Apple cancels Apple Expo keynote address

[superted]

Macworld is reporting from Apple that there will be no formal presentation at the Paris Mac Expo. The executives from Apple including Steve Jobs will be attending but there will be no Keynote presentation.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/09...php?lsrc=mwrss

[PB]

Originally posted by superted
Macworld is reporting from Apple that there will be no formal presentation at the Paris Mac Expo. The executives from Apple including Steve Jobs will be attending but there will be no Keynote presentation.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/09...php?lsrc=mwrss

What we expected at Paris was a Powerbook update with the new 7448 cpu. This would be a substantial boost to keep the line alive until the switch starts.

Now it seems that this update was postponed. Or cancelled. Or Jobs does not want to face the public (non-developers) in view of the Intel transition. Whatever.

[sunilraman]

looks like september will be interestin, huh? in a few days, sep 7th announcment and then sep 20th (my birthday! i'll be 27 !!) paris.

well, also, sep 11th, 4th year anniversary. yup, 4 years on.

anyway i have a friend from malaysistan going to visit his in-laws in the bay area for a whole month from this weekend. if apple comes up with anything good, and i beg my dad hard enough , he just might be flying back with a new ipod or powerbook dualcore 7448.... wow. the grey side clouds this upcoming moon cycle.....

[paulerskine]

so no keynote, maybe not such a big deal, who thinks they'll update the towers anyway, say tomorrow or next tuesday, steve wouldn't want to make a big deal of the IBM dual core anyway... why shout about technology you're about to ditch, might as well roll them out and just be at the expo to talk up the future of apple...

[sunilraman]

maybe because he had to "set the RDF to 11" for wwdc he has to regenerate his RDF reserves... macworld sf 2006, RDF back on full charge. hopefully

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
...he just might be flying back with a new ipod or powerbook dualcore 7448.... :???

Stop dreaming, there is no such thing like dual core 7448 . 8641D is the dual core gold, but I don't see it in a Powerbook.

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by PB
Stop dreaming, there is no such thing like dual core 7448 . 8641D is the dual core gold, but I don't see it in a Powerbook.

whatevs
maybe i should wish for a girlfriend for my birthday...!!

[sunilraman]

8641D. nice.
dual-core "g4"
up to 1.5ghz
up to 667mhz bus
2mb L2 cache (1mb each core)
DDR2 ram
up to 8x PCIexpress
90nm

simply not profitable for apple though at this stage. i suspect intel can give them similar pentium M goodies for half the price?

btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?"
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
maybe i should wish for a girlfriend for my birthday...!!

A far more realistic wish .

[PB]

Originally posted by sunilraman
8641D. nice.
dual-core "g4"
up to 1.5ghz

Why my eyes see at least 1.5 GHz per e600 core?

simply not profitable for apple though at this stage. i suspect intel can give them similar pentium M goodies for half the price?

I cannot see where you draw your question/conclusion from, but the problem is that the 8641D would require a complete motherboard overhaul, which has probability zero to happen in view of the transition.

btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?"
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks

It seems that his ass got recently... something from Freescale .

[PB]

Well, this must be a first for quite some time in Apple's history. People have already received their keynote badges, for an already cancelled keynote.

[Jimzip]

Dear lord am I meant to understand this...

"The L2 cache is fully pipelined for two-cycle throughput in the MPC7448. It responds with an 11-cycle load latency for an L1 miss that hits in L2 with ECC disabled and 12 cycles when ECC is enabled. In the MPC7448, as many as six outstanding cache misses are allowed between the L1 data cache and L2 bus. In addition, the MPC7448 supports a second cacheable store miss. The processors also provide cache locking to the L1 caches so that key performance algorithms and code can be locked in the L1 cache."

Zoiks.. I thought I was geeky but that just blew my mind apart..
It uh.. it does sound cool though!

On the note of the Keynote though.. Dang it! I love watching those.. Especially when there's new products to announce!

Jimzip

[aplnub]

Originally posted by sunilraman
btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?"
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks

I don't know why more people are not pissed off over this. He lied to the point he can't get on stage and confront anyone because it was such a big fat lie.

