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  • Apple-issued developer certificate expires, causing crashes in 1Password and other apps

    Very shoddy work by Apple. 
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  • The Democratic Party is on Fire...

    sdw2001 said:
    crowley said:
    sdw2001 said:

    crowley said:
    sdw2001 said:
    crowley said:
    Shitgibbon's hubris is coming back to bite him in the ass.

    Good.

    I doubt it'll take the train completely off the track, but where there's a chance of impeachment and/or arrest any rational person should be gunning for it.

    Such a shame that even if you ditch the charlatan you'll still be stuck with Pence.
    That is positively unhinged.  We should be gunning for arrest and impeachment?  For what? Let me guess...conflicts of interest that don't exist under the law?  Using executive authority as explicitly proscribed by law?  Saying mean stuff on Twitter?  Yeah, that's totally worth putting the country through that.   It's also a fantasy.  The GOP controls Congress, so short of Trump being caught taking a bribe or going "House of Cards" on someone on the metro line, it won't happen.  Given the Dems current behavior and prospects, they have little to no chance of retaking even the Senate, much less the House--which is where Articles of Impeachment have to arise.  

    Unfortunately not.

    However, conspiracy with a foreign state is something a person can be impeached for, and if Trump instructed Flynn, or other aides to collaborate with Russia, either to influence the election, or to engage in pre-inauguration diplomacy, as seems eminently plausible, then that is a definite possibility. Even Republicans in the House and Senate would balk at that.

    Also, I think I was pretty clear in saying it was currently a slim chance (though I think the chances are growing daily), so less of the "unhinged" thanks. The continued denial of the Trump fans that there is anything to be concerned about in the ever escalating charges of Russian coziness is the only things that qualifies as unhinged here.
    There is zero evidence the Trump campaign "collaborated" with Russia to influence the election.  Pre-election diplomacy?  That would depend on what the hell that means.  Talking to possible foreign counterparts about what your policies might be is nothing unusual or wrong.  

    Your statement about "unhinged" is, well, unhinged itself.  No one cares of Flynn talked to Russia about sanctions.  No one cares about the Logan Act, because its toothless and has never been used in a prosecution (there was one indictment, from 1803.  It was highly suspect and never pursued).   The sanctions themselves were utterly bogus.  They were ineffective, political and miniscule.  The only thing they did was antagonize Russia and serve the purpose of blaming Russia for Hillary's loss.   Flynn quite obviously didn't do anything wrong in that respect.  That's why people aren't concerned, just like they aren't concerned about the nonsense Kellyanne Conway line about buying Ivanka's clothing line.  It's politicized bullshit.  Rejection of that is exactly what led to Trump winning in the first place.  

    It's obvious what happened here.  Flynn was talking to Russia as incoming NSA.  He ended up discussing sanctions.  After the FBI leaked that they had surveilled his calls, he was asked about whether or not he discussed them.  He told Pence he had not, either deliberately lying or just forgetting.  Once this was definitive and public, he had lost Trump's confidence, so he got canned.  You can't lie, mislead or provide inaccurate information to POTUS or VPOTUS and expect to have a job.  

    What I find truly "unhinged" is this focus on Russia.  Russia was likely responsible for hacking the DNC.  In doing so, they released truthful information about the corruption and lies of that institution, as well as the corruption and lies of several large, mainstream media outlets (notably, CNN).   This has been parlayed into accusations that they somehow affected vote totals, or used "fake news" to sway an unsuspecting public.  Honestly, this is just silly.   Liberals and anti-Trump GOP members are running screaming about the integrity of our elections.  Meanwhile, Russia's hacking actually exposed the real corruption in the system.  Ironically, they helped.  Did Russia favor Trump?  Of course.  Why wouldn't they?  Hillary was notoriously anti-Russia and was adversarial.  Putin clearly had zero respect for Obama (so much so that he didn't even tell him they were going into Syria just hours after speaking with him).  Trump was saying "let's see what happens" and wanted to get along with Russia to fight ISIS.  He refused to call Putin a "killer" and other nasty things.  The Russians actually respect Trump.  Why wouldn't they prefer him?   

    I know it's a liberal fantasy that somehow it will come out that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Russia to throw the election to him.  But that's what it is...a fantasy.  


    So... ignore the law, it doesn't matter (because it's inconvenient), ignore Russian interference, it doesn't matter (because Trump won) and the only thing that matters is what people (read: the people that voted for Trump) think?  

    Wow, you really are just walking willingly into autocracy and personality worship aren't you?

    How can you not see how ridiculous this case you're making is?


    Oh boy.  

    No, I'm not advocating "ignoring the law."  I'm saying the Logan Act doesn't apply because it's never been used.  The notion that it would be used against an incoming National Security Advisor who was discussing what the Admin's policies were going to be in a few weeks is utterly ridiculous.  The law is intended to prevent private citizens from co-opting the foreign policy of the United States.  It's to prevent someone like, say, Mitt Romney (out of office, but well known and rich) from calling up Putin and making promises that the United States will do X, Y and Z.  In other words, there is a big difference between a private citizen unassociated with official power, and the incoming National Security Advisor of the United States.  Moreover, the law has been ignored for hundreds of years...even despite blatant violations by former Presidents, Congressmen, etc.   Come on, man.  

