Let's share Mac Pro ship dates - Page 5

SharkBait · 08-25-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Get a gigabyte of Crucial's RAM (two 512MB sticks with Apple-style heatsinks) for $200.

Good eye, thanks. I should probably wait until my Mac ships, but... can't... restrain... visa...

Placebo · 08-26-2006, 09:43 AM

Yeah, price might even go down by the time it ships.

Isomorphic · 08-26-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lundy

If you have the 3.0 gHz, how about giving us a benchmark on the threadedFactorialHighRes app?
See if it can beat 89 seconds for 2 billion. That is what the 2.66 Woodcrest gets.

78.71 seconds.

If I had more memory (to fill out all the channels), it would probably be a little faster.

Isomorphic · 08-26-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Get a gigabyte of Crucial's RAM (two 512MB sticks with Apple-style heatsinks) for $200. There's also a few other places offering it now such as TransIntl:

http://www.transintl.com/store/categ...estTimeOut=500

and OWC.

Crucial's pricing is pretty good, but they don't have 1GB sticks yet.

That other link is good, but their prices are high.

I know I'm picky, but newegg is selling 1GB FB-DIMMs for $169. They don't have the Mac Pro heatsinks--but come on, a heatsink is a $10 part, if that. I'm looking for about $350-360 for a 2 x 1GB kit.

Placebo · 08-26-2006, 11:24 AM

Crucial says they'll have gigsticks within 1-2 weeks.

SharkBait · 08-26-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Crucial says they'll have gigsticks within 1-2 weeks.

For me, 2 GB will be plenty, and 4x512 is the best way to saturate the memory bus. 8)

Of course, that means I'll have to play more UT2004, 'cause Barefeats sez that's the only time I'll notice the difference.

http://www.barefeats.com/quad09.html

Mordak · 08-27-2006, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SharkBait

For me, 2 GB will be plenty, and 4x512 is the best way to saturate the memory bus. 8)

Of course, that means I'll have to play more UT2004, 'cause Barefeats sez that's the only time I'll notice the difference.

http://www.barefeats.com/quad09.html

so drunk but still thinking about my fukinvg macpro

Placebo · 08-27-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SharkBait

For me, 2 GB will be plenty, and 4x512 is the best way to saturate the memory bus. 8)

Of course, that means I'll have to play more UT2004, 'cause Barefeats sez that's the only time I'll notice the difference.

http://www.barefeats.com/quad09.html

Wow, the people from Anandtech are fucking liars, they claimed it would only increase performance by 3%.

SharkBait · 08-27-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Wow, the people from Anandtech are fucking liars, they claimed it would only increase performance by 3%.

Most of the stuff I've read at Anandtech seems balanced, but for whatever reason, I trust the BareFeats site more for mac-specific tests.

When Rob-Art makes a mistake, he owns up to it quickly on the site. And in this case, I agree with him - "it can't hurt" both in terms of the mem bus and spreading out the heat sources.

Placebo · 08-27-2006, 02:28 PM

Yeah, and I need 2GB regardless of channel saturation, so it's win-win.

Wait, was he testing two gig sticks (two channels) versus four 512 sticks (four channels), or something less fair where the four-channel setup had more RAM? Because that could have skewed it a bit.

SharkBait · 08-27-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Wait, was he testing two gig sticks (two channels) versus four 512 sticks (four channels), or something less fair where the four-channel setup had more RAM?

He had 6 GB, but didn't use them in every test.

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Originally Posted by Bare Feats

We had four 512MB modules and four 1GB modules. The three combinations we tried using both risers produced a fill rate 34% faster than the five combinatons we tried using one riser card...

If you ask me, they should be testing what I'd call typical - ie. configuations less than 4 GB, more preferably, 2 GB (ie. is 4x512 better than 2x1024?). I suppose this brings other variables into the picture (HD performance, as an example) but given that we're using the same systems, I think the results would still be valid.

Placebo · 08-28-2006, 10:05 AM

Yeah, it is pretty damned confusing because then we have to thing of whether having larger stick sizes results in longer memory reference times, etc etc.

