Possible Bungie departure would open door to Mac games

[AppleInsider]

Even as copies of Halo 3 have barely reached gamers' hands, reports have claimed that its developer Bungie may jump ship from Microsoft to pursue other games, and potentially other game platforms.

A source speaking with the Seattle Post-Intelligencer fueled discussion by alleging that Bungie had already declared its intent to leave its parent company, making the public announcement only a formality. Microsoft had reportedly agreed to the decision and had already been removing Bungie staff from its official roster as of Monday, with only concerns over affecting quarterly results (due October 6th) keeping either side from making a full announcement.

The decision by the game developer to walk away from what many have described as a lucrative partnership was not trivial, the insider claimed. Rather, the issue for Bungie was control over its own fate, which became more and more elusive as the firm's Halo games grew in popularity and Microsoft saw the game house as a dependable source of revenue.

"Apparently MS just wants Bungie to make Halo for the rest of their natural days," the source wrote in an e-mail message. "Bungie doesn't like how MS is constantly trying to 'handle' everything they do; the way they market their games, the way they interact with their fans [...], and how stingie [sic] they are with the profits (comparable to the rest of the industry)."

A separate tip handed to GameInformer appeared to corroborate the story and added that Microsoft's compensation was to earn both the rights to future Halo games and the right to first refusal, which would let the Xbox 360 maker become the first possible candidate to publish any future Bungie title.

Microsoft did not refute the claim outright, instead telling Kotaku that it had not publicized any agreement. "There's been no such announcement," said a spokesperson from Microsoft's public relations firm, Edelman. "We continue to celebrate the tremendous success of the global phenomenon that is Halo 3."

In spite of the conditions that would be attached to the deal, the departure would effectively return Bungie to the independent status it held before Microsoft's acquisition of the studio in June 2000 and would free the company to pursue games for non-Microsoft platforms, including the Mac, PlayStation 3, and Wii.

Bungie's shift in allegiance has often been cited as a prime example of Apple's inability to support gaming in recent years. While the game developer had started as a Mac-only company and continued to produce Mac versions of Oni and the first two Myth games virtually side-by-side with their Windows equivalents, the company was successfully courted by Microsoft, which put a halt to Mac development soon afterwards.

Whether the changes in the game industry over the past seven years would encourage a return to development was strictly a matter of speculation. Bungie itself refrained from commenting on the situation and instead redirected members of the press to Edelman, which again refused a definitive statement on the matter.

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[Wakashizuma]

Mac sucks @ Gaming; Microsoft wipes the floor with Mac when it comes to Gaming. It's kind a sad how the departure of Bungie is considered important news for Mac ROFL
The rumor is not even confirmed and it wont be confirmed!
Sorry Mac, No Halo 3 for you!
And while you guys finish making "home movies" with your iMovie, me and other gamers around the world on PC platform (Funny eh? there are more PC gamers than mac users ROFL) will do some nice multi-player games! Oh wait....there is a chess game in Mac OSX !

[kim kap sol]

What does it matter anymore...

Alex Seropian and most of the original Bungie team left a long time ago to form Wideload, leaving Jason "Kiss Ass" Jones as the only remaining original Bungie developer in the hands of MS. I dunno how much Jason had an impact on the Pathway into Darkness story, the Marathon story or the Myth story but I'm guessing not that much. I think Jason Jones was the lead programmer so all the creative goodness went to Wideload. It kinda shows too. The Halo serie had a somewhat lackluster storyline.

The multiplayer aspect of Halo is excellent but...so was Marathon's and Myth's multiplayer...the multiplayer games are pretty much a direct copy of the previous games (King of the Hill, Kill the Man with the Ball, etc.)

I've never really played Oni (developed by Bungie West I believe and they had development problems that really put a damper on things...multiplayer dropped and levels that felt incomplete according to people that had played the game). I haven't really played Wideload's Stubb the Zombie...I heard it wasn't all that good but it sure was original in a sense.

Anyway...I don't feel like anything good will ever come out of Bungie ever again (or even Wideload)...even if they both produce Mac games. Although, I'm sure they would make more money than most game companies. I mean, if it says Bungie or Blizzard on the box it usually is a good game. And Bungie's games (cept for Oni and PiD) always had solid multiplayer (which seems to be the only thing people care about nowadays.)

