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Old 09-20-2007, 07:09 PM   #1
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Apple patent hints at future Safari navigational interface

A new Apple patent filing promises to scrap the time-honored navigation buttons of web browsers with a new page history that sorts itself based on more natural, easily remembered criteria.

Submitted in early January, the newly published patent application notes that almost all web browsers can only keep track of previously visited websites in chronological order. This might be useful in cases where the site visitor has browsed only a few layers deep, Apple says, but the interface quickly falls apart in more complex situations.

"Users can visit a large number of web pages, which are confusing to view in a chronological order," the patent reads. "And the forward and back buttons are an inefficient and cumbersome way to navigate through multiple web pages."

Instead, the proposed system would automatically sort pages by certain easily identifiable criteria. A user searching for car buying advice could see previously visited automotive sites organized together, for example. A browser could also organize sites by their popularity with the user, the frequency of visits, or even the nature of the visit, such as an e-commerce sale or instances where a download was launched.





While Apple has already tried to address the problem of rapid backtracking with Safari's SnapBack feature, which jumps to the top level of a website, the patent's new method would potentially solve the issues associated with needing to jump from site to site or create separate bookmark sets for different users. A husband and wife could see entirely different categories through a single, identical bookmark icon.



It could also work well outside of the web browsing environment, Apple adds. Since elements can be represented by images as well as text, the technique could apply equally to navigating a file system, a media player interface, or a photo manager.

Some elements of the patent appear to have already found their way into existing or upcoming Apple software, such as iPhoto 8's automatic grouping of photos into events and the Stacks feature that can automatically group downloads and other files together into a single on-screen icon. A program that merges most or all of the features has yet to surface.
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:39 PM   #2
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Do you know the patent number or title? Couldn't find it in Google's patent search...
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:40 PM   #3
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Wonder which pile will be the largest...
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:01 PM   #4
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Do you know the patent number or title? Couldn't find it in Google's patent search...
Google search is an EXTREMELY incomplete database as is almost all other free patent searches.

You need a subscription based service for full patent searching.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:02 PM   #5
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I don't know about this... it sounds like it could get messy itself. I would have to see this in action before I could really comment on it. It sounds like sites would get mixed up and you COULDN'T do chronological order???


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Old 09-20-2007, 08:23 PM   #6
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what would really be nice, but very very impractical, would be if apple used time machine in safari. Then using tons of storage, they start creating arcives of ever single page online. They would create a new archive of the page ever month. Then when a user comes across a page that is shut down or somthing, they could just activate time machine and go back to when the page was still up.

I think i may be the only person who would use this, but it would definatly be an easier way to acess opendarwin.

Plus it would be sort of funny to activate time machine on a webpage and go back in time to see what people were thinking. Like in 10 years, when you look back and laugh at how everyone thought a 160 gb ipod was amazing.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:39 PM   #7
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It could also work well outside of the web browsing environment, Apple adds. Since elements can be represented by images as well as text, the technique could apply equally to navigating a file system, a media player interface, or a photo manager.
Your web browser and your file system browser working in tandem. . . Didn't somebody else already do this? Like Microsoft?

Honestly, I thought 10.5 was going to look more like iTunes than Safari.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:52 PM   #8
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Your web browser and your file system browser working in tandem. . . Didn't somebody else already do this? Like Microsoft?

Honestly, I thought 10.5 was going to look more like iTunes than Safari.
It is...
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:20 PM   #9
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Sounds like they're trying to optimize it for touchscreens...


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Old 09-20-2007, 10:33 PM   #10
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Wonder which pile will be the largest...
It starts with an "S".

Seriously though, I think this concept could be very useful.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:51 PM   #11
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Why not a "cover-flow" interface for navigating history ??

And for a more advanced "search", maybe a 2d (or more ??) cover flow. Up/down would navigate through the possible search criteria and right/left through the items found for each search.

Just a thought late at night....
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:20 AM   #12
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I wonder if my porn is just going to go into one colossal pile, or if I'm going to be able to break it down into sub-categories?
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:55 AM   #13
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I wonder if my porn is just going to go into one colossal pile, or if I'm going to be able to break it down into sub-categories?
Depends if your a dom.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:05 AM   #14
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Hmmm...

At first, I thought it was a rather bad idea. But now that I'm really thinking about how it would be, I realllllly want this. I barely use the history now because the list gets so packed that most of the time it's faster to just look for the site again.

Even if it was separated into different urls while sorted by most pages, I'd be happy.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:48 AM   #15
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Ever heard of bookmarks ? Why would i want yet another heap of crap clogging up my desktop and others.

Nice idea though but how many people are actually REALLY going to use this. Some times it seems to me that what one does is just innovation for innovation's sake. "I am an engineer and now I must engineer sth new...."

Quite a lot of people delete their history when they exit the browser and lets face it. Once you discovered "The Internet" you usually settle for a handful or two of site you regularly visit. Now if you cant remember them - you dont need a new interface - you need to see a doctor as you probably show the first symptoms of Alzheimer. Which is not too bad though as you soon will forget that too.
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Depends if your a dom.
errr... what's a dom?


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Get on your knees and I might tell you, worm.


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Old 09-21-2007, 04:43 AM   #18
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Wonder which pile will be the largest...
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:55 AM   #19
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A user searching for car buying advice could see previously visited automotive sites organized together, for example.
Wanna bet the car is gonna be VolksWagen?
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Old 09-21-2007, 08:57 AM   #20
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Get on your knees and I might tell you, worm.
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Old 09-21-2007, 09:01 AM   #21
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An amazing idea if they can pull it off.

Take a look into your own history for all of yesterday. I can separate mine out into 4 or 5 'themes'... and break those down into 4 or 5 sub-themes. To be able to graphically (exposé style) see a thumbnail of 5 webpages each representing those themes, and to either drag out webpages within that theme (like piles) or 'open' the theme (like events in iPhoto)... would seem to be a very natural way of browsing.

Of course... how does Safari work out which things are thematically similar? Can it do that based on your own history (eg: pages you flip between are likely related, pages you keep going back to are likely to be more important, time spent on pages may indicate importance.. but is that enough?). Or can Google analytics be involved - use your page viewing compared to other people's history to find what the majority of people find related). Actually, I'm sure Google would like to be able to take your page history and from that provide customised ads wherever you go

It could really be a killer feature.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:21 AM   #22
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errr... what's a dom?
In the web developer world DOM stands for Document Object Model, but I have know idea if that's what the original poster intended it to mean. We use the DOM to manipulate web page layouts, collect data, etc.


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In the web developer world DOM stands for Document Object Model, but I have know idea if that's what the original poster intended it to mean. We use the DOM to manipulate web page layouts, collect data, etc.
In this case, "dom" refers to the dominant one in a BDSM encounter. Dom/sub, you know? Hence the "on your knees" line.
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