Pesky Psystar to emerge from Chapter 11 with new Mac offering

[AppleInsider]

Battered, bankrupt, and thought to be wobbling on its last leg, Psystar this week proved that it can still turn heads when it announced that it will soon emerge from Chapter 11 bearing its fastest Mac system yet.

In an email to its customers, fans, and intrigued journalists, the unauthorized Mac clone maker introduced the Open(7), which will reportedly marry Mac OS X with Intel's Nehalem Xeon chips to yield the company's "fastest and most quiet computing configuration" yet.

TheDoral, Fla.-based solutions provider also used the same email to inform those following its legal proceedings with Apple that its decision to file for Chapter 11 in May was "critical" to maintaining its daily operations, but that the company now sees itself "ready to emerge" from bankruptcy and "again battle Goliath."

"More information will be available in the coming days when we will be formally discharged by the Bankruptcy court," the e-mail concludes. "When life gives you apples, make apple sauce."

As ChannelWeb most appropriately puts it, the email is the "latest twist in a bizarre saga that began last July" when Apple, fed up with the Psystar's online sale of a $399 knock-off Mac systems running hacked versions of the Mac OS X operating system, sued the little-known company on grounds of copyright infringement.

Pystar retaliated with a counterclaim of is own, alleging that Apple was violating anti-trust laws through the terms of its Mac OS X end user license agreement, which forbids the installation of the software on non-Apple hardware.

The court eventually threw out Pystar's anti-trust claims but allowed the company to proceed with its second line of defense, which argues that Apple wrongfully extended the scope of its Mac OS copyright through the end user license agreement.

For its part, Apple has also said in court documents that it believes Psystar may be part of a larger conspiracy and is seeking to uncover unknown parties who may be secretly backing the clone maker, either financially or otherwise, in its efforts to disrupt Apple's stronghold on Mac hardware sales.

In an amended motion filed in late May, Psystar attributed its hardships to the turbulent global economy and pullback in consumer spending, saying the crisis has spilled over to its creditors, who have tightened their terms and become more demanding for immediate payments.

"Debtor’s vendors due to their own financial problems are not being able to supply all necessary items to allow Debtor to produce their product, thus, forcing Debtor to pay higher prices for parts in order to fulfill customer orders in a timely manner and to assure satisfaction with the product," Psystar's attorneys wrote. "These factors seriously contribute to the Debtor not being able to turn a significant profit in each sale."

Psystar's request for bankruptcy threatened to delay its case against the official Mac maker because the proceedings in that case were put on hold while the bankruptcy court began hearing the clone maker's case for Chapter 11 protection. However, Apple a little over one week ago successfully won its motion to have the temporary stay in the case lifted. That ruling overturned the automatic freeze on any court proceedings that followed when Psystar filed for Chapter 11 in May.

[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]

[chronster]

too funny

[solipsism]

Queue the debate about programming code copyrights that somehow spiral into a debate about the pointless EULA….

Though the Psystar supports keep becoming less and less as the situation evolves.

[hmurchison]

This story

was boring like two months ago.

[Dr Millmoss]

They say they're emerging from Chapter 11, but what does the court say?

Originally Posted by hmurchison

This story

was boring like two months ago.

Funny, I'm just starting to get interested. It's like a bad movie melodrama that somehow gets better the longer it goes on.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

They say they're emerging from Chapter 11, but what does the court say?

The court are the ones who lifted the bankruptcy after Apple filed to have it lifted, claiming that Psystar was using it to hide behind.

[Dr Millmoss]

Originally Posted by solipsism

The court are the ones who lifted the bankruptcy after Apple filed to have it lifted, claiming that Psystar was using it to hide behind.

Where do you read that? I know what Apple has claimed, but even according to this story, Psystar is only anticipating emerging from Chapter 11. I find no indication that this has actually occurred.

[chronster]

To be honest, if I had disposable income at the moment, I might buy one of their new i7 machines just out of curiosity basically. I mean, a few years from now, if I still had it, I could be like, "I have a Psystar machine, remember them? No? LOL!"

[Booga]

Originally Posted by solipsism

The court are the ones who lifted the bankruptcy after Apple filed to have it lifted, claiming that Psystar was using it to hide behind.

