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Kasper's Automated Slave
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Apple sued for stifling air filtration firm
A Delaware company specializing in air purification is suing Apple Inc. in order to get the iPod maker to stop causing a ruckus over the airPOD name used to market its desktop-based air filtration systems.
In the 4-page complaint, filed last week in an Illinois district court, BlueAir Inc. alleges that counsel for Apple have been making a big stink since last summer over its request for a trademark on term airPOD. Lawyers for the Cupertino-based gadget maker have reported asserted likely confusion of BlueAir's airPOD mark with Apple's iPod mark, threatening to file oppositions with the United States Trademark Office, and more recently "making threats of seeking attorney fees and more." BlueAir charges that it's Apple, rather than itself, which is therefore creating the actual controversy between the parties and causing harm by way of those threats of trademark infringement and unfair competition. Introduced in June of 2006, BlueAir's airPOD product stands at 6-1/2 inches wide, 13 inches tall, and 3-1/2 inches deep. It comes clad in aluminum with the mark "airPOD" embossed on its front-side and must be plugged into a 110-volt outlet to operate. "There is no reasonable likelihood of confusion, mistake, or error in the marketplace for persons of even the lowest perceptive capabilities who are seeking an iPod music player considering or buying an airPOD desktop air cleaner instead," BlueAir's attorneys at Chapman and Cutler LLP argue in the suit. "'AirPOD' and iPod are distinct in sound, appearance, and connotation as applied to their respective goods," they add. "Although the ending --POD portions are identical, the initial portions AIR-- and i-- are distinct in appearance and connotation and distinguishable in sound as well to any ordinary observer." Nevertheless, the complaint claims that Apple requested an extension with the trademark office to allow it time to file opposition to BlueAir's trademark application, and that lawyers for the Cupertino-based firm subsequently e-mailed and telephoned counsel for BlueAir demanding the company withdraw its application for the "airPOD" name and rebrand its product under a new mark not containing the three successive letters "POD." "On information and belief, neither BlueAir nor Apple knows of any single bona fide instance of confusion between the AIRPOD mark on personal desktop air purifiers and the iPod mark for personal portable music players," BlueAir's attorneys say. "Indeed Apple has not opposed federal registrations or impending federal registrations of AIRPOD marks for air fresheners, carrying cases, and industrial air filters, nor has it, on information and belief, sought to stop the hundreds of other uses of AIRPOD and AIR POD marks for other products such as 'air time' recorders for snowboarders, and the like, findable in any Internet search for those terms." BlueAir is seeking an order from the Court that would end the harassment by declaring that its airPOD mark is not confusingly similar to Apple’s mark and that it may be used and registered without further interference from the iPod maker. |
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Even BlueAir's design is a knockoff of an iPod. Sue them back Apple!
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Nice, they even have a click wheel.
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Haha, that's supposed to be a fan!
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From a business standpoint, it looks like an iPod, it sounds like an iPod and they're making money from the iPod name. Tough luck.
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if it was JUST the name "airpod", or JUST the clickwheel-looking fan, i would say that this is bogus and that apple's just being stupid. i mean, apple didn't invent the word "pod."
however, given the combination of the two, apple might have an argument for better or worse |
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"the Cupertino-based gadget maker " ???
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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Maybe this speaks to future iPod development. Macbook Air could be a relative of a future AirPod that streams endless music from any configured source over WiFi and is the size of a postage stamp.
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And when they say "It's ok" - and Apple markets the airPod, they'll sure asking for damages, and or a part of the monies Apple has made, because they stole the name. or used the name, or some other bullshit thing.
It's ok with them now, but once Apple markets the AirPod and makes a killing, well that's another story! When will this all stop … Skip |
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Sue the hell out of them, I say...unless airPOD gets a new name.
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Aluminum MacBook; Black MacBook; Mac mini; 2 x iPhone 3G; Time Capsule, iPod Touch and a few other iPods kicking around. |
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A local "HOT DOG" stand USE to market their "Hot Dogs" by saying "We serve the Finest / Best HD"s in the world' Harley went after them, but DID lose, when the courts decided in this case that the HD stood for "Hot Dogs". But Harley did ASK them to spell it out from now on ![]() Point being, it's not who invented the word, it's how you or a company uses the word. The courts sided with the Hot Dog stand, because of something called the Gray Law, which say's something like "A word or words can be used if in fact it isn't part of a simular industry, or something like that'. Skip |
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Yep. That's the kicker. This isn't an accidental association. They've designed and named a product, attempting to ride on the coat-tails of another company's success.
