Confirmed Intel delay will push back MacBook overhauls

[AppleInsider]

Intel Corp. has confirmed that it will delay volume shipments of its upcoming "Montevina" Centrino 2 mobile platform by as much as two months, which will push a release of Apple's redesigned MacBook notebooks to late summer at the earliest.

The world's largest chipmaker said it now anticipates launching some of its new chipsets and Core 2 Extreme processors in July, rather than early June. However, volume shipments will not commence until sometime in early August.

At issue were two problems, according to Intel spokesman Bill Kircos. The first was a minor problem with the new integrated graphic chipset, which has since been corrected. The other was a clerical error on Intel's part when filing certification paperwork for the chipset's wi-fi component, which has delayed FCC approval.

"Both of these led us to establishing a launch date for our mobile processors and discrete chipsets of the week of July 14th, and taking a couple of weeks to get the right readiness and volume for the rest of our components," Kircos said. "We're looking at early August for that."

As a result, Apple and other mainstream notebook makers are unlikely to begin volume shipments of Centrino 2-based notebook designs until the tail end of the back-to-school buying season.

For its part, Apple has planed to introduce the first major redesigns of its MacBook and MacBook Pro notebook lines this summer alongside models that will sport Core 2 Duo processors from the Centrino 2 platform.

As AppleInsider reported earlier this year, those notebook families will see their industrial designs update to more closely resemble Apple's iMac and MacBook Air, both of which recently adopted aluminum enclosures with matte black highlights.

Both notebook families will use second-gen mobile Penryn chips debuting as part of the Centrino 2 platform, which will boast a 1066MHz front-side bus and clock between 2.26GHz and 2.8GHz, according to Intel documents.

[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]

[james948]

This sucks.

However, I don't really believe they need to wait for a small speed bump.
Just whack in an LCD screen, some more memory, a case re-design and release already.

[Rot'nApple]

Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Intel Corp. has confirmed that it will delay volume shipments of its upcoming "Montevina" Centrino 2 mobile platform by as much as two months,

I hope this won't be the start of an "IBMish" thing...

G5 laptop anyone???

[webfrasse]

Originally Posted by james948

This sucks.

However, I don't really believe they need to wait for a small speed bump.
Just whack in an LCD screen, some more memory, a case re-design and release already.

Yes! Because the world depends on it!!! We really can't wait anymore...they will be so pleased in Darfur, Middle East etc. Fuel prices will drop back and everyone will be happy:-)

Seriously...get a reality check.

/Mikael

[james948]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

Yes! Because the world depends on it!!! We really can't wait anymore...they will be so pleased in Darfur, Middle East etc. Fuel prices will drop back and everyone will be happy:-)

Seriously...get a reality check.

/Mikael

You, Mikael, are a GENIUS.

A FLAWLESS argument. In particular I love your 'Darfur, Middle East etc.'
Not only is your argument seamless but also topical.

You're a gem., Mikael.

[Rot'nApple]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

Yes! Because the world depends on it!!! We really can't wait anymore...they will be so pleased in Darfur, Middle East etc. Fuel prices will drop back and everyone will be happy:-)

Seriously...get a reality check.

/Mikael

'Rrrriiiinnngggg'. It's for you. REALITY CHECK CALLING...

Isn't today's "Darfur", the 90's "Somalia and the 80's "Ethiopia"? Plights like Darfur, just moves around from country to country, continent to continent and people say we must save "insert name here". Anyone checked up on Somalia or Ethiopia lately? How are they doing??

Middle East has been the Middle East since the turmoil of the Crusades! If the Middle East isn't fighting outsiders, they are fighting each other. Palestine case in point.

Fuel prices... 'tree huggers' wanted higher prices so there would be less driving, less driving - less pollution, less pollution - less greenhouse gas, less green house gas -a happier Al Gore. Like the oil executive who gave democrat Maxine Waters, who herself professes to be a liberal socialist from the 35th Congressional District of California (that explains it), if the tree huggin' politicians don't act to enact laws to allow more domestic supplies of oil, Americans will long for the $5.00/gal. of gas.