[John the Geek]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Mac sucks @ Gaming; Microsoft wipes the floor with Mac when it comes to Gaming. It's kind a sad how the departure of Bungie is considered important news for Mac ROFL
The rumor is not even confirmed and it wont be confirmed!
Sorry Mac, No Halo 3 for you!
And while you guys finish making "home movies" with your iMovie, me and other gamers around the world on PC platform (Funny eh? there are more PC gamers than mac users ROFL) will do some nice multi-player games! Oh wait....there is a chess game in Mac OSX !

Have issues much? How sad.

[4metta]

I'd like to believe that this may perhaps inspire Apple to build computers with better graphics capabilities but I highly doubt it.


As it stands now, Bungie would be VERY stupid to sign an exclusive contract to make games for Apple computers.

I'm still pissed off over the interview with Valve's main guy about how Apple treats them. Valve only makes the most incredible PC games ever. I loved playing all there games on Steam. Valve titles kill all Halo series as far as looks and content. If Apple blows it with them, it just shows how clueless they are at gaming. They are limiting there overall sales in a big way. If I had a dime for all the people who told me they would switch to Apple if they could play games on them I'd be very well off indeed.


Man I actually miss my Windows based computer now. Thank goodness I bought that Xbox360 and can go pick up Valve's Orange Box this week and play it on there even though it won't look as good as the PC version.


Let's see how Leopard runs games natively...(fingers crossed).

[mdriftmeyer]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Mac sucks @ Gaming; Microsoft wipes the floor with Mac when it comes to Gaming. It's kind a sad how the departure of Bungie is considered important news for Mac ROFL
The rumor is not even confirmed and it wont be confirmed!
Sorry Mac, No Halo 3 for you!
And while you guys finish making "home movies" with your iMovie, me and other gamers around the world on PC platform (Funny eh? there are more PC gamers than mac users ROFL) will do some nice multi-player games! Oh wait....there is a chess game in Mac OSX !

You created an account to talk smack about what you speculate on. Your life must truly be dull.

[Wakashizuma]

Originally Posted by John the Geek

Have issues much? How sad.

Truth hurts indeed....Doesn't it?

[mdriftmeyer]

Originally Posted by kim kap sol

What does it matter anymore...

Alex Seropian and most of the original Bungie team left a long time ago to form Wideload, leaving Jason "Kiss Ass" Jones as the only remaining original Bungie developer in the hands of MS. I dunno how much Jason had an impact on the Pathway into Darkness story, the Marathon story or the Myth story but I'm guessing not that much. I think Jason Jones was the lead programmer so all the creative goodness went to Wideload. It kinda shows too. The Halo serie had a somewhat lackluster storyline.

The multiplayer aspect of Halo is excellent but...so was Marathon's and Myth's multiplayer...the multiplayer games are pretty much a direct copy of the previous games (King of the Hill, Kill the Man with the Ball, etc.)

I've never really played Oni (developed by Bungie West I believe and they had development problems that really put a damper on things...multiplayer dropped and levels that felt incomplete according to people that had played the game). I haven't really played Wideload's Stubb the Zombie...I heard it wasn't all that good but it sure was original in a sense.

Anyway...I don't feel like anything good will ever come out of Bungie ever again (or even Wideload)...even if they both produce Mac games. Although, I'm sure they would make more money than most game companies. I mean, if it says Bungie or Blizzard on the box it usually is a good game. And Bungie's games (cept for Oni and PiD) always had solid multiplayer (which seems to be the only thing people care about nowadays.)

Marathon was a blast, especially back at a university when it first came out and you had an entire campus store full of networked Macs with a bunch of students blastin' away.

[mdriftmeyer]

Originally Posted by 4metta

I'd like to believe that this may perhaps inspire Apple to build computers with better graphics capabilities but I highly doubt it.


As it stands now, Bungie would be VERY stupid to sign an exclusive contract to make games for Apple computers.