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How do I get music onto my airPOD?
I can't figure it out but it sure smells clean! ![]() |
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What's the confusion? The AirPOD is too ugly to be an Apple product.
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Lord people, I'm an apple fan (no pun) but even I find this jagged pill difficult to swallow. First of all, it doesn't matter what the airPod looks like, it can look exactly like an iPod as far as the law in the situation matters. Apple is claiming to have legal TM rights over the term "Pod", meaning that any time any one wants to use "pod" in a product name Apple is going to throw a hissy fit and sue. Seriously? First suing "Think Secret", now this? America is a country that LOVES to sue, we use lawyers for way too much, heck, if you look at someone crossed eye they'll sue you. This is a frivolous lawsuit, and Apple is strong arming the industry. If they want to TM "airPod" then TM it, but don't bully those in the market who do, it's their legal right.
Jobs needs some Paxil for that OCD. Seriously. ![]() |
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Welcome to the legal world today
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Also, if you want to keep your trademark names, you have to show attempts to protect that name. Just check out styrofoam. They will jump on anyone using that name unless you are buying their brand of ----- polystyrene expanded foam cups. Live or what passes for it, moves on. :-) en |
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I thought Apple trademarked "i"...think iMac, iPod, iTunes, iDvd, iMovie....
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They should call it a "parody" of an iPod. It works in copyright law, perhaps it will work with trademarks. This product makes fun of iPod fanaticism, so it's unlikely Apple would create such a thing.
Those who're following the Rowling's lawsuit against The Harry Potter Lexicon can find more details here: http://rdrbooks.com/lexicon_info.html The key factor is that dispute is that much of the material in the book has been online for up to eight years without a peep of Rowling's lawyers. This dispute could cause copyright lawyers to become less casual with what's posted online. Last edited by Inkling; 01-25-2008 at 07:39 PM.. Reason: correction of typo, added remarks |
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Big Bully Apple
For crying out loud Apple, don't be such a bully on something that doesn't sound or look like an iPod. I'm as big an Apple fan as anyone else, but really, this is taking things too far. America just loves to sue the backside off anyone, about time common sense took over in the courts.
Sure, sue when there is a legitimate case, but this is too petty and too strongarm. ![]() |
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"A Delaware company specializing in air purification is suing Apple Inc.". |
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If Apple & Apple legal kept their big mouths shut, I would have never heard of airPOD or what it looks like or what it does. Out of all the third party stores like the ex-CompUSA, Costco, Target, et. al, I have never seen an airPOD anywhere within same said stores nor was I looking for one. Thank you Apple, I now know there is a desktop air purification system called the airPOD and you have given it more visibility then BlueAir Inc. could have ever hoped to achieve. I have no further interest in airPOD's and am moving on. Apple, so should you. ![]() |
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First, there a hundreds of products that use the word "Pod" in the name and Apple has not sent their lawyers after them. Second and more to the point, there are other products actually named airpod and Apple has not sent their lawyers after them. BlueAir's lawyers make Apple's argument and lack of trademark abuse even more clear with their statement below, it's not just the name - it's the name and the "iPod" look of the product combined. To think that BlueAir is not trying to benefit off the iPod popularity by using a similar name and look is absurd. In Apple's opinion there is clearly something there to defend... Quote:
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Further, I am baffled that people claim this product looks like an iPod because "the fan blade resembles an iPod click wheel". Ok, so using that reasoning are products that manufacture wheels that resemble the iPod click wheel and use the three letters "pod" in their brand name at risk for suit from Apple? Where does it end? I swear by Apple products, but I do not give any company a pass as much as Apple fans have been giving Apple. If this had been a Microsoft issue I'm certain the above comments would be MUCH different. I do not approve of any company strong arming the industry, and over the past few years I have seen Apple strong arm the industry a few times and I do not like it. Using legal tactics to dominate the market makes for a monopoly, and like any monopoly competition is stifled. Look at Wal-Mart (a loooong off topic discussion that I will reference quickly). It is well known that they use bullying to force companies such as Rubbermaid to manufacture their products in industrial nations such as China. Rubbermaid refused, stating they employ thousands of American's by keeping plants in the US. Wal-mart responded by pulling all their products from its shelves, costing Rubbermaid about 50-60% of its sales. Rubbermaid gave in, shutting their plants down in the US, and Wal-mart responded by opening stores in the EXACT same building as the Rubbermaid plants were. They bullied