I'm always happy. Being grumpy gets you nowhere. Now that's reality!

[milimetersquared]

Originally Posted by james948

You, Mikael, are a GENIUS.

A FLAWLESS argument. In particular I love your 'Darfur, Middle East etc.'
Not only is your argument seamless but also topical.

You're a gem., Mikael.

i'm with james, here. first of all, apple probably has most components ready for the supposed next-gen appearence, so it shouldn't be that hard for them to give it a small speed bump with the current generation of chips and make that redesign available for students buying for college over this summer. and second, just shut up, "mikael"; i think you're the one who needs a "reality check". maybe if we had fewer people like you in the world, we wouldn't have problems like "darfur, middle east etc."…

[John French]

Nuts. It's typical, I know, but...I was really looking forward to an update in June...

[webfrasse]

Originally Posted by milimetersquared

i'm with james, here. first of all, apple probably has most components ready for the supposed next-gen appearence, so it shouldn't be that hard for them to give it a small speed bump with the current generation of chips and make that redesign available for students buying for college over this summer. and second, just shut up, "mikael"; i think you're the one who needs a "reality check". maybe if we had fewer people like you in the world, we wouldn't have problems like "darfur, middle east etc."…

Seriously guy...8 weeks. That's what you're hung up on to get a 10-20% speedbumb.

I'm a happy guy but this "5 year old tantrum...I want my candy now!" cracks me up. Look in the rear view mirror...what is 8 weeks. Was there anythig you couldn't with the existing HW/gadget toolbox.

Get a perspective.

/Mikael

[webfrasse]

Originally Posted by Rot'nApple

'Rrrriiiinnngggg'. It's for you. REALITY CHECK CALLING...

Isn't today's "Darfur", the 90's "Somalia and the 80's "Ethiopia"? Plights like Darfur, just moves around from country to country, continent to continent and people say we must save "insert name here". Anyone checked up on Somalia or Ethiopia lately? How are they doing??

Middle East has been the Middle East since the turmoil of the Crusades! If the Middle East isn't fighting outsiders, they are fighting each other. Palestine case in point.

Fuel prices... 'tree huggers' wanted higher prices so there would be less driving, less driving - less pollution, less pollution - less greenhouse gas, less green house gas -a happier Al Gore. Like the oil executive who gave democrat Maxine Waters, who herself professes to be a liberal socialist from the 35th Congressional District of California (that explains it), if the tree huggin' politicians don't act to enact laws to allow more domestic supplies of oil, Americans will long for the $5.00/gal. of gas.

I'm always happy. Being grumpy gets you nowhere. Now that's reality!

You really didn't get did you;-) Swooosh! What was that?

/Mikael

[james948]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

You really didn't get did you;-) Swooosh! What was that?

/Mikael

Once again Mikael displays his brilliant mind. Mikael, you are precious and rare. Keep posting.

[8CoreWhore]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

Yes! Because the world depends on it!!! We really can't wait anymore...they will be so pleased in Darfur, Middle East etc. Fuel prices will drop back and everyone will be happy:-)

Seriously...get a reality check.

/Mikael

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%...archy_of_needs

[james948]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

Get a perspective.

/Mikael

Mikael, did you mean get some perspective?

Probably not. Congratulations, again. Keep these beauties coming.

[satchmo]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

Seriously guy...8 weeks. That's what you're hung up on to get a 10-20% speedbumb.

I'm a happy guy but this "5 year old tantrum...I want my candy now!" cracks me up. Look in the rear view mirror...what is 8 weeks. Was there anythig you couldn't with the existing HW/gadget toolbox.

Get a perspective.

/Mikael

Perhaps you've just joined recently, but this is a geek forum.

[8CoreWhore]

Originally Posted by Rot'nApple

'Rrrriiiinnngggg'. It's for you. REALITY CHECK CALLING...

Isn't today's "Darfur", the 90's "Somalia and the 80's "Ethiopia"? Plights like Darfur, just moves around from country to country, continent to continent and people say we must save "insert name here". Anyone checked up on Somalia or Ethiopia lately? How are they doing??

