Adobe says CS3 not fully tested with Apple's Leopard

[AppleInsider]

Adobe said Tuesday that its flagship Photoshop, Illustrator and other Creative Suite 3 programs have not been fully tested with the next version of Apple's operating system due out next month, which could lead to incompatibility issues.

A substantial proportion of Adobe users are also Apple Mac users, notes Reuters, with many eagerly awaiting the new Mac OS X operating system, code-named "Leopard."

Speaking to the media outlet, Adobe chief executive Bruce Chizen said his firm has not received a final copy of Leopard with which to test its software titles, including the recently released Creative Suite 3.0.

"CS3 hasn't fully been tested under Leopard," he said. "If it doesn't work, we will make the necessary adjustments."

Chizen's comments on Leopard compatibility appear to have been extracted from a more general interview with Reuters covering the firm's recently released financial report.

The San Jose, Calif.-based software developer said Monday that third-quarter profit more than doubled to $205.2 million, or 34 cents a share, from $94.4 million, or 16 cents a share, in the same quarter last year.

Apple has said it plans to unleash Leopard sometime in October.

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[mrrish]

I definitely have to wait for an upgrade now. What a pain!

[nagromme]

What a non-story

How COULD Adobe have received a final copy of Leopard if, Leopard isn't final yet?

How COULD CS3 be "fully" tested right now?

How COULD Adobe be certain right now that there will be no issues?

All they could ever say is exactly what they said: if anything needs to be fixed, they will fix it. What answer could be better than that?

There's no bad news here. Bad news may come later.

[backtomac]

Adobe and Apple is starting to resemble Paris and Nicole.

[bdkennedy1]

So basically this non-story is...

Apple won't let Adobe have a copy of the finished Leopard when it's not finished yet but will fix whatever problems crop up anyway.

[jbravo556]

Originally Posted by nagromme

What a non-story

How COULD Adobe be certain right now that there will be no issues?

There's no bad news here. Bad news may come later.

Actually, it's not a non-story. If you forget the simple fact that Adobe gets free publicity, if you read between the lines, Adobe has just announced that CS3 is definitely broken on Leopard and they're trying to head any complaints from their users by preassigning the blame to Apple.

[nagromme]

Originally Posted by jbravo556

Actually, it's not a non-story. If you forget the simple fact that Adobe gets free publicity, if you read between the lines, Adobe has just announced that CS3 is definitely broken on Leopard and they're trying to head any complaints from their users by preassigning the blame to Apple.

People do like looking for patterns

Where does Adobe suggest that Apple should be blamed for anything?

And what different phrasing would you expect if the truth were "we don't know yet" instead of "definitely broken"? There must be something in the statement that makes that distinction, but I can't spot it.

[minderbinder]

Non story all right.

But speaking of leopard, are there any apps known to have 64 bit versions already, or have 64 bit updates announced for when Leopard ships?

There have been many apps released not that long ago...are any known to be leopard ready (or mostly so, since it's not a final release) in advance?

[jbravo556]

Originally Posted by nagromme

People do like looking for patterns

Where does Adobe suggest that Apple should be blamed for anything?

And what different phrasing would you expect if the truth were "we don't know yet" instead of "definitely broken"? There must be something in the statement that makes that distinction, but I can't spot it.

Sorry, my mistake. If you read the original article from Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...36532720070918

It's the NPD "Analyst" who tries to blame Apple.

I've never read anything like this article that I could take at face value. If as far as Adobe is concerned everything is working and they haven't yet found the stuff that doesn't work, then they wouldn't come out and say things like that.

As far as I'm concerned, the simple fact that it was them who started to say that it may not work, and so far ahead of time, it means that they're sure that it won't work (properly) and they won't start fixing it until the final release comes out from Apple. I don't expect Adobe or any developer to guarantee their apps working before testing on the final release, but unless something is definitely wrong, I don't expect them to pre-announce that their apps may not work.

Has any other developer made such a statement other than Adobe? what about Quark, Omni, Devon? There are hundreds if not thousands of Mac software developers, and none of them are saying anything; which is the way to go about it.