I'm still pissed off over the interview with Valve's main guy about how Apple treats them. Valve only makes the most incredible PC games ever. I loved playing all there games on Steam. Valve titles kill all Halo series as far as looks and content. If Apple blows it with them, it just shows how clueless they are at gaming. They are limiting there overall sales in a big way. If I had a dime for all the people who told me they would switch to Apple if they could play games on them I'd be very well off indeed.


Man I actually miss my Windows based computer now. Thank goodness I bought that Xbox360 and can go pick up Valve's Orange Box this week and play it on there even though it won't look as good as the PC version.


Let's see how Leopard runs games natively...(fingers crossed).

For those uninformed: EFI is the Firmware used on Intel Macs. Apple went first.

http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/efi.htm

http://download.intel.com/technology..._ENG_Spr07.pdf

Download the Presentation and read it. The only player missing from the picture is Nvidia.

AMD/ATi is on-board, including Microsoft.

The reason the cards are limited is the fact that EFI isn't available for XP/Vista. The push will exist when SP1 arrives from Microsoft for Vista.

Hell Linux, OS X and Windows will all soon be EFI ready.

[pomo]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Mac sucks @ Gaming; Microsoft wipes the floor with Mac when it comes to Gaming. It's kind a sad how the departure of Bungie is considered important news for Mac ROFL
The rumor is not even confirmed and it wont be confirmed!
Sorry Mac, No Halo 3 for you!
And while you guys finish making "home movies" with your iMovie, me and other gamers around the world on PC platform (Funny eh? there are more PC gamers than mac users ROFL) will do some nice multi-player games! Oh wait....there is a chess game in Mac OSX !

WTF. Seriously, would you really consider purchasing a PC (easily 1k+ for a decent one [compared to the specs on consoles]) just to buy limited and crappy PC games. Please, only games worthy to be played come out in consoles (with some exceptions). Besides, there's no PC out there that could compare to the PS3 for its price. Besides, PC gaming industry is going down rapidly.

You are so naive to think that there are more PC gamers than Mac users.
How's this....Prove it.

[kim kap sol]

Originally Posted by 4metta

I loved playing all there games on Steam.

All three of them? Half Life, Half Life 2 and Half Life 2: Episode 1?

Valve may be cool but they've only produced 3 games in the past 10 years...all on the same franchise. Not good at all. If Valve had a serious portfolio of games, it would be awesome to have the games ported to Mac...but I think the Mac can live without the three Half Life games. At worse, you can play them in Boot Camp.

I'd rather have Bungie and Wideload producing original Mac games. Bungie created new game genres and wasn't scared moving away from a specific franchise. They brought to Mac games such as Minotaur (multiplayer dungeon game), PiD, Marathon (the fairly new concept here was being able to aim up and down in a 1st person shooter), Myth (this genre has never been reproduced to date...it was really fun), Oni (weapons and martial arts...new and fun...I'm sure I would have liked it even if it wasn't as good as it could have been).

[kim kap sol]

Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer

Marathon was a blast, especially back at a university when it first came out and you had an entire campus store full of networked Macs with a bunch of students blastin' away.

Yeah.

Multiplayer Marathon was amazing. When I saw people playing networked Doom, I would chuckle a bit. They had no idea what they were missing.

[Wakashizuma]

Originally Posted by pomo

WTF. Seriously, would you really consider purchasing a PC (easily 1k+ for a decent one [compared to the specs on consoles]) just to buy limited and crappy PC games. Please, only games worthy to be played come out in consoles (with some exceptions). Besides, there's no PC out there that could compare to the PS3 for its price. Besides, PC gaming industry is going down rapidly.

You are so naive to think that there are more PC gamers than Mac users.
How's this....Prove it.

Do you really.. really think Mac can stand up to PCs when it comes to games?
If the gaming market is as limited as you like to make it look like (Guild War, Battlefield, CS and ....) then why hardware makers bother to spend money marketing their products. Or maybe think there more people editing "home movies" rather than playing games?
and all those tournaments for PC gaming..is there even a Mac one?
Guys, Mac sucks big time when it comes to game! unless u live in your own fantasy world where Mac gets games (if any indeed ROFL)

[Not Unlike Myself]

Sorry Bungie.. that bridge is burned. *uck you. *uck Halo. *uck XBox. *uck all your *hit. In fact... *uck you right in your bridge burning *ss. I will never forgive you. Ever.

