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Apple rivals DVD with new iTunes Extras for movies and albums
The new iTunes 9 offers special "iTunes Extras" as free downloads with the purchase of "iTunes LP" albums or movies. The new free bonus content is delivered as a self-contained website of bonus materials, making it easy to author.
Apple's new move into bonus materials helps to enrich its media downloads, making iTunes digital albums more attractive to purchase as a complete set and positioning its movies better against the bonus features available on DVDs. Apple has offered simple PDF digital booklets with certain albums in the past, a step the new Extras builds upon. The DVD Forum has attempted to deliver DVD-A its own specification for value-added music albums, and Blu-Ray has similarly floated an audio version of the format, but along with SA-CD and other attempts to improve upon the CD, these efforts have all fizzled. Previously referred to under the Cocktail codename, Apple's new initiative delivers a single .ite file along with standard purchased album tracks or the movie file. The iTunes Extra file is actually a bundle, which is directory of files masquerading as a single file. Inside the bundle are navigation pages built using web-standards including HTML pages, Javascript code and CSS presentation, along with content folders containing regular PNG graphics, AAC audio and H.264 video files. The package is essentially a self-contained website, although its FairPlay content requires iTunes 9 to view. The ease of building this Extras content should help popularize the new bonus materials, and a quick review of the iTunes Store shows a variety of artists' albums and movie titles sporting the new bonus materials. Unlike earlier attempts to create a super CD format, iTunes doesn't require anything more than a software update to the free version 9 in order to play the new Extras content. The newly unveiled Cocktail initiative may help explain why Apple hasn't thrown much effort behind developing its DVD authoring tools recently, and why it has pointedly ignored the Blu-Ray authoring market. DVD authoring requires participating in a licensing program that includes a book of authoring specifications. Apple Shuns DVD and Blu-Ray Authoring Apple entered the DVD authoring business when it bought Astarte in 2000, resulting in DVD Studio Pro and the consumer-oriented iDVD title. It then bought Spruce Technologies and released that company's authoring tools as DVD Studio Pro 2.0. Since the 4.x release in early 2006, Apple has done little to update the program, which still ships as part of Final Cut Studio. The iDVD portion of iLife has similarly only received the barest of attention over the last few years. While Apple updated its DVD authoring tools to support changes required to create HD-DVD discs, it never threw its support being the format, which has since collapsed after a protracted battle against the rival Blu-Ray specification. Similarly, despite being a member of the Blu-Ray Disk Association, Apple hasn't released authoring tools for that format either. Apple recently added raw Blu-Ray disc burning support to Final Cut Studio, but this lacks any capacity to actually author navigation; the resulting Blu-Ray disc just contains plain video. This is commonly used to distribute edited work for review. Third party tools are required to author a fancy user interface for finished Blu-Ray discs targeted at consumers. The Blu-Ray specification uses navigation and content presentation tools based upon Sun's Java, called BD-J, to both frame the video and any interactive bonus content on the disc. It is also designed to enable accessing the Internet to find additional content published after the disc was shipped. Different Blu-ray players support different minimal versions of the BD-J, and the BD-J runtime results in significant hardware requirements (similar to a low end PC) which have priced Blu-Ray players out of the mainstream of the market. Apple's Competitive Cocktail By offering easy to create, standards-based bonus content that does not require complex and convoluted authoring tools, Apple appears to be hoping to convert more users from DVD disc buyers to iTunes download customers. While downloaded videos can't match the quality of Blu-Ray movies, the mass market has still not embraced the Blu-ray format, leaving Apple with a large market to address. Presenting iTunes Extras on Apple TV, and potentially on mobile devices such as the iPhone and iPod touch, may also follow as Apple builds out its efforts to popularize albums and movies with the bonus materials. For both movies and albums, iTunes Extras also differentiate Apple's own offerings in iTunes from identical content sold by other content distributors, such as Amazon. |
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wheres the beatles ???