Apple just requested lifting the stay on litigation while the Chapter 11 proceeded. It looks like since the Chapter 11 gambit didn't work to protect themselves from Apple, Psystar doesn't need it anymore and quickly "emerged".

[Dr Millmoss]

Originally Posted by Booga

Apple just requested lifting the stay on litigation while the Chapter 11 proceeded. It looks like since the Chapter 11 gambit didn't work to protect themselves from Apple, Psystar doesn't need it anymore and quickly "emerged".

As I understand it, yes. But I don't see where they have actually been released from Chapter 11 proceedings, only that they claim they will be soon. This may or may not be a real difference.

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss

Where do you read that? I know what Apple has claimed, but even according to this story, Psystar is only anticipating emerging from Chapter 11. I find no indication that this has actually occurred.

Originally Posted by Booga

Apple just requested lifting the stay on litigation while the Chapter 11 proceeded. It looks like since the Chapter 11 gambit didn't work to protect themselves from Apple, Psystar doesn't need it anymore and quickly "emerged".

I should have been more clearer. I meant the bankruptcy protection staying the lawsuit was lifted, not that the bankrupcty itself was withdrawn.

[Bregalad]

It'll be interesting to see if Psystar's financial supporters can continue to remain hidden. Clearly they have someone with deep pockets behind the scenes.

I'm intrigued to hear that they've got Leopard running on a Core i7 based PC. Much as I want Apple to prevail in this court case their steadfast refusal to offer any true desktop Mac has me seriously considering a hackintosh.

Some say Apple won't offer a true desktop because it would destroy iMac sales. I have a friend with a hackintosh he built 2 years ago for the price of the entry level iMac. That machine is still faster than the top-of-the-line 2009 iMac. So before considering the much greater expansion and upgrade capabilities of the hackintosh, it's still going to remain usably fast two years longer than an iMac. If Apple had such a machine in their lineup, customers who currently replace their iMac every 4 years would be able to hang onto their towers for 6 years. The great debate has always been whether or not Apple could attract sufficient new customers to make up for the longer upgrade cycle and increased costs of a desktop lineup with 4 models instead of 3.

Within Apple I don't believe such a debate has ever occurred. I believe Apple considers desktops to be dinosaurs and have absolutely no interest in making one regardless of the financial implications.

Apple doesn't want me as a customer because I think bang for the buck is far more important than portability. I simply cannot envision any point in the future where I would want to buy a notebook computer. To me the perfect combination is a desktop with lots of power and storage plus a handheld portable device like the iPhone.

[WPLJ42]

Apple could solve this whole thing by adding the Intel processors used in the iMac line, into the Pro. If Apple could sell a Pro + 24" LED monitor for $2500, how cool would that be? Then again, I don't run Apple, do I! On the other hand, and you knew there would be, I know where there are used Power Mac G5s for sale at an average price of $1250.

[Nano_tube]

Just look at this:
Psystar Open 7 Workstation:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
6 GB DDR3 RAM
1 TB HD
GeForce 9500GT GTX 512MB
DVD-RW
802.11n (PCI-E 1x) (added)
FW 400 + 800 (added)
Mac OS X + iLife + iWork
================
$1,734

Apple Mac Pro, DEFAULT configuration:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
3 GB DDR3 RAM
640 GB HD
GeForce GT 120 512MB
DVD-RW
Mac OS X + iLife
NO WIRELESS
FW 800 ONLY
Mac OS X + iLife
================
$2,499

$765 more for the same computer!
F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

$765 more for the same computer!

I’m not saying that isn’t a good deal to suit one’s needs, but you really should look up the word “same” in a dictionary.


Price of CPUs from the Intel price sheet...

Mac Pro :: X5550 (8M L2 cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.66 GHz (95W) 6.40 GT/sec Intel® QPI 45nm) $958
Open(7) :: W3520 (8M L2 cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.66 GHz (130W) 4.80 GT/sec Intel® QPI 45nm) $284

Difference in just the processor costs in batches of 1000 is… $714

[gabberattack]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

Just look at this:
Psystar Open 7 Workstation:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
6 GB DDR3 RAM
1 TB HD
GeForce 9500GT GTX 512MB
DVD-RW
802.11n (PCI-E 1x) (added)
FW 400 + 800 (added)
Mac OS X + iLife + iWork
================
$1,734

Apple Mac Pro, DEFAULT configuration:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
3 GB DDR3 RAM
640 GB HD
GeForce GT 120 512MB
DVD-RW
Mac OS X + iLife
NO WIRELESS
FW 800 ONLY
Mac OS X + iLife
================
$2,499

$765 more for the same computer!
F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!