Next year it could be Marathon Infinity 2.. and I'd be like.. ::yawn:: "so how 'bout those Mets".

And you know why? Because you are mother *ucking sell outs.

"No NUM... tell us how you really feel."

OK, Bungie.. why don't you take your rich sellout *sses and go make wii games. Better yet.... why not make PSP games...because I'll NEVER buy a title from you for my Mac. My Mac wouldn't let me. In fact... just for typing your name several times in this post she has taken away my dock privlidges for a week.

[mrpiddly]

Like the first halo preview was a macworld, back in the good old 3d person days, in 1999.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7-Qg7-IvGI


Steve jobs really had alot of insight. That was until microsoft came in and threw millions at bungie.




As for steam, try cross over to run it nativly in osx (i havnt actually tried it but it looks cool and i hope multiplayer would work)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCd5CQB914w

[Gustav]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Do you really.. really think Mac can stand up to PCs when it comes to games?

So what? A PC can't stand up to a Mac when it comes to productivity, usability, stability, and return on investment. What's your point?

That's not the point. The point is when Bungie sold out to MS, ticked off Mac users said at the time: "no way MS will let you keep control." Those Mac users appear to have been correct.

Nobody cares if your gaming PC can beat a Mac or not. Apple's market is not the hard core gamer - that's why they don't include the best video cards in their consumer machines - that's why there isn't a mini-tower. Until a significant portion of Mac users demand Apple put better video cards into their machines, it's not going to happen.

Not that I don't think it'll never happen - in fact, I think Cider is helping bring more games to the Mac and thus, will bring more gamers. But it's not there yet.

[TBaggins]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

It's kind a sad how the departure of Bungie is considered important news for Mac ROFL
The rumor is not even confirmed and it wont be confirmed

And yet, if it does happen, which it may, will you cry?


.

[mrpiddly]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Do you really.. really think Mac can stand up to PCs when it comes to games?
If the gaming market is as limited as you like to make it look like (Guild War, Battlefield, CS and ....) then why hardware makers bother to spend money marketing their products. Or maybe think there more people editing "home movies" rather than playing games?
and all those tournaments for PC gaming..is there even a Mac one?
Guys, Mac sucks big time when it comes to game! unless u live in your own fantasy world where Mac gets games (if any indeed ROFL)

That is a falacy, as you can easily plug 2 8800s into the mac pro and boot to vista avoiding efi. A fully loaded mac pro with 2 8800s (or even better a quadro fx 5700s {or whatever they will call the next in the lineup}) will kill other computers just by being in the same room as them.


and yes i would say that there are more people doing creative things, like editing home movies, then playing any pc game on a regular basis.



x-plane is honestly the most demanding game ever and i will arguee this to the death with anyone. The mac gaming comunity is also more about content creation/ modding rather then actually playing games.

Playing games will likely get you no where, while doing creative arts is actually productive.

[4metta]

Originally Posted by kim kap sol

All three of them? Half Life, Half Life 2 and Half Life 2: Episode 1?

Valve may be cool but they've only produced 3 games in the past 10 years...all on the same franchise. Not good at all. If Valve had a serious portfolio of games, it would be awesome to have the games ported to Mac...but I think the Mac can live without the three Half Life games. At worse, you can play them in Boot Camp.

I'd rather have Bungie and Wideload producing original Mac games. Bungie created new game genres and wasn't scared moving away from a specific franchise. They brought to Mac games such as Minotaur (multiplayer dungeon game), PiD, Marathon (the fairly new concept here was being able to aim up and down in a 1st person shooter), Myth (this genre has never been reproduced to date...it was really fun), Oni (weapons and martial arts...new and fun...I'm sure I would have liked it even if it wasn't as good as it could have been).

Um...you left out Episode 2 as well as Portal. And how about Counter Stirke and Day of Defeat? The most insane fun in online play. It's more about quality than quantity anyway. And Valve quality has been unmatched by Bungie. Be it in graphics or storyline.