[mstone]

I find it strange that no Leopard beta testers have chimed in on this story. Are they all just xcode junkies or are there some designers on the Leopard seed list? CS3 is the top software package for Macintosh so where are the testers?

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[Kolchak]

Eh. No skin off my nose. I didn't plan on buying Leopard next month anyway. It's always a bad idea to jump on a major OS revision, even if it's from Apple. I always wait for the .1 release. I figure 10.5.1 should be out around Christmas or so and should take care of most of the major problems the early adopters encounter.

[Gm7Cadd9]

Adobe... same as Digidesign/Avid, are huge. They make it out like they have no advanced knowledge of Leopard. I made it to WWDC the past two years and have received new seeds as they come out... you can't tell me Adobe doesn't get these. I am not saying it doesn't take work to make everything work right... but I just don't like the assumption that we have to wait for an OS to be out for 3 months before Adobe gets on board... get on board now!

-Roy

[Messiah]

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

"CS3 hasn't fully been tested under Leopard," he said. "If it doesn't work, we will make the necessary adjustments."

Yeah, the 'adjusted' release will be called CS4.

[JLL]

This isn't any different than any other release Apple has made.

[ajmas]

As already mentioned, since Leopard is not final it is hard to know what will and what won't break.

What Adobe is saying is basically what any company at this point in time is likely to say. This also reminds companies that they should wait a bit before upgrading to Leopard, just in case there are incompatibilities. I say remind, since companies should already wait a few months before upgrading, unless it is crucial since things can go wrong and it is better to let someone else find out, than your bottom line.

[Cory Bauer]

Has there been issues with CS3 on the Leopard betas released so far? If so, can't Adobe at least get a head start on software updates for the CS3 package? And if not, then what reason is there to sound the alarm?

[FineWine]

How very unsurprising. I don't think any responsible professional houses working with CS software are going to jump on Leopard the second it comes out. Look what happens in the Windows world. Many are still running W2K precisely because it takes them FOREVER to certify new OS or updates. Who would want to have critical production software running on totally new OS? Heck, even I for my private needs (music/film editing) will wait a good long while before upgrading to Leopard... if I do so at all. I don't find Leopard that compelling from what I can see so far. I may very well skip Leopard and get whatever comes after (10.6) with new hardware. So far, my apps work perfectly well with Tiger. Why should I jump into Leopard the second they release it?

[backtomac]

Originally Posted by FineWine

Why should I jump into Leopard the second they release it?

Because hopefully finder won't suck as much.

[ecking]

This isn't anything spectacular, anyone who heavily relies on a certain piece of software should never upgrade their OS once a new one drops. You always wait for them to iron out any potential problems. Especially if you make money with the software.

[Cory Bauer]

Originally Posted by ecking

This isn't anything spectacular, anyone who heavily relies on a certain piece of software should never upgrade their OS once a new one drops. You always wait for them to iron out any potential problems. Especially if you make money with the software.

Isn't the point of Apple supplying developers with builds prior to final release so that they can have fixes ready by launch time?

[O4BlackWRX]

Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

Has there been issues with CS3 on the Leopard betas released so far? If so, can't Adobe at least get a head start on software updates for the CS3 package? And if not, then what reason is there to sound the alarm?

I find it strange that no Leopard beta testers have chimed in on this story. Are they all just xcode junkies or are there some designers on the Leopard seed list? CS3 is the top software package for Macintosh so where are the testers?

Yes, it won't install on the latest. That is all I'm saying.

[Mr. Me]

Originally Posted by ajmas

As already mentioned, since Leopard is not final it is hard to know what will and what won't break.

...

This is just wrong. Leopard is been in the final stages of development for a while now. The things that might break a commercial app were fixed months ago. In fact a version of it has been available to the public as a commercial product since June 29. Perhaps, you have heard of the iPhone? It was in all the papers.

jbravo556 is absolutely correct. CS3 is broken under Leopard. Adobe is spinning this fact to deflect blame from itself. This is not the first time that Adobe has done something like this. It has become proficient in the use of the lame excuse.