Middle East has been the Middle East since the turmoil of the Crusades! If the Middle East isn't fighting outsiders, they are fighting each other. Palestine case in point.

Fuel prices... 'tree huggers' wanted higher prices so there would be less driving, less driving - less pollution, less pollution - less greenhouse gas, less green house gas -a happier Al Gore. Like the oil executive who gave democrat Maxine Waters, who herself professes to be a liberal socialist from the 35th Congressional District of California (that explains it), if the tree huggin' politicians don't act to enact laws to allow more domestic supplies of oil, Americans will long for the $5.00/gal. of gas.

I'm always happy. Being grumpy gets you nowhere. Now that's reality!

What doesn't get reported in the Britney media is the big powers involved and wars that result in mass migrations and consequently, starvation.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0819-26.htm

[zigzaglens]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

Yes! Because the world depends on it!!! We really can't wait anymore...they will be so pleased in Darfur, Middle East etc. Fuel prices will drop back and everyone will be happy:-)

Seriously...get a reality check.

/Mikael

Well put. I'm still disappointed, but thanks for putting it all in perspective.

[CubeDude]

Seeing as how Apple doesn't use either the graphics *or* wireless chips from Intel in the MBP, maybe they can get Intel to send a shipment of the rest of Montevina their way in time for a late June release?

One can dream...

[milimetersquared]

Originally Posted by zigzaglens

Well put. I'm still disappointed, but thanks for putting it all in perspective.

all this started with james just saying "this sucks" to the multi-month delay, and, i feel, he's perfectly right to say that. this isn't a forum about world occurences, it's about macs, and in the world of macs, a delay like this certainly does suck, especially for those of us who were counting on those new macbooks coming in june-early july

[Joe_the_dragon]

Originally Posted by CubeDude

Seeing as how Apple doesn't use either the graphics *or* wireless chips from Intel in the MBP, maybe they can get Intel to send a shipment of the rest of Montevina their way in time for a late June release?

One can dream...

apple should drop the Intel on board video in all there system like they had on there g4 and g5 systems or move to better ATI or nvidia on video chip sets.

[Rot'nApple]

Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore

What doesn't get reported in the Britney media is the big powers involved and wars that result in mass migrations and consequently, starvation.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0819-26.htm

A quote from the link you provided...

"This is a resource war, fought by surrogates, involving great powers whose economies are predicated on growth, contending for a finite pool of resources. It is a war straight out of the pages of Michael Klare's book, Blood and Oil; and it would be a glaring example of the consequences of our addiction to oil, if it were not also an invisible war."

What's sad, is that it is only a "resource war" because governments such as ours does not allow companies whose job it is to find oil, allow them to do just that, 'Find Oil' and since they can't, we have to "contend with a finite pool of resources". It's not that we are addicted to oil, but that we are a oil driven economy whether we like or not, but if it is as 'poisonous' as some people say, BAN it! Ban oil and get rid of all the cars and associated jobs with them and go back to the horse and buggy. Also, what other products are derived from petroleum that we may need to learn to do without?

"The chemical structure of petroleum is composed of hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. Because of this, petroleum may be taken to oil refineries and the hydrocarbon chemicals separated by distillation and treated by other chemical processes, to be used for a variety of purposes. See Petroleum products.

Fuels
Ethane and other short-chain alkanes which are used as fuel
Diesel fuel (petrodiesel)
Fuel oils
Gasoline
Jet fuel
Kerosene
Liquid petroleum gas (LPG)
Natural gas

Other derivatives
Certain types of resultant hydrocarbons may be mixed with other non-hydrocarbons, to create other end products:
Alkenes (olefins) which can be manufactured into plastics or other compounds
Lubricants (produces light machine oils, motor oils, and greases, adding viscosity stabilizers as required).
Wax, used in the packaging of frozen foods, among others.
Sulfur or Sulfuric acid. These are a useful industrial materials. Sulfuric acid is usually prepared as the acid precursor oleum, a byproduct of sulfur removal from fuels.
Bulk tar.
Asphalt
Petroleum coke, used in speciality carbon products or as solid fuel.
Paraffin wax
Aromatic petrochemicals to be used as precursors in other chemical production."