Yeah I bought Halo 3 and I have fun playing it, but to compare it to Half Life 2 would be absurd. I am sorry but aliens that bleed blue blood and sound like little children make the series way too kiddish compared to Half Life. Bungie also really dropped the ball in the graphics department with Halo3. Extremely underwhelming. It's one thing to argue that you need to keep graphics down when taking the scale of outdoor battle scenes into account but there is absolutely no excuse for the piss poor graphics during the cutscenes. They also have no platform excuse because Bioshock 3 and Gears Of War are both games that play on the same platform that are also older. They look much better than Halo3 and I am willing to bet Bungie had a lot more money at their disposal for development. They have no excuse for not wowing us with the graphics. What sold this game was hype. What sells Valve games is quality and content.

Not that comparing Valve to Bungie matters in this case. That's not really what my original post is about. We all have our favorite developers and that's great. In the end I'm all about having access to more games rather than choosing one over another. I enjoy having choices. what I am saying is that I doubt Bungie would waste their time with Apple either. What would be their incentive? MAYBE it's something in Leopard?

I read a post from a BLIZZARD tech in the WoW forums that there is something very exciting coming up in Leopard that the developers are raving about in BLIZZARD but cannot discuss yet until it comes out. I wish I could find the post to cut and paste it but it appears to be all about graphics capabilities. I am excited about this possibility. Perhaps it will be what brings us more games to our macs so we don't have to purchase PC systems just to game. Thank goodness we can still play WoW even though sometimes it can be a bit too slowpaced for my tastes.

Cheers.

[mrpiddly]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Do you really.. really think Mac can stand up to PCs when it comes to games?
If the gaming market is as limited as you like to make it look like (Guild War, Battlefield, CS and ....) then why hardware makers bother to spend money marketing their products. Or maybe think there more people editing "home movies" rather than playing games?
and all those tournaments for PC gaming..is there even a Mac one?
Guys, Mac sucks big time when it comes to game! unless u live in your own fantasy world where Mac gets games (if any indeed ROFL)

on a similar note, what do you even know about pc gaming. I think i know more about that hardware and the games then you.

[Wakashizuma]

You guys are trying too hard; being productive or "organizing photos" or making "home movies"...how much marketshare did all these bring? 0.2%?
I mean come on. Do you think a PC user will pay for a mac machine so he can make home movies? for the sake saying bye to all the softwares that are windows compatible right?
ofcourse you call gaming waste of time. It's something that Apple can never get right so somehow you guys have to defend it!
While you guys are busing being "productive" and making home movies, Vista just sold more than Mac OSX ever did. Guess what? I got news for ya : Windows still rules the market! Get with the program!
By the way, how many software DVD players are available for mac except the one that comes with MacOSX?I can count many for windows tho!
What is it? nobody even bothers to develop a good DVD player for mac? man that must be sad!

[deanbar]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Mac sucks @ Gaming; Microsoft wipes the floor with Mac when it comes to Gaming. It's kind a sad how the departure of Bungie is considered important news for Mac ROFL
The rumor is not even confirmed and it wont be confirmed!
Sorry Mac, No Halo 3 for you!
And while you guys finish making "home movies" with your iMovie, me and other gamers around the world on PC platform (Funny eh? there are more PC gamers than mac users ROFL) will do some nice multi-player games! Oh wait....there is a chess game in Mac OSX !

If you think people specifically buy a Mac to play games on, you're nuts. Horses for courses, as another poster said, why splash out on a specced out PC when you could buy a PS3 for a fraction of the price, or some other games console. Says a lot about your life - get a life.

[4metta]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Do you really.. really think Mac can stand up to PCs when it comes to games?

Right now? Hell no. But you have to start somewhere and I'm all for Apple taking the important first steps. We can dream eh? We wouldn't be the only ones. There are many PC gamers that want to go mac. I chuckled recently while reading the editorial section of one of the PC gaming magazines where the editor was saying how the staff went Macs for productivity and were wishing they could game on them as well. Everybody would prefer having just one computer.