[donebylee]

Originally Posted by FineWine

...I don't think any responsible professional houses working with CS software are going to jump on Leopard the second it comes out.... Who would want to have critical production software running on totally new OS?

Originally Posted by ecking

This isn't anything spectacular, anyone who heavily relies on a certain piece of software should never upgrade their OS once a new one drops. You always wait for them to iron out any potential problems. Especially if you make money with the software.

Some of us are waiting for new hardware [read: new Mac Pros] and won't have the option of letting Leopard get its kinks out first.

As I understand it, a system shipped with Leopard won't let you install Tiger. I'm new to the Mac side so maybe I am misunderstanding something here. But if true, Adobe's statement affects me and my Apple purchases greatly.

Now, of course, this could all just be much ado about nothing. As others have mentioned, this could be just a slow news-day item.

[Mr. Me]

Originally Posted by donebylee

Some of us are waiting for new hardware [read: new Mac Pros] and won't have the option of letting Leopard get its kinks out first.

The decision to wait for new hardware is a personal decision having nothing to do with the functionality of your new computer. The next iteration of the Mac Pro will likely be fully hardware-compatible with current models.

Originally Posted by donebylee

As I understand it, a system shipped with Leopard won't let you install Tiger. ...

Yes and no. If you buy a new model Mac introduced after the release of MacOS X 10.5, then you will not be able to install the older OS. If you buy a current model after the release of Leopard, then you will be able to run Tiger on it even if it ships with Leopard.

[Frank777]

Originally Posted by jbravo556

Actually, it's not a non-story. If you forget the simple fact that Adobe gets free publicity, if you read between the lines, Adobe has just announced that CS3 is definitely broken on Leopard and they're trying to head any complaints from their users by preassigning the blame to Apple.

Bingo. That's the only reason Adobe would even consider releasing this statement like this.

They found something, and they're fairly sure it won't be fixed easily...or quickly.

[macmanwa]

Originally Posted by O4BlackWRX

Yes, it won't install on the latest. That is all I'm saying.

Actually I'm running CS3 on the latest build of Leopard and it works fine for me.

[donebylee]

Originally Posted by Mr. Me

The decision to wait for new hardware is a personal decision having nothing to do with the functionality of your new computer.

Not true if the the PC you have been working on for the last 4 years is showing signs that it may not last out the year. I am praying it will get me to the new Mac Pros, but that is not guaranteed. I am waiting because at this point in time, with Penryn just around the corner, it is in my best interests to wait for the new platform.

Yes and no. If you buy a new model Mac introduced after the release of MacOS X 10.5, then you will not be able to install the older OS. If you buy a current model after the release of Leopard, then you will be able to run Tiger on it even if it ships with Leopard.

Maybe if I get lucky, the new mac Pros will come out before Leopard (although I really doubt it) and I won't have to worry about compatibility.

[Mr. Me]

Originally Posted by donebylee

Not true if the the PC you have been working on for the last 4 years is showing signs that it may not last out the year. I am praying it will get me to the new Mac Pros, but that is not guaranteed.

This is true, but this is not the choice you you are contemplating. You are not trying to decide between keeping your old machine and buying the latest and greatest new Mac. You seem to have decided to buy a new Mac. You are trying to decide if it is better to buy the new Mac later rather than sooner.

Originally Posted by donebylee

I am waiting because at this point in time, with Penryn just around the corner, it is in my best interests to wait for the new platform.

...

You proved the point I was making. You want the latest and greatest new Mac. It is your money and it most certainly your choice. The point I made in my earlier post is that a new Penryn-based Mac Pro will not bring unique new functionality to the platform. The current models will do everything that the new ones will do, even though they may require more time to do it. For most applications, however, a stopwatch will be required to tell the difference.

[O4BlackWRX]

Originally Posted by macmanwa

Actually I'm running CS3 on the latest build of Leopard and it works fine for me.

The install fails for me on on the latest one. How did you get it to install?