So let get rid of all the plastics, that through chemistry, petroleum helps us to create. What will the hospitals use again? It's a good thing Apple is getting away from plastics and going to Aluminum and Glass, although they still need to work on mac mini, apple tv, mice, keyboard, Airport, Time Capsule, etc. Asphalt, lets get rid of those asphalt roads and parking lots. We won't need them since we won't have cars.

If you want to get rid of oil - fine! What do you intend to use to replace its many uses for fuel and other derivatives?

[GimmeThatMac]

I guess I'll be grabbing my new MB now, then. I can't wait until August for a new laptop; Windows is killing me.

[vinea]

Please take this to AppleOutsider...

[elroth]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

Seriously guy...8 weeks. That's what you're hung up on to get a 10-20% speedbumb.

I'm a happy guy but this "5 year old tantrum...I want my candy now!" cracks me up. Look in the rear view mirror...what is 8 weeks. Was there anythig you couldn't with the existing HW/gadget toolbox.

Get a perspective.

/Mikael

What's up with you - why so much venom?

It's not just a speedbump - it's new chips that use probably 25% less power, thus run coooler (and faster) and use noticeably less battery power, thus running longer per charge, etc. etc. Hopefully these improvements will be significant in addition to the speedbump. For the MacBook, it's also a case redesign, possibly aluminum with better touchpad, keyboard, etc..

[roehlstation]

Why does everyone want a case redesign? The only thing I would want to do is an easier to get to hard disk, (granted, I've gotten good enough I can swap a drive out in 20 minutes.) I like their current case design. I've always liked this case design.

[Inkling]

Originally Posted by roehlstation

Why does everyone want a case redesign? The only thing I would want to do is an easier to get to hard disk, (granted, I've gotten good enough I can swap a drive out in 20 minutes.) I like their current case design. I've always liked this case design.

Agreed. Rumors of a metal case make me happy in a perverse sort of way. I bought a MacBook last fall, so I can take a pass on this new model. Someone really needs to sit Steve Jobs and the Ives designer guy down and show them that radio waves--meaning WiFi for MacBooks and cellular for the iPhone--don't go through or around metal well.

But then maybe I'm not thinking like Apple Marketing. Going metallic now will let them drop it in a year or two and trumpet that as a marvelous new feature. Detroit did that sort of thing in its "new model every year" era. Fins then no fins. One color, then two-tone. Vinyl tops, etc.

--Michael W. Perry, Untangling Tolkien

[Hattig]

Apple will just use a 802.11n chipset from another provider, they've never been slave to the Centrino branding which is retained for weaker PC manufacturers who can't market themselves.

As for Intel Integrated Graphics, the sooner that these are removed from all but the lowest Apple computers, the better.

[mSiqueira]

Originally Posted by the originally posted article

Both notebook families will use second-gen mobile Penryn chips debuting as part of the Centrino 2 platform, which will boast a 1066MHz front-side bus and clock between 2.26GHz and 2.8GHz, according to Intel documents.

So, I'll go offtopic (I mean, I'll talk about Macbooks... )

Is this Penryn a typo, or am I just misunderstanding the entire thing?

Montevina is suposed to replace Penryn as part of the Centrino 2 mobile platform - or am I just missing the whole point here?

[FuturePastNow]

Originally Posted by mSiqueira

So, I'll go offtopic (I mean, I'll talk about Macbooks... )

Is this Penryn a typo, or am I just misunderstanding the entire thing?

Montevina is suposed to replace Penryn as part of the Centrino 2 mobile platform - or am I just missing the whole point here?

Montevina is Intel's codename for a platform that includes a processor, a northbridge chip, and a wireless chip, all marketed under the name Centrino (which Apple does not use, by the way, since Apple doesn't use Intel's wireless chip). Penryn is the name of the processor core.