Also the guy who runs one of the Half Life fansites was posting how he was trying to tweak the game to run on his macbook pro. He failed to make it look as good but yes, there are people from all sides that want this to happen and it would definitely increase sales if it did. He was teased about the futile experiment by many but he also received a lot of comments from Windows users who were anxiously waiting to see the results so they could switch.

[kim kap sol]

Originally Posted by 4metta

Um...you left out Episode 2 as well as Portal. And how about Counter Stirke and Day of Defeat? The most insane fun in online play. It's more about quality than quantity anyway. And Valve quality has been unmatched by Bungie. Be it in graphics or storyline.

Episode 2 isn't out yet is it? Counter Strike and Day of Defeat are mods...although cool, they don't count. Valve only has one trick up its sleeve. Half Life and Half Life mods. It's very unoriginal.

Yeah I bought Halo 3 and I have fun playing it, but to compare it to Half Life 2 would be absurd. I am sorry but aliens that bleed blue blood and sound like little children make the series way too kiddish compared to Half Life. Bungie also really dropped the ball in the graphics department with Halo3. Extremely underwhelming. It's one thing to argue that you need to keep graphics down when taking the scale of outdoor battle scenes into account but there is absolutely no excuse for the piss poor graphics during the cutscenes. They also have no platform excuse because Bioshock 3 and Gears Of War are both games that play on the same platform that are also older. They look much better than Halo3 and I am willing to bet Bungie had a lot more money at their disposal for development. They have no excuse for not wowing us with the graphics. What sold this game was hype. What sells Valve games is quality and content.

Not that comparing Valve to Bungie matters in this case. That's not really what my original post is about. We all have our favorite developers and that's great. In the end I'm all about having access to more games rather than choosing one over another. I enjoy have choices. what I am saying is that I doubt Bungie would waste their time with Apple either. What would be their incentive? MAYBE it's something in Leopard?

I read a post from a BLIZZARD tech in the WoW forums that there is something very exciting coming up in Leopard that the developers are raving about in BLIZZARD but cannot discuss yet until it comes out. I wish I could find the post to cut and paste it but it appears to be all about graphics capabilities. I am excited about this possibility. Perhaps it will be what brings us more games to our macs so we don't have to purchase PC systems just to game. Thank goodness we can still play WoW even though sometimes it can be a bit too slowpaced for my tastes.

Cheers.

I guess Gabe didn't get the memo. I wonder what this amazing thing is.

[thomasfxlt]

You guys have been scooping everyone lately. Great job on getting the dish.

[mrpiddly]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

You guys are trying too hard; being productive or "organizing photos" or making "home movies"...how much marketshare did all these bring? 0.2%?
I mean come on. Do you think a PC user will pay for a mac machine so he can make home movies? for the sake saying bye to all the softwares that are windows compatible right?
ofcourse you call gaming waste of time. It's something that Apple can never get right so somehow you guys have to defend it!
While you guys are busing being "productive" and making home movies, Vista just sold more than Mac OSX ever did. Guess what? I got news for ya : Windows still rules the market! Get with the program!
By the way, how many software DVD players are available for mac except the one that comes with MacOSX?I can count many for windows tho!
What is it? nobody even bothers to develop a good DVD player for mac? man that must be sad!

i mean honestly this argument is getting more and more absurd.

Vista in many peoples mind is a failure. It is however shipped on almost every new computer so that is like 90% of the sales. It is the worst written os ever and just using it makes me crazy. On the surface it looks ok, but under the ui, it is horrible.

Being "productive" can actually make you money as well as increasing your skill. Gaming is a waste of time, but ever so fun, and the most worth while part of it is modding.

Who cares who rules the market. The majority of people, like yourself, are just stupid and uneducated in this subject. They fear and act violently against the unknow, a sign of a tribal culture.

Macs are used by many professionals in many diffent fields. video, audio, image and science all use macs for a large part of the market. (science also uses linux alot too)

Dvd player, there are others but who cares how many there are? That just means that the default one is really good.

Please come back when you can actually argue somthing.