I'll just stick with the ol' rule of thumb: MORE RAM

ZachPruckowski · 08-28-2006, 10:53 AM

4x512 is better than 2x1024. An interesting question is whether 8x512 is worse than 4x1024 (I think it is because of latency issues on the "back" RAM).

SharkBait · 08-28-2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachPruckowski

4x512 is better than 2x1024. An interesting question is whether 8x512 is worse than 4x1024 (I think it is because of latency issues on the "back" RAM).

My guess, and it's purely a guess, is that the gains from saturating the bus is an order of magnitude more than the potential gains from avoiding this latency.

Mordak · 08-29-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Placebo

The representative I called said that the earliest they're anticipating X1900 XT shipments is the 30th.

So two days... and its the big day... omg please!

ZachPruckowski · 08-29-2006, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SharkBait

My guess, and it's purely a guess, is that the gains from saturating the bus is an order of magnitude more than the potential gains from avoiding this latency.

4 properly placed DIMMs saturate the bus (it's quad-channel).

SharkBait · 08-29-2006, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachPruckowski

4 properly placed DIMMs saturate the bus (it's quad-channel).

I edited my post to make it more clear. I don't think the latency is anything a user could notice, versus the percentage level gains acheived by saturating the bus. Just found another good link:
http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/ma...up.html#memory

ai51240 · 08-29-2006, 02:17 PM

I just got an email from Apple informing me that the price of my Mac Pro had dropped by $90. Shipping date is still holding at September 19th. Below are the specs. I don't know which component saw the price reduction.

2.00 GHz Quad Xeon
1GB 667 DDR2 FB DIMM ECC-2x512
ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB
250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s drive
Airprt Extrm & BT 2.0+EDR

Universe Man · 08-29-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ai51240

I just got an email from Apple informing me that the price of my Mac Pro had dropped by $90. Shipping date is still holding at September 19th. Below are the specs. I don't know which component saw the price reduction.

2.00 GHz Quad Xeon
1GB 667 DDR2 FB DIMM ECC-2x512
ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB
250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s drive
Airprt Extrm & BT 2.0+EDR

I have the same config, and I got a price drop too. (Mine was $100. Yours was $90?) That's nice.

ai51240 · 08-29-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Universe Man

I have the same config, and I got a price drop too. (Mine was $100. Yours was $90?) That's nice.

I bought from the Ed store.

Mordak · 08-30-2006, 11:01 AM

possible day for first shipments of ATI systems

Placebo · 08-30-2006, 12:09 PM

Whose theory was that?

Oh yeah, mine. Well, the card repricing might signal something, so we can hope. I personally can't stand all the waiting.

Placebo · 08-30-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ai51240

I just got an email from Apple informing me that the price of my Mac Pro had dropped by $90. Shipping date is still holding at September 19th. Below are the specs. I don't know which component saw the price reduction.

It was the X1900 XT that got knocked down a bit.

benzene · 08-30-2006, 03:42 PM

Yaay!

My Mac Pro just shipped, should be here by the first.
Does this mean I can finally update my config section on AI?

ZachPruckowski · 08-30-2006, 06:03 PM

Wait, your x1900xt Mac Pro???

Placebo · 08-30-2006, 07:58 PM

Yeah, that sure got my attention.

EDIT: Looked back in the thread; nope, stock video.

Mordak · 08-30-2006, 10:43 PM

the earliest anticipated day by someone at apple has gone by... we will say what the future brings for ATI systems

Xool · 08-31-2006, 12:35 AM

I'm waiting to see if Merom MacBook Pros are announced by next week, otherwise a tricked out 3 GHz Mac Pro will be on its way. If next Tuesday does include MacBook Pros I'll only have about 12 hours to make a decision. A good problem to have I suppose.

Weird to think my potential desktop config would cost more than my notebook config.

finnns2000 · 08-31-2006, 08:24 PM

My Mac Pro finally shipped! I called to remove the AirPort because it was taking forever. No upgraded video card either...

Placebo · 08-31-2006, 09:31 PM

Um, Mac Pros with Airport have already started shipping, I don't know what's going on with yours.

benzene · 08-31-2006, 10:07 PM

Ugh, I need to think BEFORE posting, dammit...BEFORE...