Change your company's name. Not that big of a deal.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Ireland
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Movies only in some countries. DVD importing should be added anyway. People shouldn't have to break the law to watch content they already own.
Collecting my SSD iMac Fry-die. :D
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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iTunes Plus
So has anyone been able to spot the old 'upgrade your iTunes purchases to iTunes Plus purchases a la carte" option? I can't seem to locate it.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK
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Price kills movie downloads
I'd love to buy all new movies as downloads but simply refuse to pay the same price as physical DVDs or Blu Rays, why should I?
They don't have to burn it to disc, seal it, ship it and pay shops commision, downloads should reflect this but they don't! ![]()
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Do you get the extras when you rent a movie, or only when you buy it? Because there's no way in hell I'm paying $20 to buy an "HD" movie that's compressed to 1/10th the size of the equivalent film on Blu-Ray for about the same price.
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As for this iTunes Extras thing rivaling DVD, I'd have to say, "Not really." As far as has been said, all the bonus content is stuck on on your computer. Hardly how I want to watch a movie or the bonus features. And even if it comes to the AppleTV, that would still require someone to go buy an AppleTV and then start purchasing these movies instead of just buying the DVD for the machine they already have (and have another device attached to the TV with yet another remote). Doesn't really sound like a good prospect for a product that doesn't provide anything new. No doubt fanboys on this site will latch onto it and declare DVD dead; DVD is dying but it's Blu-Ray that is killing it, not iTunes movie downloads or even the entire movie download market. |
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I am not sure though how the lack of focus by Apple on the authoring front has so much at all to do with the consuming end, unless Apple are going to offer this authoring facility to end users to run their content through itunes? Nothing in the article suggests that to be the case, although if the tools were available it would be awesome way to retrofit previously obtained content. |
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Paul is dead, John Lennon buried him personally or hadn't you heard?!?!
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Thank you for a funky time, call me up whenever you wanna grind...
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Regarding the claim that Blu-Ray players are priced "out of the mainstream of the market", they're cheaper than an Apple TV or two of the three iPod Touch models. Who in their right mind would spend $229 to get their overpriced, overcompressed digital movies (of which the selection is limited I might add) onto their HDTV, when they could spend about the same on a Blu-Ray player (whose movies cost the same but are ten times larger in file size) that also includes Netflix streaming, Blockbuster streaming, Pandora streaming and YouTube support. |
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And then you have to spend extra money to back them up I'd buy an xbox for the netflix integration but I'd rather get blu-Ray on ps3 |
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Can I upgrade previously bought films?
I bought Iron Man last year from iTunes, can I now upgrade it to the newer version with the extra features?
Owen stop reading my posts.
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I like the lack of physical media my home is currently enjoying, which is why I am happy to pay for digital downloads.
Owen stop reading my posts.
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Of course this may sound like i'm defending Apple or the Movie industry for not giving the consumer what they've been asking for since iTunes went movie, but it's not. It really pisses me off that Apple seems to just thumb their proverbial noses at physical media. There is a benefit people! A hard drive will last you 10 years at best before crashing and even if you constantly back up stuff...it's just too much work for the non-IT person that i am. If i want to buy an album, i get the CD, or just borrow it from a friend and make a back up. I've purchased about 5-10 albums from iTunes and only back episodes of the Daily show for video, since you can't buy that in a store. I buy physical media because it lasts longer than computer hardware. Even DVD/BD players are backwards compatible. And let's not even get into the whole sharing thing. OK, it's great an convenient that you can share everything and download everything on up to 5 computers, but what if you're not married with kids? What if you break up with someone? How in the heck are you going to split up your iTunes collection between you two? If you're not an IT person then you probably will not. and you'll loose a ton of stuff. I'm not tech savvy enough to deal with it. For all you who say physical media is dead now...think again. |
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That’s a good question. Apple had iTunes Plus available for the additional 30¢, but the contracts may be very different with this. I’m sure there will be articles about how to do it or why Apple sucks if you can’t once these extras start appearing for currently available films.