Heh - really the same? :-)

http://store.psystar.com/media/catal...p/r/pro3_1.png

VS

http://images.apple.com/macpro/image...ro20090303.png

[irnchriz]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

Just look at this:
Psystar Open 7 Workstation:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
6 GB DDR3 RAM
1 TB HD
GeForce 9500GT GTX 512MB
DVD-RW
802.11n (PCI-E 1x) (added)
FW 400 + 800 (added)
Mac OS X + iLife + iWork
================
$1,734

Apple Mac Pro, DEFAULT configuration:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
3 GB DDR3 RAM
640 GB HD
GeForce GT 120 512MB
DVD-RW
Mac OS X + iLife
NO WIRELESS
FW 800 ONLY
Mac OS X + iLife
================
$2,499

$765 more for the same computer!
F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!

Apart from the fact that you get no support for the OS or hardware especially when psystar goes tits up. I can just imagine the calls to Apple support
Support rep: May I take your serial number?
Fool that bought the psystar PC: Erm, its a Psystar..
Support rep: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL click.

[paxman]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!

Me. Apple Tax is a made-up term. There is no such thing. Its a catchy phrase to use against Apple. Apple decides what it sells its wares for like everybody else. Love it or loath it, but there ain't no thing such as Apple Tax.

[NasserAE]

Originally Posted by Booga

Apple just requested lifting the stay on litigation while the Chapter 11 proceeded. It looks like since the Chapter 11 gambit didn't work to protect themselves from Apple, Psystar doesn't need it anymore and quickly "emerged".

Yep, the bankruptcy thing didn't work as they wished. Time for plan C

[MacTripper]

Hire me to spy on Pystar.

PM me for qualifications...

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by NasserAE

Yep, the bankruptcy thing didn't work as they wished. Time for plan C

I think Psystar is well beyond the there third plan at this point.

[Hudson1]

Considering the bankruptcy filing didn't thwart Apple's lawsuit, the request to remove the bankruptcy protection so quickly only makes it look like the initial filing was done only to stop Apple.

Also, I was somewhat amused by Prystar's filing as they previously had made these references to not keeping any accounting books, etc. How do they know to file for bankruptcy when they don't even have a financial picture of their company?

[LE Studios]

My ONLY wish for Psystar is a public execution using method of death by hanging, oh God let me pull the lever!

[Nano_tube]

Originally Posted by irnchriz

Apart from the fact that you get no support for the OS or hardware especially when psystar goes tits up. I can just imagine the calls to Apple support
Support rep: May I take your serial number?
Fool that bought the psystar PC: Erm, its a Psystar..
Support rep: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL click.

What I am saying is that Apple is ripping us Mac users in one way or another.
This should be the price at the apple store, not on Psystar's.

And as for the CPU, I am sure that there is a "huge" difference between them. And you know what? even IF what you are saying is true about the difference, Apple should present buyers with the option: what type of CPU do you want? They are boxing us in, taking a premium price - F*CK them.

I have a PC running Win7 right beside me, a Quad 6600, 4GB Ram, 9800GTX 512MB, etc. It cost me a year ago like $1,500± and it runs like a king. Put Mac OS X on this baby and it will fly!

Why shouldn't we have such a deal for a normal Mac? why should we get stuck with either an iMac OR a Mac Pro? WHERE IS THE *NORMAL* MAC?!

So F*ck them!

[Mr.Scott]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

Just look at this:
Psystar Open 7 Workstation:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
6 GB DDR3 RAM
1 TB HD
GeForce 9500GT GTX 512MB
DVD-RW
802.11n (PCI-E 1x) (added)
FW 400 + 800 (added)
Mac OS X + iLife + iWork
================
$1,734

Apple Mac Pro, DEFAULT configuration:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
3 GB DDR3 RAM
640 GB HD
GeForce GT 120 512MB
DVD-RW
Mac OS X + iLife
NO WIRELESS
FW 800 ONLY
Mac OS X + iLife
================
$2,499

$765 more for the same computer!
F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!