SharkBait · 09-01-2006, 01:01 AM

Placebo - thought you could use this widget...
http://www.dashboardwidgets.com/show...s.php?wid=1468

I'm getting sick of checking on my shipping status, stupid watched pot not boiling...

Universe Man · 09-01-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SharkBait

Placebo - thought you could use this widget...
http://www.dashboardwidgets.com/show...s.php?wid=1468

I'm getting sick of checking on my shipping status, stupid watched pot not boiling...

Thank you for that. Shortly after WWDC, it broke, but it looks like he fixed it yesterday.

finnns2000 · 09-01-2006, 02:26 PM

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Um, Mac Pros with Airport have already started shipping, I don't know what's going on with yours.

Yeah I know, I got impatient...

Mordak · 09-03-2006, 02:35 AM

THIS IS TO ALL WHO CARE TO BE EXCITED:

Quote:

Hello Dax Young,

We wanted to let you know that your order has shipped. If you ordered multiple items, you may receive separate shipments with no additional shipping charges. An invoice for your shipped products will be emailed to you shortly. Visit Order Status to view your order details and track your shipment. If you'd like to request a return, print an invoice or view your account history, please log in to Your Account.

Best regards,
The Apple Store Team

That's right--my ATI system shipped. Got the email at 11:55PM CST September 02.

For anyone wondering, my system was ordered on August 08.

ZachPruckowski · 09-03-2006, 02:39 AM

It took you two hours to tell us? Unforgiveable... :-)

Mordak · 09-03-2006, 02:42 AM

LOL! Good one. Actually I was at a friends place at that time. Shouldve checked the email through my cell ha.

So yeah I had to wait to get home to even find out!

Placebo · 09-03-2006, 09:26 AM

Wow, Mordak, I'm so excited for you. And excited for me too since this means they're shipping.

When did you order again? (please say the same day I ordered EDIT: YOU DID OMG OMG OMG OVERDRIVE MODE)

BTW, Dax is a badass first name.

jansmith · 09-03-2006, 10:20 AM

That's right--my ATI system shipped. Got the email at 11:55PM CST September 02.

For anyone wondering, my system was ordered on August 08.[/QUOTE]

Congratulations, Mordak! I hope to see a similar e-mail soon! I ordered my ATI MacPro on the 7th, but asked them to also pre-load iWork -- perhaps that will delay it a bit. As of this morning, my order is still cancellable.

UnixMac · 09-03-2006, 10:25 AM

Yeah, last night at 10PM got an email stating that my order is due to arrive on Sept 6th!

I've got all of my OWC stuff here waiting, so the minute it gets in, I'll play (and pray it all works).. and be on my wife hopefully by the end of the day.

08-30-2006, 11:01 AM	#181
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08-30-2006, 03:42 PM	#184
benzene Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 337	Yaay! My Mac Pro just shipped, should be here by the first. Does this mean I can finally update my config section on AI? The secret of life: Proteins fold up and bind things.

08-30-2006, 10:43 PM	#187
Mordak Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 165	the earliest anticipated day by someone at apple has gone by... we will say what the future brings for ATI systems Insert witty message here. Earth.ini corrupt;God.sys not found;Reboot Universe?>_

08-31-2006, 12:35 AM	#188
Xool Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,441	I'm waiting to see if Merom MacBook Pros are announced by next week, otherwise a tricked out 3 GHz Mac Pro will be on its way. If next Tuesday does include MacBook Pros I'll only have about 12 hours to make a decision. A good problem to have I suppose. Weird to think my potential desktop config would cost more than my notebook config. Download BARTsmart BART Widget, the best BART schedule widget for Mac OS X's Dashboard.

08-31-2006, 10:07 PM	#191
benzene Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 337	Ugh, I need to think BEFORE posting, dammit...BEFORE... The secret of life: Proteins fold up and bind things.

08-26-2006, 09:43 AM	#162
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Yeah, price might even go down by the time it ships.

