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Psystar sells $50 software hack to run Snow Leopard on PCs
Mac cloner and enduring litigant Psystar has rolled out a new $50 application that will allow certain Intel-powered PCs to run Mac OS X.
The Florida-based company announced Thursday that any PC with an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, i7 or Xeon Nehalem processor installed can take advantage of its Rebel EFI software hack to run Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. The "Rebel" hack is likely to get the company in even more hot water as an ongoing legal battle with Apple continues over Psystar's unauthorized computers that ship with Mac OS X preinstalled. Psystar and Apple have been embroiled in a legal controversy over Mac OS X usage since July 2008. Thursday's announcement signals another frontier for the bold company beyond selling Mac-booting hardware. Psystar's website includes 38 steps of instructions for installing Mac OS X with its new Rebel EFI tool, with one part of the process that takes 13 separate steps to complete. "Featuring Psystar's newest technology for allowing for the smooth interfacing between operating systems and generic Intel hardware," the product description reads, "Rebel EFI allows for the easy installation of multiple operating systems on a single system." The software is priced at $89.99 at The Psystar Store, but is currently listed with a "special" $40 discount. The company offers it free to try, but with limited hardware functionality and a two-hour runtime. Rebel EFI also runs a hardware scan (seen below). "The authenticated version allows for the permanent installtion [sic] of these OS's on your system, as well as providing the [Darwin Universal Boot Loader], supported hardware profile features and related drivers, and support for the application," Psystar's site states. Earlier this month, Apple and Psystar both requested summary judgment in an attempt to head off a January trial. That news came shortly after Psystar announced it will sell Snow Leopard virtualization technology to third-parties -- the same technology included in the consumer-targeted Rebel EFI. Apple has yet to comment on the latest development in this ongoing saga. |
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The psystar online store is shut down already.
This should be interesting.
MacBook 13.3" • 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo • 4GB RAM • 320GB 7200 RPM HD
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Location: Second star to the right
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Friggin' soap box opera is more like it.
Pity the agnostic dyslectic. They spend all their time contemplating the existence of dog.
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Psystar calls it "Loot" Camp
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I'm actually looking forward to seeing where this goes. If the courts can't stop Psystar and Apple doesn't do any cat & mouse with software updates, I might build a Hackintosh to play with.
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Lost somewhere in the deep south.
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I have a hunch that most of this was ripped off from the work done by the hackintosh crowd and given a gui. These folks steal from everyone. Imho.
Fat drunk and stupid may not be the best way to go through life but it is my preferred modus operandi.
You are coming to a sad realization...cancel or allow? |
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So does this actually alter any of the code of Mac OS X, or simply trick it into installing without actually altering the codebase? While there clones are illegal this software doesn’t seem to violate any copyrights or patents as far as I can tell at this point, much like the EFiX USB chip. And since you are installing it yourself Apple can’t easily come after you for the doing it.
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And Apple may rise prices, require an authentication code and/or a home phone to verify a legal install of OS X. These are things I don’t want to deal with with OS X. |
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Using a retail version of SL, you will also be able to freely update the OS using the regular Apple Software Updater - no piracy and no hacking (buy the retail SL dvd please). The funny stuff is that OS X recognizes my PC as a MacPro2,1 and the cool stuff is that Geekbench scores are a little higher than a MacPro2,1 generation.HackSpec: Core 2 Duo Quad 6600 @ 2.4GHz, 8GB RAM DDR2, GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB, Intel MB, Sound + Lan onboard, LG DVD-RW. Go here for more detail: http://www.insanelymac.com/ Quote:
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cool, get it on thepiratebay asap. Then see who is complaining.
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I wonder why Apple don't do it itself - release Snow Leopard for PC.
Just publish hardware requirements on apple.com and sell it for $129. Windows 7 need real competitor! |
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Psystar's latest attempt to legitimize thievery.
Will not score points with this in court, that's for sure.
(Formerly LTD on Neowin.net) (currently *LTD* on Macrumors.com)
Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers. -- Paul Thurrott, winsupersite.com, December 06, 2004 |
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Wow psystar you guys are masters of engineering, 30+ steps to get your fugly piece of software working. Maybe take some pointers from the people whose stuff your are ripping off next time.
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Do these guys supply their own handcuffs?
Used all Apples from Apple][ through 8 Core Mac Pro
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If they can do this, and MacOffice can rip off NeoOffice and sell it... What's the point. Crack down, and do it now! Anything I can do to help, I'm in. |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Psystar's next act is to Rick Roll the judge.
(Formerly LTD on Neowin.net) (currently *LTD* on Macrumors.com)
Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers. -- Paul Thurrott, winsupersite.com, December 06, 2004 |
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They would have a Windows EXE you download to TEST the PC before... They only make drivers for their hardware. most of the drivers used to get Hackin's working is open source derived or straight from the manufacture (Hello, Realtek).
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't steps 24-38 already part of the standard OSX install?
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As a result of using a Hackintosh, I've already decided that my next computer will be a MacBook Pro. I'm just waiting for the next hardware refresh on the MBP. |
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If they did, they would see how most of the steps involved would be identical to installing OS X on a Mac with a new, unformatted hard drive. Pretty simple stuff really. Sure, there are some necessary extra steps, but it seems to be an incredibly simple process. -kpluck |
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edit: Ok never mind. But sheesh they left out steps like "xx) - Lay palm of hand on top of mouse." "xxx) - extend index finger and push down once." Last edited by isaidso; 10-22-2009 at 11:22 PM.. |
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Maybe I should buil a custom pc...does this stuff really work???