So Apple is a bunch of thieves eh? Well then I guess Psystar is a bunch of thieves as well. Oh and they're idiots too.. Remember you pay for what you get...

[chadisawesome]

Originally Posted by Bregalad

I'm intrigued to hear that they've got Leopard running on a Core i7 based PC. Much as I want Apple to prevail in this court case their steadfast refusal to offer any true desktop Mac has me seriously considering a hackintosh.

I built an i7 hackintosh a few months ago. cost about 2k when it was all said and done.

I have an overclocked i7, 12 gig of ram, 2 harddrives, a dual monitor video card, and a legit copy of leopard for less than the macpro.

While I had some troubles initially with the process, 10.5.7 added core i7 compatibility, and it's been smooth sailing since. no crashes, everything works native and it's super fast.

anyone thinking about a macpro, with a little bit of patience can do it... step by step instructions are out there and it's easier then you might think.

[dillio]

I am an Apple fan, and I recommend them to anyone. I currently have an iPod touch only from Apple. The PCs from them are too expensive. I used to have a 20" iMac, bought it used. I'll probably buy one refurbished at some point to run Logic.

But, they are too expensive. I wish they were cheaper. I'd like the result of this Psystar conflict to be cheaper Apples. I actually like Psystar. They're gutsy, and they seem to make interesting points in regards to what one can do with a purchased version of MacOS X.

More power to them!

[chronster]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

Just look at this:
Psystar Open 7 Workstation:
Core i7 Xeon 2.66GHz
6 GB DDR3 RAM
1 TB HD
[blah blah blah lol]
NO WIRELESS
FW 800 ONLY
Mac OS X + iLife
================
$2,499

$765 more for the same computer!
F*ck Apple, what a sorry ass bunch of thieves. Now, who has the balls to tell me that the there is no apple tax?!

dude, you're opening up pandora's box here with this comment. People will argue with you up and down even if you present the most practical argument.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I’m not saying that isn’t a good deal to suit one’s needs, but you really should look up the word “same” in a dictionary.


Price of CPUs from the Intel price sheet...

Mac Pro :: X5550 (8M L2 cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.66 GHz (95W) 6.40 GT/sec Intel® QPI 45nm) $958
Open(7) :: W3520 (8M L2 cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.66 GHz (130W) 4.80 GT/sec Intel® QPI 45nm) $284

Difference in just the processor costs in batches of 1000 is… $714

Which one can be overclocked with bios settings? Does apple let you do that? I'm not 100% certain the motherboard psystar chose lets you, but I'd definitely bet on Psystar in that...

Originally Posted by gabberattack

Heh - really the same? :-)

http://store.psystar.com/media/catal...p/r/pro3_1.png

VS

http://images.apple.com/macpro/image...ro20090303.png

You're comparing it by looks? Oh good grief, you MUST be an apple fanboy! (just kidding )

Originally Posted by irnchriz

Apart from the fact that you get no support for the OS or hardware especially when psystar goes tits up. I can just imagine the calls to Apple support
Support rep: May I take your serial number?
Fool that bought the psystar PC: Erm, its a Psystar..
Support rep: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL click.

Assuming there's anything wrong with them.

Maybe it's just me (because I'm such a geek) but customer support has very little to no influence in purchasing decisions I make. I wonder if a mac genius thinks the same way as a pc genius...

[chronster]

Originally Posted by solipsism

I think Psystar is well beyond the there third plan at this point.

I think they're on plan L here, ride this gig down in a blaze of glory!

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

What I am saying is that Apple is ripping us Mac users in one way or another.
This should be the price at the apple store, not on Psystar's.

And as for the CPU, I am sure that there is a "huge" difference between them. And you know what? even IF what you are saying is true about the difference, Apple should present buyers with the option: what type of CPU do you want? They are boxing us in, taking a premium price - F*CK them.