[aaple]

Hmm...I think that Montevina was the code name for the entire Centrino 2 platform, of which the 2nd gen Penryn chip is a part. But I could be wrong. I don't really know too much about processors...

Oh, I see that someone more knowledgeable beat me to the punch. So there you have it.

[Sabon]

"Days Since Update 295 (Avg = 188)"

Argh!!!! I want to buy one for Work so I don't have to haul my white 24" iMac back and forth from home to work all the time.

Note that I am a Systems Analyst at a organization that doesn't like Macs and they aren't thrilled that I bring my iMac in. I don't like being stuck looking at Windows all day so I bought a Samsung monitor to hook up to a Mac Mini and I'm just waiting until it gets updated to buy one. All my heavy "Mac" stuff gets done at home so I don't need a heavy one at work.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

Montevina is Intel's codename for a platform that includes a processor, a northbridge chip, and a wireless chip, all marketed under the name Centrino (which Apple does not use, by the way, since Apple doesn't use Intel's wireless chip). Penryn is the name of the processor core.

Correct. Apple uses custom designed motherboards, engineered by joint Apple-Intel teams, which happen to be quite Intel heavy.

This might actually give Apple an advantage if their motherboard design is not using the same wireless chip as the generic Centrino MB. But we here on this board are too reactionary to actually put much real thought into something, so...

WOOEESSS is USSS!!!!

[mSiqueira]

Originally Posted by FuturePastNow

Montevina is Intel's codename for a platform that includes a processor, a northbridge chip, and a wireless chip, all marketed under the name Centrino (which Apple does not use, by the way, since Apple doesn't use Intel's wireless chip). Penryn is the name of the processor core.

Clear...

So Montevina is actually replacing Santa Rosa, both of them could sport a Penryn core...

my bad

[webfrasse]

Originally Posted by elroth

What's up with you - why so much venom?

It's not just a speedbump - it's new chips that use probably 25% less power, thus run coooler (and faster) and use noticeably less battery power, thus running longer per charge, etc. etc. Hopefully these improvements will be significant in addition to the speedbump. For the MacBook, it's also a case redesign, possibly aluminum with better touchpad, keyboard, etc..

Venom? What? I cracked an ironic comment about the "outrage" of a 8 weeks delay of this "save the world" release from Intel. There will be one of these releases at least every 18 months....

Don't be so geeky. If I was in the market for buying a laptop now sure I would wait the extra 8 weeks but it doesn't make the one I have worse all of a sudden. Whenever you buy a computer that is the exact moment it's starting to be comparable slower to evering else being released but it's still a good computer.

Also notice that nothing has been said by Apple regarding all the features you "promised";-) What you listed has probably been true for every release from Intel the last 20 years....

/Mikael

[webfrasse]

Originally Posted by satchmo

Perhaps you've just joined recently, but this is a geek forum.

I know but it's even funnier when the geeks tries to defend the geekiness with some "logic".

/Mikael

[webfrasse]

Originally Posted by Rot'nApple

A quote from the link you provided...

"This is a resource war, fought by surrogates, involving great powers whose economies are predicated on growth, contending for a finite pool of resources. It is a war straight out of the pages of Michael Klare's book, Blood and Oil; and it would be a glaring example of the consequences of our addiction to oil, if it were not also an invisible war."

What's sad, is that it is only a "resource war" because governments such as ours does not allow companies whose job it is to find oil, allow them to do just that, 'Find Oil' and since they can't, we have to "contend with a finite pool of resources". It's not that we are addicted to oil, but that we are a oil driven economy whether we like or not, but if it is as 'poisonous' as some people say, BAN it! Ban oil and get rid of all the cars and associated jobs with them and go back to the horse and buggy. Also, what other products are derived from petroleum that we may need to learn to do without?

"The chemical structure of petroleum is composed of hydrocarbon chains of different lengths. Because of this, petroleum may be taken to oil refineries and the hydrocarbon chemicals separated by distillation and treated by other chemical processes, to be used for a variety of purposes. See Petroleum products.

