobile device in the country, as people continued to replace their mobile phones with this innovative disruptive device. 

People need mobile devices, but who needs the Vision Pro and why? Time will tell.

Yeah. It launched into a market that already had successes and very clear use cases for the everyman. AVP is launching into a market that doesn't.

you're not thinking long term. 

This Apple's 3rd new computing platform that changed the way people use computers

Macintosh
iPhone
Vision Pro

Macintosh in 1984. There were barely any apps, but it redefined how computers worked. At my job (NASA), we started buying them a day after release and for the next year or two we bought 1 of every app that came out to see what we could use it for. That's how few apps there were. It had the minimum hardware necessary to make that user interface work and cost $2499 ($7238 in today's dollars). 

40 years later, all computers work like that Macintosh.  

iPhone in 2007 - here weren't any apps other than the ones Apple built. There was no 3rd party App Store for a full year after release. Again had the minimum hardware necessary to make that user interface work. Redefined how mobile computing worked. Today all phones and tablets work like that first iPhone. The pointing device from the Mac was replace by your finger.

Vision Pro -  At release it's already well ahead  in apps of where Macintosh and iPhone were. Like Macintosh, it's the minimum hardware required to implement a new way to use computes. Augmented reality. To nail augmented reality, it has to look like reality. The pointing device is now your eyes. Like Macintosh, the first release is expensive. And the first release is heavy. But something went seriously wrong if 5 to 10 years from now devices that descend from or are inspired by Vision Pro aren't the dominate computing platform.

Imagine a future model that isn't much bigger or heavier than sunglasses, shows your eyes while you use it, has all day battery life, had robust AI, has fully shared experiences with other people if they're in the room with you or not, and runs every app you need. What do you even need a phone for with a device like that? What do you need a computer for? 

I absolutely am thinking long term. From the article:

No matter how many units are available, sold, or coming in early 2024, no matter how loud Apple yells that the Apple Vision Pro is a success now, no matter if the stock analysts predict doom or triumph now, the whole-year 2024 is only the start of the saga and climb. I agree with the sentiment that Apple Vision Pro is right now in essence a paid developer kit unleashed on the world. 

From the start, developers are the crank or starter motor that starts the big engine, and users are the fuel that makes the product run. Apple hopes the killer app will pop out, as it has before, but nothing is guaranteed.

This is a story told in the fullness of time. This is a story told in the non-Pro Apple Vision, and whatever the "Apple Glass" ultimately turns out to be. 
This is also a story about how the rest of the world reacts to the hardware, and what competing vendors do in response to the gear. Meta's, HTC's, and others' responses and timelines will perhaps be the most telling on how afraid the rest of the market is.

As far as the absolute measure of success goes, Apple can wait effectively forever. It doesn't need to be profitable out of the gate, as the company has a stack of money that would make the most covetous dragon jealous to weather the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune with little or no impact to the company as a whole."