I have a PC running Win7 right beside me, a Quad 6600, 4GB Ram, 9800GTX 512MB, etc. It cost me a year ago like $1,500± and it runs like a king. Put Mac OS X on this baby and it will fly!

Why shouldn't we have such a deal for a normal Mac? why should we get stuck with either an iMac OR a Mac Pro? WHERE IS THE *NORMAL* MAC?!

So F*ck them!

Price of CPUs from the Intel price sheet...

Mac Pro :: X5550 (8M L2 cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.66 GHz (95W) 6.40 GT/sec Intel® QPI 45nm) $958
Open(7) :: W3520 (8M L2 cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.66 GHz (130W) 4.80 GT/sec Intel® QPI 45nm) $284

Difference in just the processor costs in batches of 1000 is… $714

Your idea that a company should be required to make a machine that suits exactly your needs is absolutely ridiculous! Companies make products to suit the customers they want. If you don’t fit into that grouping then tough noogies. That is how a capitalist society works. I certainly don’t fit into the group that can afford a Buggati Veyron* but don’t complain because they don’t make a cheaper model to suit my specific less-than-supercar interests.

* Watched this week’s Top Gear today.

[charlituna]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

$765 more for the same computer!

and when you need tech support from Psystar? how much is that going to cost you in time and money

[solipsism]

Originally Posted by charlituna

and when you need tech support from Psystar? how much is that going to cost you in time and money

Originally, if you needed an OS reinstall or updates, they had you mail the HDD with all your personal information back to them… at your expense!

[irnchriz]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

What I am saying is that Apple is ripping us Mac users in one way or another.
This should be the price at the apple store, not on Psystar's.

And as for the CPU, I am sure that there is a "huge" difference between them. And you know what? even IF what you are saying is true about the difference, Apple should present buyers with the option: what type of CPU do you want? They are boxing us in, taking a premium price - F*CK them.

I have a PC running Win7 right beside me, a Quad 6600, 4GB Ram, 9800GTX 512MB, etc. It cost me a year ago like $1,500± and it runs like a king. Put Mac OS X on this baby and it will fly!

Why shouldn't we have such a deal for a normal Mac? why should we get stuck with either an iMac OR a Mac Pro? WHERE IS THE *NORMAL* MAC?!

So F*ck them!

Maybe you should go off and play bonnie with your windows 7 system then?

I am sure Apple are managing fine without your business. Oh, wait. Yes they are. The only PC company to show growth in a time of recession.

If I had spent millions on an OS and hardware design (remember Apple use NO OFF THE SHELF MOTHERBOARDS) and some little prick company came along and started to release clones of my kit I would use a small amount of the billions in the bank to give them a pair of concrete boots.

[Nano_tube]

Originally Posted by chronster

dude, you're opening up pandora's box here with this comment. People will argue with you up and down even if you present the most practical argument.

Which one can be overclocked with bios settings? Does apple let you do that? I'm not 100% certain the motherboard psystar chose lets you, but I'd definitely bet on Psystar in that...

You're comparing it by looks? Oh good grief, you MUST be an apple fanboy! (just kidding )

Assuming there's anything wrong with them.

Maybe it's just me (because I'm such a geek) but customer support has very little to no influence in purchasing decisions I make. I wonder if a mac genius thinks the same way as a pc genius...

Bro, I am an avid fan of Mac OS X. I want to keep using it. But Apple's hardware is a different story.
I *HATE* the iMac. I love towers, but the Mac Pro price is ridicules.

They lowered the price on the MB Air $700!!! Just like that! in a sec! WTF?! This means people that bought a MB Air just a day before paid a $700 premium! THIEVES!

GIVE ME A NORMAL MAC.
Core i7 920 (costs $280)
Supporting up to 16G of normal DDR3 RAM

BAM the price goes down to a normal scale.
GIMME YOUR BEST SHOT FELLOW MAC USERS: EXPLAIN TO ME WTF IS THEIR PROBLEM WITH GIVING US MAC USERS A SYSTEM LIKE THAT?!

[irnchriz]

Originally Posted by chadisawesome

I built an i7 hackintosh a few months ago. cost about 2k when it was all said and done.

I have an overclocked i7, 12 gig of ram, 2 harddrives, a dual monitor video card, and a legit copy of leopard for less than the macpro.