them out of the US, and took over where Rubbermaid USED to be, thus plowing down the playing field in many small cities in the US and ensuring a labor force for Wal-mart. It's these kinds of practices that make me sick, and while Apple is not Wal-mart, I still do not like where Apple, Inc. has been taking the company. Big business has killed small, private business, the environment and is part of the reason the middle class is deteriorating by using legal threats and suits to strong arm the industry, and in the end we all suffer from its consequences. These law-suits are frivolous and unnecessary, but this company would not have to take legal action had Apple not sent out its legal team to harass them. It seems Apple has been harassing this company for quite a while, claiming the use of "Pod" is a violation of TM agreements with Apple, yet they have not trademarked "Pod". Further, if Apple did have grounds why wasn't a legal suit filed? It seems as though Apple has been using their name and expensive legal team to threaten this company, in hopes they would give in or face huge legal fees. I'm glad they didn't, maybe it will wake Apple out of its state of grandiosity as they certainly seem to be getting full of themselves. In the end, I am typing this on my shiny aluminum keyboard, ACD and Mac Pro lol, and as long as Apple continues to make superior products I will forever be using a Mac. However, not at the expense of small business and not with these "Microsoft"-esque tactics. Shame on Apple. Quote:
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apple's insane legal department
lawyers are smart people who know how to justify their 6 digit incomes. they are great in inventing problems (where there actually are none) which they then offer to solve.
somebody has to reign in the apple goons as they are sometimes totally out of control. as now with this ridiculous case. |
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-1 : Lame accusation. I mean, is that really necessary? Would you like to be called to the mat as being paid by Apple? Argue the merits or demerits of the argument, don't go accusing people as being shills unless you have some hard proof.
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What many of you don't realize is that Apple is obligated to protect it's trademark, by law it has to, if they let this one slip by then they cannot defend the next one that comes by.
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Read my posts. What you don't understand is the fact that Apple does not have "Pod" or any variation thereof TM'd. If that were true, Apple would have filed suit instead of harassing this company, which only resulted in the company filing suit against Apple, Inc.
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Between Apple and the air filtration firm, who sucks the most ?
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No I think the question is, who "blows" the most?
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better
idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." -Rick Cook Last edited by MsNly; 01-27-2008 at 01:56 PM.. |
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> A Delaware company ...is suing Apple...
> by [asking court to declare] that its airPOD mark > is not confusingly similar to Apple’s mark Hmmm... Based on what I've read, they aren't actually suing Apple (they aren't asking for financial damages, etc.). They are just asking the court declare that they aren't violating Apple's trademark rights, thus assuring them ahead of time that Apple won't be able to dispute their trademark registration. And my guess is that the court will deny their request and tell them they must go through the standard registration process, which includes the risk of having someone object to your registration application. |
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A moment of clarity
I just got some random deep thoughts on this... this has just got to be true. It's too perfect:
Apple is suing first to get this company say publicly "no no no we don't see our products as being confusing to the public... no we swear!" Apple says "You swear? Promise? Super double-secret promise?!" Company: " really, never!" Apple says " oh good, cause we're coming out with a new product, and we're going to call it an Air Pod" and because they just made a public stink and slew of statements ( and will probably settle out of court with an agreement ) they will not be able to pursue Apple. Amazing. If apple had brought out an AirPod themselves, this company would fight them tooth and nail to prove that it *is* infringing. Amazingly clever, Apple. |
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confusing to a layman consumer is what trademarks are about
[QUOTE=mike99;1206715]> A Delaware company ...is suing Apple...
> by [asking court to declare] that its airPOD mark > is not confusingly similar to Apple’s mark Hmmm... Based on what I've read, they aren't actually suing Apple (they aren't asking for financial damages, etc.). They are just asking the court declare that they aren't violating Apple's trademark rights, thus assuring them ahead of time that Apple won't be able to dispute their trademark registration. POd as in iPod Air as in Macbook Air Click wheel look... Rip off I'd say they want to cash in on the ubiquity of Apple products and are just using the old "best defense is offense" tactics... |
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[QUOTE=breeze;1206754]
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I think it's kind of a gray area, it's a good idea to get this cleared up like they're trying to do. |
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