[sosumi1981]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

You guys are trying too hard; being productive or "organizing photos" or making "home movies"...how much marketshare did all these bring? 0.2%?
I mean come on. Do you think a PC user will pay for a mac machine so he can make home movies? for the sake saying bye to all the softwares that are windows compatible right?
ofcourse you call gaming waste of time. It's something that Apple can never get right so somehow you guys have to defend it!
While you guys are busing being "productive" and making home movies, Vista just sold more than Mac OSX ever did. Guess what? I got news for ya : Windows still rules the market! Get with the program!
By the way, how many software DVD players are available for mac except the one that comes with MacOSX?I can count many for windows tho!
What is it? nobody even bothers to develop a good DVD player for mac? man that must be sad!

So let me get this straight, you sign up on a Apple-centric website basically to bash Macs and Apple? Wow, that is awesome!!! You, you are truly awesome. What a great idea! I would never have thought that would be a cool thing, not even in a thousand years. But you, you thought of it and I applaud you!! Well played sir. WELL PLAYED! I'm gonna call you Awesome McAwsersome, because what you've done here is truly inspiring.

Keep up those witty and awesome remarks Mr. Awesome McAwsersome. You tell us Mac people how dumb we are. Damn you're awesome!!!

[mzaslove]

Originally Posted by mrpiddly

A fully loaded mac pro with 2 8800s (or even better a quadro fx 5700s {or whatever they will call the next in the lineup}) will kill other computers just by being in the same room as them.

That cracked me up big time!

[4metta]

Originally Posted by kim kap sol

Episode 2 isn't out yet is it? Counter Strike and Day of Defeat are mods...although cool, they don't count. Valve only has one trick up its sleeve. Half Life and Half Life mods. It's very unoriginal.

Original or not they work. Mods are fun and play as different games. I didn't even bother to list all the 3rd party mods but now that you bring that up it should be mentioned. All the 3rd party mods are a blast to play as well and Valve has always encouraged people to do 3rd party mods. And you can get them all on Steam with daily updates to code when needed. Sort of what Xbox360 is doing now with XBox Live. They copied Steam and that idea works beautifully. You cannot deny that Valve has done A LOT to push the envelope in PC gaming technology in many ways.

[MsNly]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

You guys are trying too hard; being productive or "organizing photos" or making "home movies"...how much marketshare did all these bring? 0.2%?
I mean come on. Do you think a PC user will pay for a mac machine so he can make home movies? for the sake saying bye to all the softwares that are windows compatible right?
ofcourse you call gaming waste of time. It's something that Apple can never get right so somehow you guys have to defend it!
While you guys are busing being "productive" and making home movies, Vista just sold more than Mac OSX ever did. Guess what? I got news for ya : Windows still rules the market! Get with the program!
By the way, how many software DVD players are available for mac except the one that comes with MacOSX?I can count many for windows tho!
What is it? nobody even bothers to develop a good DVD player for mac? man that must be sad!

Ok first, Its hard to take you serious because of your grammar and sentence compilation. Second you do know that Macs can run Windows; so, strictly speaking software, there is no point in even buying a Widows machine.

Oh, and I can't wait to go tell all my gaming friends this, they're probably going to freak and commit suicide or something...

I do think it would be cool to have something like Gears of War, Or Halo, something like that on the Wii; I can't think of any good shooter games on it.

[pomo]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Do you really.. really think Mac can stand up to PCs when it comes to games?
If the gaming market is as limited as you like to make it look like (Guild War, Battlefield, CS and ....) then why hardware makers bother to spend money marketing their products. Or maybe think there more people editing "home movies" rather than playing games?
and all those tournaments for PC gaming..is there even a Mac one?
Guys, Mac sucks big time when it comes to game! unless u live in your own fantasy world where Mac gets games (if any indeed ROFL)

First of all, I never said that macs were better than PC's when it comes to gaming. I said that that there are more Mac users than PC gamers, which you said the opposite earlier.

Also, I said that playing PC games is pointless because console games are WAY BETTER than pc games. nuff said. You're hopeless

[pomo]

Originally Posted by Gustav

So what? A PC can't stand up to a Mac when it comes to productivity, usability, stability, and return on investment. What's your point?

That's not the point. The point is when Bungie sold out to MS, ticked off Mac users said at the time: "no way MS will let you keep control." Those Mac users appear to have been correct.