Fuels
Ethane and other short-chain alkanes which are used as fuel
Diesel fuel (petrodiesel)
Fuel oils
Gasoline
Jet fuel
Kerosene
Liquid petroleum gas (LPG)
Natural gas

Other derivatives
Certain types of resultant hydrocarbons may be mixed with other non-hydrocarbons, to create other end products:
Alkenes (olefins) which can be manufactured into plastics or other compounds
Lubricants (produces light machine oils, motor oils, and greases, adding viscosity stabilizers as required).
Wax, used in the packaging of frozen foods, among others.
Sulfur or Sulfuric acid. These are a useful industrial materials. Sulfuric acid is usually prepared as the acid precursor oleum, a byproduct of sulfur removal from fuels.
Bulk tar.
Asphalt
Petroleum coke, used in speciality carbon products or as solid fuel.
Paraffin wax
Aromatic petrochemicals to be used as precursors in other chemical production."

So let get rid of all the plastics, that through chemistry, petroleum helps us to create. What will the hospitals use again? It's a good thing Apple is getting away from plastics and going to Aluminum and Glass, although they still need to work on mac mini, apple tv, mice, keyboard, Airport, Time Capsule, etc. Asphalt, lets get rid of those asphalt roads and parking lots. We won't need them since we won't have cars.

If you want to get rid of oil - fine! What do you intend to use to replace its many uses for fuel and other derivatives?

Swooossshhh!

/Mikael

[kyungjin]

Sorry for barging in on what appears to be some sort of debate going on... =_=;;

Anyway... I'm a Windows person so I'm not so Mac-savvy (I guess you would say...) Anyway, I'm wondering whether the one month delay of Montevina will have any sort of effect on Intel's future platforms (specifically Nahalem) and consequently the effect it would have on it finding its way to the Mac future mobile platform (the Macbook Pro to be more specific).

I'm kinda looking at purchasing one when Montevina or Nahalem comes out (to replace my now dead 5 year old Dell notebook) so that I can run Windows on it through Boot Camp (I'm mostly buying it because of the hardware and design over the fact that I can run the Mac OS on it, which I'm not quite too comfortable with). Anyway, I'm in need of a new computer so I'm kinda wondering what Apple's offering for its users anywhere from now to 6 or 7 months into the future...

[webfrasse]

Originally Posted by kyungjin

Sorry for barging in on what appears to be some sort of debate going on... =_=;;

Anyway... I'm a Windows person so I'm not so Mac-savvy (I guess you would say...) Anyway, I'm wondering whether the one month delay of Montevina will have any sort of effect on Intel's future platforms (specifically Nahalem) and consequently the effect it would have on it finding its way to the Mac future mobile platform (the Macbook Pro to be more specific).

I'm kinda looking at purchasing one when Montevina or Nahalem comes out (to replace my now dead 5 year old Dell notebook) so that I can run Windows on it through Boot Camp (I'm mostly buying it because of the hardware and design over the fact that I can run the Mac OS on it, which I'm not quite too comfortable with). Anyway, I'm in need of a new computer so I'm kinda wondering what Apple's offering for its users anywhere from now to 6 or 7 months into the future...

All you're going to get is rumors. Apple never announces roadmaps for product updates but you can bet on that they will follow what Intel does. That has been true since the switch. Next announcement is on June 9th.

/Mikael

[retroneo]

Originally Posted by Rot'nApple

I hope this won't be the start of an "IBMish" thing...

G5 laptop anyone???

Without AMD being such a strong competitor, expect more of this...

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by webfrasse

All you're going to get is rumors. Apple never announces roadmaps for product updates but you can bet on that they will follow what Intel does. That has been true since the switch. Next announcement is on June 9th.

/Mikael

Apple follows Intel's CPU roadmap, not the generic motherboard package roadmaps. Since it is a motherboard package problem, not a CPU problem, we have much ado about very little.

[mdriftmeyer]

Future Listing of Intel Chipsets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icroprocessors