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by PB

"Why my eyes see at least 1.5 GHz per e600 core?"
ah because my mind automatically computed, freescale = crap so i subconsciously changed the at least to a at most
damn.... at least 1.5ghz per core. nice...!

"I cannot see where you draw your question/conclusion from...."
the word 'ass' has been used a lot in this thread already, so i shan't ramble on

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by aplnub
I don't know why more people are not pissed off over this. He lied to the point he can't get on stage and confront anyone because it was such a big fat lie.

indeed, i am somewhat disturbed by this turn of events but i'm giving it the whole month to see what turns out and why he may have chosen to do so. the fact that people have paid good money to see the keynote (if i am not wrong), a bit tragic, really... i think someone fucked up a product release that he wanted to announce on the 20th and thought, better pull the keynote now rather than a few days before or worse, announce something
"un-shippable" on the 20th.

you know, given this quarter is perhaps apple's "riskiest" in the past few years, something must have fucked up big for steve to say, okay, let's "cut our losses" (just a figure of speech, not saying they are going to lose money this quarter) and 86 the keynote.

[sunilraman]

(meh... my third post in a row, deleted it.. nothing to see here, move on)

[jwdawso]

My guess is that this is very bad news. My hunch is that Jobs was going to announce either/both PowerMac MPs and 7448 PowerBooks, and IBM/FreeScale cannot deliver. The expected "great powerPC products" are not showing up on schedule. This looks like FreeScale's fingerprints, so I think no more PB updates until Intel, and the IBM MPs are still on the way.

[JLL]

Originally posted by aplnub
I don't know why more people are not pissed off over this. He lied to the point he can't get on stage and confront anyone because it was such a big fat lie.

When did he say that they were supposed to be released three months later?

[snipe]

OTOH perhaps the incredible buzz for Sept 7 caused SJ to rethink any Paris announcement(s) and move it (them) up to this Wednesday

[gar]

Originally posted by PB
A far more realistic wish .

hmm...
almost 27, living in feudal nearbytsunamistan and having his dad to pay for his hightechtoys.

it's far more realistic to hope for a dualcore powerbook at parisexpo than someone of the opposite sex committing an act of passion to sunil in the same timeframe.


[edit] i googled a picture of sunilraman @myMUG... can't you ditch the grandprix of malaysia and get a girlfriend instead... [/edit]

[BRussell]

Originally posted by PB
What we expected at Paris was a Powerbook update with the new 7448 cpu. This would be a substantial boost to keep the line alive until the switch starts.

Who is 'we?' Only if you've been living in a cave would you think Steve would speed-bump the Powerbooks at a keynote. He only introduces all new products. If that's all that's happening, it will come as a press release some Tuesday morning, not at a keynote. I even doubt that he'd introduce dual dual-core PowerMacs at a keynote.

[satchmo]

Originally posted by BRussell
Who is 'we?' Only if you've been living in a cave would you think Steve would speed-bump the Powerbooks at a keynote. He only introduces all new products. If that's all that's happening, it will come as a press release some Tuesday morning, not at a keynote. I even doubt that he'd introduce dual dual-core PowerMacs at a keynote.

Well I know a number of people was hoping he would introduce an all new 13.3 widescreen PB.
I guess there goes another rumour flushed down the toilet again.

[Emin]

Originally posted by superted
Macworld is reporting from Apple that there will be no formal presentation at the Paris Mac Expo.

That is bad news, indeed. Here go my hopes for a better PowerBook by the end of the month...

[1984]

Obviously something is very wrong. They pulled out of the Mac mini deal at the last minute. They pulled out of the keynote at the last minute. Why are they having a Q&A session at the expo? The only question I can see being asked is what the hell is going on?

[PB]

Originally posted by BRussell
Who is 'we?' Only if you've been living in a cave would you think Steve would speed-bump the Powerbooks at a keynote.

Sorry for the confusing phrasing. "We" is me and some others here and elsewhere that expected a new 7448 Powerbook this month, probably at the Apple Expo keynote.