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You mean, a bit like Apple's products?
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Cars and houses are the only thing I would buy where I actually cared about resale value.
Owen stop reading my posts.
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This is the top reason I don't buy from iTunes, that authorized to play thing is just not for me. If I bought it, I am authorized.
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With digital media, you can't even give something away. You can't pawn it, you can't ebay it, you can't rummage it. You can't even borrow a book/CD/movie to or from a friend. Want to sell an old game console and bundle all of the games you bought to sweeten the deal? When digital media takes over, you won't be able to. Want to hand it down to a younger sibling or nephew? You won't even be able to do that. All of these limitations, coupled with the lower quality and equal pricing means digital media is only a win for the studios and the companies pedaling their content, like Apple.
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For all of you thinking that ALL Cds and DVDs last longer than computer hardware . . . think again. I have digital tapes from 12 years ago that still work. Zip cartridges from 15 years ago that still work. Etc., etc., etc. Heck, I even have a Mac FX that still cranks up. But I also have not-so savvy friends who have music CDs that are less than 7 years old that can't play worth a damn. You have to take in care, environment, maintenance, etc. It all depends. It all depends.
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Wow, rivals DVDs with extras, awsome.
When are they going to rival DVDs for price?
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Instant gratification might work for songs — again they are small and cheap — but given that you have to wait hours for your movie to download before you can watch it there's not much of an advantage; I can drive to the store and buy a real copy faster than I can get to watching a crappy iTunes copy that costs me the same. Add to that the fact that distribution rights/release windows limit any digital content provider from building an infinite library of movies the way Apple has with music, and you'll never see movies go the way of music. Last edited by Cory Bauer; 09-09-2009 at 08:36 PM.. |
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That just shows you that convenience is important to even you. I can purchase a video on iTunes, on Netflix streaming, or on Pay-Per-View and have them all start playing right away. If I had a such a slow internet connection to wit I could "drive to the store and buy a real copy faster than I can get to watching a crappy iTunes copy” then i would likely be going to the store to rent my movies instead of use these inferior in quality yet vastly faster (for me) options. Convenience is very important and you’ll see video increase year after year.
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"Free with ads" is not "free." You are paying to watch the program by being forced to watch the ads. It's also bit of a mis-characterisation to talk about "free" or "paid" when you are talking about ephemeral things like streamed content and broadcasts. One can never own anything Hulu puts out, you don't "have" anything in your hand or on your shelf at home. I know this is part of the same argument you are making, but you can't really compare ownership of media with consumption of media streams. That's part of the reason why Jobs insists that people want to own their media, because being a smart guy, he wants to own his. Even though ownership of digital media items is a somewhat lesser ownership than owning a physical copy, and even though owning a physical DVD or Cd is somewhat of a lesser ownership than owning older media like a book or film, it's still ownership of some kind.
It was a widely held belief by the smartest people in late 1400's Europe that human knowledge and indeed civilisation itself, had advanced to such a nearly complete and perfect state, that the "end times" were certainly almost upon them.
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Out of the the 400+ CD's i own, i've had only to re-purchase one because it fell out of my bag and hit the concrete. The rest are flawless, and i'm not really all that careful. Plus, not that they are all safely downloaded on iTunes i have my entire collection in my pocket. Studio CD's (from what i've read) are supposed to last up to 100 years. Way longer than any human needs and for Technology to trump it. If a CD is out lasted by a piece of computer hardware, then you've got problems. |
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Is the QT of today's event available yet??
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More like when are they gonna rival DVDs in resolution?
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You can sell your iTunes version? Who would buy that?
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Also, APple please give us an easy composer of .ite content off our own cd scans. Otherwise this superb innovative feature, which to be honest should of been there already way back, will be a sham and just another way to triple buy the same music for a us. |
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