    What Russian interference?  Seriously, be specific.  There was little "interference."  There was likely hacking of the DNC.  

    At no time did I say the "only thing that matters" is what the people who voted for Trump think.  However, what they think obviously has everything to do with the political outcomes.  I'd add to that people who may or may not have voted for Trump, but aren't very concerned about these stories.  The public in general...all except the political class and hard Trump opposition don't care about the Russia story.  They know there is nothing there.  They don't care---not because they fail to understand the story, or that they just don't know what "really" happened, but because they've seen the media destroy its own credibility.  Without some kind of evidence that the GOP or Trump colluded with the Russians on the election, they aren't willing to believe the lies any more.  Why should they?  The same outlets who were proven beyond a doubt to be working with the Democratic Party are now claiming (again, without any evidence) that Trump stole the election.  They are heavily insinuating that the Russians "hacked" the election, as if voting machines were tampered with (zero evidence of that, too).  

    People saw Obama claim that Trump was nuts to think the Russians or anyone else was "rigging" the system.  Then, he said he previously called Putin and told him to knock it off (which, he supposedly did).  After Trump's election, Obama promised a smooth transition, all the while working behind the scenes to undermine the President-elect and establish a semi-permanent shadow government.  Obama's stooges, many of whom are still in Washington because of the Democrats slow-walking of Trump's nominees, are using the DC apparatus against Trump.  Where else did the media get notice of FBI wiretaps? Who approved them?  Who even requested them? 

    I'm not making a case, as you put it.  I'm saying your case is completely fucking ridiculous.  
    My case is that you should care about the integrity of your laws, your democracy and your institutions and not brush off suggestions that they have been comprimised.  If you think that's ridiculous then god help you.
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  • The Democratic Party is on Fire...

    Collaborating with Russian intelligence during an election cycle and when the White House is still occupied with a sitting President is a damn far throw from "allying" with Russia via formal diplomatic channels.

    For all the bleating about treason TS does, he seems unusually unconcerned when genuine evidence of actual treason surfaces.  Almost like he doesn't actually give a damn about treason, just the side he is able to pin it on.


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  • The Democratic Party is on Fire...

    bucci said:
    crowley said:
    spheric said:
    crowley said:
    Shitgibbon's hubris is coming back to bite him in the ass.

    Good.

    I doubt it'll take the train completely off the track, but where there's a chance of impeachment and/or arrest any rational person should be gunning for it.

    Such a shame that even if you ditch the charlatan you'll still be stuck with Pence.
    Even worse: You'll have Pence, and still be stuck with outright Neo-Nazi Bannon, who's already conning his way into being firmly entrenched (whoopsie Trump didn't know he was signing Bannon into the National Security Council? How the hell did that happen…hmm.)
    I would imagine that if Pence succeeds Trump he'd ditch Bannon. I don't think Pence is totally on board the Trump train, he's just riding out the stuff that he doesn't agree with in order to get the stuff he does agree with through. I think Bannon and Bannon's fascist leanings are very much in the former pot.
    I tend to agree with this. But I'd add that Pence is along for the ride because he knows eventually Congress will turn on Trump and then he steps into the role. 
    Probably right there. Seems like it's just a matter of time at this point.

    Hopefully Pence will at least bring some competence and dignity back to the office, even if his policy goals are equally (though differently) awful.
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  • The Democratic Party is on Fire...

    sdw2001 said:
    crowley said:
    Shitgibbon's hubris is coming back to bite him in the ass.

    Good.

    I doubt it'll take the train completely off the track, but where there's a chance of impeachment and/or arrest any rational person should be gunning for it.

    Such a shame that even if you ditch the charlatan you'll still be stuck with Pence.
    That is positively unhinged.  We should be gunning for arrest and impeachment?  For what? Let me guess...conflicts of interest that don't exist under the law?  Using executive authority as explicitly proscribed by law?  Saying mean stuff on Twitter?  Yeah, that's totally worth putting the country through that.   It's also a fantasy.  The GOP controls Congress, so short of Trump being caught taking a bribe or going "House of Cards" on someone on the metro line, it won't happen.  Given the Dems current behavior and prospects, they have little to no chance of retaking even the Senate, much less the House--which is where Articles of Impeachment have to arise.  

    Unfortunately not.

    However, conspiracy with a foreign state is something a person can be impeached for, and if Trump instructed Flynn, or other aides to collaborate with Russia, either to influence the election, or to engage in pre-inauguration diplomacy, as seems eminently plausible, then that is a definite possibility. Even Republicans in the House and Senate would balk at that.

    Also, I think I was pretty clear in saying it was currently a slim chance (though I think the chances are growing daily), so less of the "unhinged" thanks. The continued denial of the Trump fans that there is anything to be concerned about in the ever escalating charges of Russian coziness is the only things that qualifies as unhinged here.
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