An MPC7448 based Powerbook would easily warrant a keynote presentation. This is not a simple speed-bump like the ones we are used to see in the G4 front. Granted, it is not a G5 but the 7448 processor has many nice improvements and would provide a solid update if Freescale was able to supply it at 1.8-2.0 GHz. Lower power, improved FSB, higher clock speed, more L2 cache and I remember having read somewhere that it has OOOE for Altivec instructions (sorry, no link at this moment).

EDIT: doh, it is in the fact sheet above.

[iDave]

Originally posted by sunilraman
btw,
where are the "great powerPC products?"
steve lied. if there were really "great PowerPC products" in the pipeline he would get his ass on stage and be announcing them in a few weeks

With two years left before the Intel transition is complete, I'd say there's still plenty of time for more "great PowerPC products."

BTW, "great PPC products" can mean any Mac product Apple is currently selling.

Chances are, Apple won't be making such a big deal out of PPC upgrades since they're now focused on Intel. Quiet releases, rather than keynotes, is where we'll probably see them.

[gugy]

well, the situation is bad at Apple.
It seems that this week's announcement is going to be Ipod relate. Now if a canceled keynote in Paris means we might not see anything happening there! I want to cry!
In other words, Maybe not Apple PowerBook or PowerMac until MWSF.

unless Mr. Jobs creates an special event to announce it. It seems that for long time the current line up will be there. Very sad indeed.

PowerBook and PowerMacs need desperately an upgrade. Even with PPC. We all know it will change when Intel comes onboard. but it's too long of a wait.

So, is Steve really lying about amazing PPC products down the pipeline?

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by gar
hmm...
almost 27, living in feudal nearbytsunamistan and having his dad to pay for his hightechtoys.
it's far more realistic to hope for a dualcore powerbook at parisexpo than someone of the opposite sex committing an act of passion to sunil in the same timeframe.
[edit] i googled a picture of sunilraman @myMUG... can't you ditch the grandprix of malaysia and get a girlfriend instead... [/edit]


oh bugger my secret hero identity is revealed. oh i think the picture of me is from diforums not mymug? oh but i'm on the mymug homepage**... hmm

ah well okay if y'all must know
well i was into sex drugs and rock and roll and stuff, only using a mac and being an artist/musician/designer and all that... but kind of ran out of money, couldn't hold down a job and stuff. so had to do the "prodigal son returns home" deal and return to geek mode to recover.

*sigh* once again i shall venture forth into the world boldy ......

**edit: was on the homepage, they took off my picture 'coz i was supposed to talk about Keynote but bailed at the very last minute

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by 1984
[B]Obviously something is very wrong. They pulled out of the Mac mini deal at the last minute. They pulled out of the keynote at the last minute. Why are they having a Q&A session at the expo? The only question I can see being asked is what the hell is going on?


these moves coupled with having to face investors in October with this quarters results, means that, like i said, steve+gang is taking the safest route, and if this means cancelling mac mini deal and cancelling keynote, well, weird, something IS up. september 7 is probably just iTunesMoto and that's it. lets face it. a crappy looking ROKR you can buy tunes online for your phone, that's it. BIG FUCKING DEAL. FUCK.

man if IBM and/or Freescale was the cause of this latest foofarah... i'm gonna be hella pissed. there's a Freescale office down the road from me (seriously... it's where the 3rd world kids with the little hands make all your g4s) ... i'll..... do something.... and post it back here... GRRR bloody freescale and IBM

see all the stuff you have time to do when you don't have a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse/etc

[ibook911]

Originally posted by 1984
Obviously something is very wrong. They pulled out of the Mac mini deal at the last minute. They pulled out of the keynote at the last minute. Why are they having a Q&A session at the expo? The only question I can see being asked is what the hell is going on?

A return to PowerPC in 2008!