Nobody cares if your gaming PC can beat a Mac or not. Apple's market is not the hard core gamer - that's why they don't include the best video cards in their consumer machines - that's why there isn't a mini-tower. Until a significant portion of Mac users demand Apple put better video cards into their machines, it's not going to happen.

Not that I don't think it'll never happen - in fact, I think Cider is helping bring more games to the Mac and thus, will bring more gamers. But it's not there yet.

I second that.

[Rot'nApple]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

Mac sucks @ Gaming; Microsoft wipes the floor with Mac when it comes to Gaming. It's kind a sad how the departure of Bungie is considered important news for Mac ROFL
The rumor is not even confirmed and it wont be confirmed!
Sorry Mac, No Halo 3 for you!
And while you guys finish making "home movies" with your iMovie, me and other gamers around the world on PC platform (Funny eh? there are more PC gamers than mac users ROFL) will do some nice multi-player games! Oh wait....there is a chess game in Mac OSX !

I used to play video games at the arcade, then I used to play what games were on my Mac Performa 6200CD, and then I used to play games on my NES (nintendo entertainment system for those who are not as ancient as I) and then I grew up.

[4metta]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Nobody cares if your gaming PC can beat a Mac or not. Apple's market is not the hard core gamer

At this point it's not even the casual gamer market which is considerably larger.

[mzaslove]

In reference to: Wakashizuma. You know, I don't drag-race my Ferrari. I don't "hop it up." I don't "play games" with it. I just enjoy it for being amazing to drive and a work of art. Just like my MacBook Pro (except it's amazing to work on, rather than drive). You can drive your Mustang or Yugo, or whatever... I'll keep my Ferrari, and my MBP.

[Rot'nApple]

Originally Posted by sosumi1981

So let me get this straight, you sign up on a Apple-centric website basically to bash Macs and Apple? Wow, that is awesome!!! You, you are truly awesome. What a great idea! I would never have thought that would be a cool thing, not even in a thousand years. But you, you thought of it and I applaud you!! Well played sir. WELL PLAYED! I'm gonna call you Awesome McAwsersome, because what you've done here is truly inspiring.

Keep up those witty and awesome remarks Mr. Awesome McAwsersome. You tell us Mac people how dumb we are. Damn you're awesome!!!

Cut him some slack, he's still into playing games!

[pomo]

Originally Posted by Wakashizuma

You guys are trying too hard; being productive or "organizing photos" or making "home movies"...how much marketshare did all these bring? 0.2%?
I mean come on. Do you think a PC user will pay for a mac machine so he can make home movies? for the sake saying bye to all the softwares that are windows compatible right?
ofcourse you call gaming waste of time. It's something that Apple can never get right so somehow you guys have to defend it!
While you guys are busing being "productive" and making home movies, Vista just sold more than Mac OSX ever did. Guess what? I got news for ya : Windows still rules the market! Get with the program!
By the way, how many software DVD players are available for mac except the one that comes with MacOSX?I can count many for windows tho!
What is it? nobody even bothers to develop a good DVD player for mac? man that must be sad!

You just contradicted yourself. Based on the statement above, Do you think that your average Joe would spend on a PC when a console is a way better gaming system?

Just to give you a heads up. Have you ever heard of the Fashion industry...no? How about the film industry? Mac computers are the industry standard because they are efficient, and powerful when it comes to pro apps (unlike your kiddie games). This applies to all pro industries such as the music, and creative designer, etc.

[sosumi1981]

Originally Posted by Rot'nApple

Cut him some slack, he's still into playing games!

Cut him some slack? I worship this kid, especially his generous use of ROFL! I mean he's not just LOLing, He's ROFLing. That is inspiring. Thats why he's Mr. Awesome McAwsersome to me.

[TBaggins]

Dang, Wakashizuma is getting gang-tackled.





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[JeffDM]

A very unusual crowd came out for this story.

Let me get this right, buy an expensive computer AND an expensive console is a better solution than an a properly spec'd expensive computer that can do both. The dual system setup had better be much better because it's a lot more expensive overall.