While I had some troubles initially with the process, 10.5.7 added core i7 compatibility, and it's been smooth sailing since. no crashes, everything works native and it's super fast.

anyone thinking about a macpro, with a little bit of patience can do it... step by step instructions are out there and it's easier then you might think.

Anyone?

Hardly. As documented by many sites it takes a fair bit of tweaking to get it all working and it is NEVER bug free.

[chronster]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

Bro, I am an avid fan of Mac OS X. I want to keep using it. But Apple's hardware is a different story.
I *HATE* the iMac. I love towers, but the Mac Pro price is ridicules.

They lowered the price on the MB Air $700!!! Just like that! in a sec! WTF?! This means people that bought a MB Air just a day before paid a $700 premium! THIEVES!

GIVE ME A NORMAL MAC.
Core i7 920 (costs $280)
Supporting up to 16G of normal DDR3 RAM

BAM the price goes down to a normal scale.
GIMME YOUR BEST SHOT FELLOW MAC USERS: EXPLAIN TO ME WTF IS THEIR PROBLEM WITH GIVING US MAC USERS A SYSTEM LIKE THAT?!

You're right man. A normal mac would sell and I doubt anyone would see much of a performance different between the two processors mentioned earlier.

I remember a friend in college bought an Intel core 2 extreme while I just bought an e6600. After overclocking mine to 3.4, and him being the moron at computers that he was and leaving it at stock speed, not only did mine run circles around his, it did it at a quarter of the cost lol.

Oh well. I think I shouldn't check this thread. There's going to be idiotic statements coming from everywhere.

[irnchriz]

Originally Posted by Nano_tube

Bro, I am an avid fan of Mac OS X. I want to keep using it. But Apple's hardware is a different story.
I *HATE* the iMac. I love towers, but the Mac Pro price is ridicules.

They lowered the price on the MB Air $700!!! Just like that! in a sec! WTF?! This means people that bought a MB Air just a day before paid a $700 premium! THIEVES!

GIVE ME A NORMAL MAC.
Core i7 920 (costs $280)
Supporting up to 16G of normal DDR3 RAM

BAM the price goes down to a normal scale.
GIMME YOUR BEST SHOT FELLOW MAC USERS: EXPLAIN TO ME WTF IS THEIR PROBLEM WITH GIVING US MAC USERS A SYSTEM LIKE THAT?!

Why should they? Because you say so? Get over yourself. Apple are not about to become a beige box shifter. As I stated before Apple are the only PC company showing growth whilst other firms are slipping.

[OC4Theo]

These Pystar guys should be hauled to jail. Why does everyone want to join on the bandwagon of Apple? Why don't these bastards come up with their own product? Microsoft, Sony, Dell, Palm, Samsung, LG, Sandisk, Nokia, RIM, etc, etc, etc. Copycats and don't want to spend money to research their own products.

Apple spends hundreds of millions of dollars to develop a product, and these assholes want to make money out of it. What happen to Copyright protection? Somebody should just go ahead and light their illegal factory.

Are you sure these guys are not cocaine dealers trying to wash their drug cash? I will not be surprised, after all they are in Florida.

And for all you people who complain about Apple's prices, all I can say is ; Go get your whining ass a damn PC clone, or a Zune, or a Motorola".

You don't want to pay, don't buy. You do not build a fake Lexus with a Lexus engine, because you think Lexus is too expensive. Mac OS X is the Apple Engine. You can put it a machine not produced by Apple and sell it for a profit, without Apple's permission. It is called; "Theft of Intellectual Property". Without MAC OS X, there is no Apple Inc. This is the Age of Software, and Apple is in the driver's seat. Anyone who wants a ride, should pay full price.

I say again; " Hang these criminals!"

[chronster]

Originally Posted by irnchriz

Why should they? Because you say so? Get over yourself. Apple are not about to become a beige box shifter. As I stated before Apple are the only PC company showing growth whilst other firms are slipping.

What did Apple say or do to make you the way you are today? Rather than expect more, you accept less.

Amazing really.

[chronster]

Originally Posted by OC4Theo

Without MAC OS X, there is no Apple Inc.

Without unix, there's no osx