[sunilraman]

Originally posted by ibook911
A return to PowerPC in 2008!

no....!!!!! nah, macintel is on track, for macworld sf2006. we have passed the point of no return, and even at this stage of the game IBM and Freescale have, surprise, failed to deliver... steve is so pissed he's not even going to bother going up on stage to talk about these "great powerpc products" ~ they are great, they're just late. hey! new slogan

G4 & G5 PowerPC in Macs.
They're always Great. Just a tad Late.

[iDave]

Originally posted by sunilraman
no....!!!!! nah, macintel is on track, for macworld sf2006.

Yeah, right. What makes you think so?

[gugy]

That's right. if Apple nothing is for sure.
I wouldn't be surprise if we don't see mactel at MWSF.
Steve had to swallow his words before. so that could happen again easily.

[iDave]

Apple anticipates having Intel Macs on the market by the time WWDC rolls around next June. When have they ever been early with anything? My guess is that we'll see one line, perhaps the PowerBooks, with Intel processors around late May.

[cubist]

Originally posted by sunilraman
Originally posted by ibook911
A return to PowerPC in 2008!

no....!!!!! nah, macintel is on track, for macworld sf2006. we have passed the point of no return, and even at this stage of the game IBM and Freescale have, surprise, failed to deliver...[/i][/B]

I'd be surprised to see a MacIntel at MWSF'06. However, I also think we've seen the last new PPC products. My guess is that the 7448s didn't show up. I doubt IBM will produce the 970MP at all. Do they need it for their blade servers? It looks to me like IBM is moving to the Opteron for their own products.

Someday we'll hear the true story behind the Intel transition, and it will have several surprises in it.

[DHagan4755]

OK, so it looks as though the Paris Expo Keynote has been cancelled. We don't know if there was ever one scheduled in the first place. Clearly updates are needed most in the XServe and PowerBook line. Despite the fact that some of you say that Apple will wait for Intel, I cannot fathom them allowing some of their products to linger for a year or more without some sort of update.

Apple's Product Line Updates

(Oldest to Most Recent)

Xserve - January 4, 2005
PowerBook - January 31, 2005
Power Mac - April 27, 2005
eMac - May 3, 2005
iMac G5 - May 3, 2005
iPod - June 28, 2005
iBook - July 26, 2005
Mac Mini - July 26, 2005

This either means:

A.) Intel PowerBooks will be introduced at MWSF in January 2006.
B.) PowerBooks and Xserves will be updated in the new few weeks.

[PB]

Originally posted by cubist
My guess is that the 7448s didn't show up.

The MPC7448 is already in the hands of certain manufacturers for some months now, I guess in very limited quantities.

I doubt IBM will produce the 970MP at all. Do they need it for their blade servers?

No one knows for sure. All depends from their contractual obligations to Apple.

Someday we'll hear the true story behind the Intel transition, and it will have several surprises in it.

Indeed, there is too much of evidence to believe so.

[PB]

Originally posted by DHagan4755
We don't know if there was ever one scheduled in the first place.

Did you check the Ars thread which I linked to above? There are precise reports that people have already received their keynote access badges. Why Apple send these badges without a keynote planned?

No, for me it is quite clear that there was a keynote in the cards and for some reason that keynote has been cancelled.

[Powerdoc]

Since SJ has nothing really new to announce (no fantastic power pc products around), and don't want to face the public about the Intel transition thing, SJ has decided to cancel the keynote.

Good move, imagine, that he has to face insults and sarcasms ...

[gugy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DHagan4755
[(Oldest to Most Recent)

Xserve - January 4, 2005
PowerBook - January 31, 2005
Power Mac - April 27, 2005
eMac - May 3, 2005
iMac G5 - May 3, 2005
iPod - June 28, 2005
iBook - July 26, 2005
Mac Mini - July 26, 2005

To add to your post. The Powermac and Powerbook upgrades were ridiculous as well as the Mac Mini and Ibook. So, my feeling is that we are going to see updates to any possible machine in the current line up at any time. except the Imac that seems to had a more solid update.
What's makes me sad is the fact Apple is putting to much emphasis on the Ipod. I know is a cash cow, but as far as I remember Apple is called Apple Computer. so please put your focus back on the Computer.