08-26-2006, 11:24 AM	#165
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Crucial says they'll have gigsticks within 1-2 weeks.

08-27-2006, 02:28 PM	#170
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Yeah, and I need 2GB regardless of channel saturation, so it's win-win. Wait, was he testing two gig sticks (two channels) versus four 512 sticks (four channels), or something less fair where the four-channel setup had more RAM? Because that could have skewed it a bit.

08-28-2006, 10:05 AM	#172
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Yeah, it is pretty damned confusing because then we have to thing of whether having larger stick sizes results in longer memory reference times, etc etc. I'll just stick with the ol' rule of thumb: MORE RAM

08-28-2006, 10:53 AM	#173
ZachPruckowski Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 805	4x512 is better than 2x1024. An interesting question is whether 8x512 is worse than 4x1024 (I think it is because of latency issues on the "back" RAM).

08-29-2006, 02:17 PM	#178
ai51240 Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86	I just got an email from Apple informing me that the price of my Mac Pro had dropped by $90. Shipping date is still holding at September 19th. Below are the specs. I don't know which component saw the price reduction. 2.00 GHz Quad Xeon 1GB 667 DDR2 FB DIMM ECC-2x512 ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB 250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s drive Airprt Extrm & BT 2.0+EDR

08-30-2006, 12:09 PM	#182
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Whose theory was that? Oh yeah, mine. Well, the card repricing might signal something, so we can hope. I personally can't stand all the waiting.

08-30-2006, 06:03 PM	#185
ZachPruckowski Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 805	Wait, your x1900xt Mac Pro???

08-30-2006, 07:58 PM	#186
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Yeah, that sure got my attention. EDIT: Looked back in the thread; nope, stock video.

08-31-2006, 08:24 PM	#189
finnns2000 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 15	My Mac Pro finally shipped! I called to remove the AirPort because it was taking forever. No upgraded video card either...

08-31-2006, 09:31 PM	#190
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Um, Mac Pros with Airport have already started shipping, I don't know what's going on with yours.

09-01-2006, 01:01 AM	#192
SharkBait Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 61	Placebo - thought you could use this widget... http://www.dashboardwidgets.com/show...s.php?wid=1468 I'm getting sick of checking on my shipping status, stupid watched pot not boiling...

09-03-2006, 02:39 AM	#196
ZachPruckowski Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 805	It took you two hours to tell us? Unforgiveable... :-)

09-03-2006, 02:42 AM	#197
Mordak Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 165	LOL! Good one. Actually I was at a friends place at that time. Shouldve checked the email through my cell ha. So yeah I had to wait to get home to even find out! Insert witty message here. Earth.ini corrupt;God.sys not found;Reboot Universe?>_

09-03-2006, 09:26 AM	#198
Placebo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: http://tinyurl.com/fswz7 Posts: 5,725	Wow, Mordak, I'm so excited for you. And excited for me too since this means they're shipping. When did you order again? (please say the same day I ordered EDIT: YOU DID OMG OMG OMG OVERDRIVE MODE) BTW, Dax is a badass first name. Last edited by Placebo; 09-03-2006 at 09:33 AM..

09-03-2006, 10:20 AM	#199
jansmith Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 11	That's right--my ATI system shipped. Got the email at 11:55PM CST September 02. For anyone wondering, my system was ordered on August 08.[/QUOTE] Congratulations, Mordak! I hope to see a similar e-mail soon! I ordered my ATI MacPro on the 7th, but asked them to also pre-load iWork -- perhaps that will delay it a bit. As of this morning, my order is still cancellable.

09-03-2006, 10:25 AM	#200
UnixMac Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 65	Yeah, last night at 10PM got an email stating that my order is due to arrive on Sept 6th! I've got all of my OWC stuff here waiting, so the minute it gets in, I'll play (and pray it all works).. and be on my wife hopefully by the end of the day. Mac Pro 3.0, 5.0GB OWC RAM, WD 74GB Raptor System Disk, 2x500GB Deskstar RAID0, 500GB Deskstar, ATI 1900XT 512MB, 30" Display, iSight, Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. iMac 1.83 Core Duo PowerBook G4 1.5

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