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Secure data wipe built into iPhone Software v2.0
Responding to concerns over the integrity of the iPhone's data reset methods, Apple has taken the extra step and built a more secure data wipe function into the next version of the handset's software, AppleInsider has learned.
People familiar with the beta versions of iPhone Software v2.0 say the upcoming release will employ a more foolproof method of erasing all personal data and settings from an iPhone. As is the case with the existing version of iPhone software, the function will be accessible by selecting Settings > General > Reset > Erase All Contents and Settings. Unlike today's iPhone software, however, the revised function will wipe data in similar fashion to the "Secure Empty Trash" function of Mac OS X, by which all data is deleted, unlinked, and then overwritten several times to make it irretrievable by even the savviest of recovery tools. As such, the new function will take considerably longer to complete -- about an hour for a typical 8GB iPhone. A progress bar appears during the process. During the data wipe, users should connect their iPhone to its power adapter as the process is believed to be CPU intensive. The updated functionality arrives following reports that an Oregon State detective was able to successfully retrieve personal data -- including emails, photos and financial information -- from a refurbished iPhone sold by Apple. Jonathan Zdziarski, author of the "iPhone Open Application Development,” noted that Apple's existing erase-and-restore function leaves all of a user's personal data "sitting in the unallocated blocks of the iPhone's NAND memory." And there's no viable, publicly available method for erasing the personal data from the Apple handset, he added. Data reset panel in iPhone Software v1.1.4 on left, v2.0 on right. The improvements to the iPhone's data wipe will also arrive at a time when masses of original iPhone owners will be attempting clear information from their handsets and resell them to others after upgrading to an iPhone 3G. iPhone software 2.0 will also include among its many enterprise-ready features a function called "remote wipe" that was designed to protect data stored on iPhones by offering a means to remotely wipe them clear in the event that they are lost or stolen. According to official statements made by Apple during its developers conference earlier this month, as well as this press release, "iPhone 2.0 software will be available on July 11 as a free software update via iTunes 7.7 or later for all iPhone customers." However, a gold master version may be provided to some Apple employees and partners as early as friday. |
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My only question... is this as good, or better than what is offered to Blackberry users?
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."
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so if my old iphone locks up after switching to the new phone how will one access this function?...
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they should also have a "find locate" ability, so when one is stolen, apple or att is notified, a wipe is done and connected to wifi OR network, it's located, and a picture is taken something like they have for the mac/ laptops that would put a big negative for stealing this thing. make this ability part of the os, not just be buying software, that way the "black market" would be minimized. i wish ipods had that ability, when an ipod is stolen, it can be located when connected to itunes
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Remote Wiping
Maybe someone can explain the Remote Wiping in further detail for me. It seems quite easy to bypass. You take someone's iPhone, crack it open and pull out the SIM chip. Now it is no longer on the network and cannot be remote wiped. This can all be done within minutes of losing your phone. It could be that this feature isn't meant to prevent people from stealing company/personal secrets but rather a feel good way of knowing you might be able to wipe your information should you lose your iPhone. Is my assessment correct that the only connection the iPhone has for remote wiping is through the SIM chip?
[edit] I realize that the iPhone can connect wirelessly to the internet but that is easily stopped also by turning off wireless access. The only identifying feature of the iPhone would be the MAC address at that point. I think it all sounds great in theory but no where near secure enough to prevent someone from taking secrets off an iPhone. The only plausible secure way would be to encrypt all the data on the iPhone and allow access to the data through a password you enter every time you utilize your iPhone. Then if you lost your iPhone and the encryption was strong enough they would be out of luck. You can't crack strong encryption like you can on TV. Then thief's would need to, once again, resort to Social Engineering to obtaining passwords and information. [/edit] Thanks, Andrew Last edited by darkopz; 06-25-2008 at 01:39 PM.. |
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Remote wipe is done via the unique code of the phone I believe (the ISDN or whatever it is called) and so even with a new sim, it would still send the same code, and would wipe.
