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6502 said:melgross said:6502 said:Neither of which is done in the US, which is shameful. Even more so is Apple seems intent on offshoring their R&D work to China too. This is not the Apple I know.melgross said:Can't people understand that this isn't manufacturing, it's assembly. There's a difference. Manufacturing is actually the process of making parts, while assembly is just putting them together. Assembly is the lowest value part of manufacturing.
its not shameful at all. It can't happen here. I really don't know what's wrong with you people. Do you believe that nonsense that Trump spouts? Assembly of phones is done in countries that are developing because American workers will never again work the way they do there. Around the turn of the 19th century to the 20th, we used to have workers live in barracks, buy exclusively from the company store, and send a bit of money home to their families. Mining companies were the last to do this kind of thing.it even inspired a famous song.
this is the way it works in China, India, and a few other developing nations. People move hundreds, or even thousands of miles to move into a barracks where they have a single size bed with a foot locker, and a cabinet on the wall above the head board, and that's it. If the company needs 10,000 workers late Saturday night, they go into the barracks and wake these people up and put them on the lines. They live that way, often for years.
there is simply no way that workers in any developed country will ever do that again.
i can't believe the total lack of understanding some people here, in this country, have about these matters. I just read a financial article that discussed the loss of manufacturing jobs in this country. 13% is due to trade deals, and a whopping 87% is due to automation. What jobs we lost to trade deals is mostly made up by jobs in import industries and distribution, but no jobs are gained, in any real numbers for losses due to automation. This ratio is going to get worse. Even if, somehow, these lines could be automated, and brought here, we would see virtually no job creation. But this is years off.
And, I'd gladly pay a bit more for an iPhone made in the US but I'm sure Cook and crew would never risk lower their profit margin and therefore their bonus to have this happen. You are basically saying if slave labor cannot make our things then they just won't get made. That is the most shameful of all.
"Apple couldn't beat us in China because even they have flaws," said Duan.
His arguments are full of flaws. Can he explain why Google its Android OS his phones use price the inferior Pixel phones at the same price as iPhone 7s? He is simply diverting the facts that his company copies every aspect of iPhones including the web page is blatant copyright violation of Apple web page.
k2kw said:GeorgeBMac said:tallest skil said:apple jockey said:On Russian interference in the US election... 17 US Intel Services agreed that this happened
2. The same ones that said there were WMDs in Iraq, I assume.
3. There’s zero evidence. Your own leaders admit it now. Get over it.Many of them have tried to signal that the beliefs the base has been led to adopt have no basis in reason or evidence.
The latest official to throw cold water on the MSNBC-led circus is President Obama’s former acting CIA chief Michael Morell. What makes him particularly notable in this context is that Morell was one of Clinton’s most vocal CIA surrogates. In August, he not only endorsed Clinton in the pages of the New York Times but also became the first high official to explicitly accuse Trump of disloyalty, claiming, “In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.” But on Wednesday night, Morell appeared at an intelligence community forum to “cast doubt” on “allegations that members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russia.” “On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire at all,” he said, adding, “There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it.”
Obama’s former CIA chief also cast serious doubt on the credibility of the infamous, explosive “dossier” originally published by BuzzFeed, saying that its author, Christopher Steele, paid intermediaries to talk to the sources for it. The dossier, he said, “doesn’t take you anywhere, I don’t think.”
Morell’s comments echo the categorical remarks by Obama’s top national security official, James Clapper, who told Meet the Press last week that during the time he was Obama’s DNI, he saw no evidence to support claims of a Trump/Russia conspiracy. “We had no evidence of such collusion,” Clapper stated unequivocally. Unlike Morell, who left his official CIA position in 2013 but remains very integrated into the intelligence community, Clapper was Obama’s DNI until just seven weeks ago, leaving on January 20.
Perhaps most revealing of all are the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee — charged with investigating these matters — who recently told BuzzFeed how petrified they are of what the Democratic base will do if they do not find evidence of collusion, as they now suspect will likely be the case. “There’s a tangible frustration over what one official called ‘wildly inflated’ expectations surrounding the panel’s fledgling investigation,” BuzzFeed’s Ali Watkins wrote.
Moreover, “several committee sources grudgingly say, it feels as though the investigation will be seen as a sham if the Senate doesn’t find a silver bullet connecting Trump and Russian intelligence operatives.” One member told Watkins: “I don’t think the conclusions are going to meet people’s expectations.”
What makes all of this most significant is that officials like Clapper and Morell are trained disinformation agents; Clapper in particular has proven he will lie to advance his interests. Yet even with all the incentive to do so, they are refusing to claim there is evidence of such collusion; in fact, they are expressly urging people to stop thinking it exists. As even the law recognizes, statements that otherwise lack credibility become more believable when they are ones made “against interest.”
Your experience is wrong, then.In my experience the MSM bases its information on solid fact based reporting and rarely gets a story wrong.
Sorry, contrary to the rightwing FakeNews sites, it is very very true... And it scares Rump to death. That's why he invented his "Obama Wire Tapped my Phones" line. He's trying to muddy the waters before he's evicted from his newest mansion to an even bigger house -- the BigHouse. Unfortunately except for the brainwashed rightwingers, the whole world seems to be laughing at him.
1. The original attacks on judges began with Obama's attacks on the Supreme Court in his state of the union address after the Citizen's Free Speech decision.
2. Obama began attacking news by calling Fox Fake news.
3. Obama' CIA/NSA did hack German Chancellor Merkal. Not a stretch to think that the CIA is out of control and hacking Trump.
4.. Hillary's Ambassador was overheard conspiring in the overthrow of the democratically elected president of Ukraine which is what precipitated the annexation of Crimea and the current civil war. Unsurprising Ukraine's Finance minister became an American citizen who had served in Bill Clinton's state department (Natalie Jarekso).
5. Our country is subject to hacking from China all the time. Maybe the hacks were against the republicans who were smart enough to secure their Networks.
6. American jobs are not going to Russia. This is about wall street being able to control of international finance with China. And thus why Clinton received twice the money as Trump (most from Wall Street). Trump won because workers in rust belt states wouldn't vote for the Clintons who started the original "screw the blue collar worker" with NAFTA. Mass delusion seems to have embraced the Clintonites and Progressives since they blame just about anything else. Democratic's embrace of Illegal Aliens is a also anti-American worker that has motivated many voters to support Trump.
GeorgeBMac said:tzeshan said:thewhitefalcon said:singularity said:SpamSandwich said:adamc said:SpamSandwich said:DanielEran said:JessiReturns said:
Most of this is good analysis, but when Daniel talks about "Fake news", don't forget he's a hard core marxist.
I suspect this thread will soon be locked, so with regard to Apple creating yet another social network, I just don't see it. They're bad at it. They can't make money at it and it's not in their DNA.
But, it's important to realize that FoxNews has been spinning their yarns for 20 years by using just enough actual facts that their spin cannot be called a TOTAL lie. But, it's such a distortion of the truth that it qualifies as FakeNews. But, I find it REALLY interesting that even they appear to be becoming horrified at the proliferation of FakeNews coming out of the Rump administration and right wing propaganda sites.
Personally, I don't think Obama had to tap Rump's phone. He already had camera in his microwave! (KellyAnne Conway told us so!).