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I ended up buying a Macbook Pro because I was so satisfied with my Hackintosh build. Comparing the two machines the PC on Hackintosh obviously runs much better because it has a far superior graphics card and processor. The MBP did boot faster even with the stock 5400 RPM hard drive (and even faster with the SSD I have in it now) and sleep doesn't work on my Hackintosh because its motherboard is not quite compatible. But apart from those few issues it is faster than most quad core Mac Pros and worked nicely. Nowadays I just use my MBP connected to an external display, keyboard and mouse and have the PC reserved for movies and games running Windows 7. |
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iTunes iPhoto iMovie iDVD iWeb Garageband Pages Numbers Keynote Aperture FinalCut Express FinalCut Studio Logic Studio Logic Express xSAN are pieces of Hardware - hey ? how old are you ? |
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Of course - it's slower then my MB but it's lighter too. You see most Laptops do NOT fit into Hotel safes. All Netbooks do - so if you travel a lot...... |
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Software thieves are gonna be happy. The whole thing will then crash because of that dirty system loader and thieves will be whining about "Mac, which is just as buggy, as any Intel clone is".
Well, that'll make them happy again. |
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As for the software or hardware Apple is these days... Obviously, Apple creates the state-of-the art software. Windows Mobile users first laughing about iPhone (reading it's hardware features list) but later they cry in tears when actually use it. iPhone is the state-of-the-art piece of hardware thanks to its software, I insist! Selling OSX to PC users will be just great addition to actual Apple sales, not anything more. And Apple can use some unique (and patent-protected) hardware devices like multitouch trackpad (you name it) to keep Mac hardware exceptional. Computer business can't be succesful if it based solely on re-selling "made in China" hardware. I hope Apple is smart enough to push OSX on PC. |
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no, if they sell it, sell it for like $300 or $400, so there's very little cost advantage to staying with PC hardware. If it was primarily targeted at businesses, so say, they could get Mac OS on their existing hardware, it may get them hooked on Macs (both experience-wise and financially)
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The last thing any OS X user in their right mind would want is for it to become a Windows clone. There goes nearly every reason to use OS X. Right out the window.
This "open up OS X" garbage seriously has to stop. It's bad business from every angle, and it would certainly be a colossal disservice to the average user. It's not going to happen. Besides, No one, that is, NO ONE in their right mind selling computers or software in the current market is interested in seeing a legal precedent set that blows a hole in the principle of the EULA. Apple succeeds spectacularly with Macs and OS X precisely because it's a closed, controlled ecosystem. Anything else (or anything less), and OS X becomes a Windows clone. And who the hell would want that?? The whole reason behind Apple's business model when it comes to Macs (and their resulting success) is that OS X is tied to Apple's hardware. This is the reason customer satisfaction rates are so high, year after year. This is the reason the also-rans of the industry aspire to render their products more "Mac-like" in every way possible. This "freely use computing hardware the way they want" and "open up OS X" notion lives and dies in small corners of the internet, and in the even smaller corners in which Apple fan sites live, fuelled mainly by the geek/tech-enthusiast minority that (wrongly) thinks it knows whats best for everyone else. In fact, Apple knows best. Period. The proof is in the numbers. Hackintoshes and mucking around with the OS and wailing about "freeing" it is alright for that small segment of Apple's user base (a segment which in the grand scheme of things is inconsequential anyway), but it would be a monumental disservice to the average user. Apple succeeds because of these specific differentiations. It's a coveted business model that others only wish they could emulate successfully. We're at the point now, where if the average user has $1000+ to spend (and apparently, plenty of them do!) a Mac will be near or at the very top of their list. That's quite an accomplishment. It's the reason Ballmer ends up looking stupid, flustered, and tongue-tied at press conferences, especially when he's in a room-full of Macs.And by the way, the last thing Apple's numbers, record Mac sales, and dominance of consumer mindshare and opinion would suggest is for Apple to open up its OS. What's the reason to use OS X then? As an alternative interface? All the real benefits of OS X would be gone. Windows clone. There's simply no demand for that and no reason to do so, especially when Apple's making headlines, dominating mindshare, #1 in satisfaction surveys and reports year after year, the darling of the tech industry, and defying the recession with its current business model. Do you think Apple would be stupid enough to let go of all that?? Sorry folks. You want a Windows hardware experience but with an OS X interface? Not going to happen. You can't have it both ways. Stick with your hobby hackintoshes (because that's all they are), and be relieved that Apple is sticking up for the integrity of its product as well as the average user's interests.
(Formerly LTD on Neowin.net) (currently *LTD* on Macrumors.com)
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I'm not running a Mac keyboard or mouse just yet. What I found is that I find it hard to get used to the mouse acceleration in OSX, so I've installed the Microsoft driver (which lets you override the mouse acceleration provided by OSX) for my IntelliMouse on both my home Hackintosh and my Mac Pro at work. Now I can get the same experience in Windows, Linux, and Mac OSX over my KVM. |
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I'm certainly no fan of Psystar or of what they are trying to do, but I think Apple is going to have a much harder time stopping them from selling this software than they will snuffing their Mac clone business. Apple may try a DMCA claim (which on the face of it, seems far-fetched), or they may choose to ignore it entirely and hope that suing Psystar out of existence makes their software business moot.
What have you done with...
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How much do you think Microsoft earns by "pushing Windows on PC"? |
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