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Is this the same or different than the remote erase that was mentioned for the 2.0 software? I've never used a Blackberry so I don't know how their security works, but I was under the impression that the 2.0 software provided the ability to submit a request over the cell network to erase all data on the phone. Or is that just a feature for enterprise customers because it seems like it could be useful for regular consumers as well if the phone were lost or stolen. This version seems to require access to the phone which seems to defeat most of the purpose. And what happens if the process is halted because the battery dies before completion? Will it continue the process after charging?
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"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."
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• Stupid crook of the month Quote:
I think it's the IMEI, I hope someone can give us some insight into how robust it is. |
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good as Blackberry or better
@SpamSandwich & @caliminius
This would make the wiping features of the iPhone *greater* than those of the Blackberry. They both have remote secure wipe (or will have with iPhone 2.0), but the iPhone now has a "local" version of the same thing (as described in the article). I'm fairly certain that the BlackBerry can't do a "local wipe" in the same way, but the two phones could be seen as "feature identical" if turns out I am wrong on that. So either this is "as good" as Blackberry" or (most likely) "better." |
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Umm... didn't Apple announce this feature when they announced the SDK, like... months ago?
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I think the 4 digit PIN is too weak. It's a touch-screen interface and not a number pad so i would like to have the option for using a PIN length of my choice or a proper password of my desired length.
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They announced remote wipe, not local wipe. That's new.
Collecting my SSD iMac Fry-die. :D
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Why so long? 8GB = an hour?
Also, do you need to overwrite flash memory multiple times the way you do on a magnetic disk? I use Secure Empty Trash on my MBA with SSD, but I wonder if it's necessary as much as it would be on a traditional HDD. |
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Both are new to the iPhone. What I think Stuart is referring to is the SDK event where Apple announced that Exchange support for v2.0 will offer remote wipe. Of course, that relies upon ActiveSync being set up on your handset.
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As for the time, that is about how long it takes when you use iTunes to restore a full 8Gb to a clean device. The processor speed and slow write speed of NAND seems to be the issue. Quote:
"The IMEI number is used by the GSM network to identify valid devices and therefore can be used to stop a stolen phone from accessing the network. For example, if a mobile phone is stolen, the owner can call his or her network provider and instruct them to "ban" the phone using its IMEI number. This renders the phone useless, regardless of whether the phone's SIM is changed."Note: ZiPhone, which is used to jailbreak and unlock iPhones, has an option to input a user created IMEI. This can not be helped. HW has to be represented in software at some point. Even MAC addresses are only the software representation of the BIA (burned-in address) and can be altered very easily. Your router at home probably has this option available. Last edited by solipsism; 06-25-2008 at 02:31 PM.. |
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Actually it isn't so much it takes iTunes that long (it doesn't, it takes several minutes) but it would be because of the wiping process, and yes, the slow write speeds and such. It would be "US Department of Defence 5220-22 M standard" which is 7 pass over the drive - this would have to do with the army guy who spoke at the WWDC keynote, and how with the military using them, with their data, they need that standard of wipe
When reinstalling OS X, you get the option to US DOD security erase the drive, also in disk utility. |
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Drive by remote wipes :(
I wonder how many hackers are working on exploits to do unauthorized remote wipes on iPhones, just to screw with Apple and make a name for themselves.
I hope that remote wipe can be disabled for iPhones bought by individuals for personal use.
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That's what she said!
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Also, now that the iPhone has GPS (which can be used independent from cell network access), there is one more way of tracking a phone. The remote wipe feature is not really intended to protect against people who are stealing your phone for the purpose of stealing information. Rather, the remote wipe feature is intended to clear data so that if the phone is lost, or stolen by someone who wants the phone for the electronics, not for the data, the stealer can't wander upon personal data. |
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The many passes thing has to do with slop in writing/reading magnetic media. If the head is slightly off from the exact location of the previous write for a particular bit, the previous write will still be readable. That is, it is still readable if you take the drive platters out and put them into a mind-bogglingly expensive and precise machine that can read the margins between bits of magnetically stored data. Incidentally, the same thing used to be true of magnetic tape and analog recordings. Flash media has no "between the bits" or "between the tracks". |
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Remote wiping probably is not a secure delete. Or should the iPhone display a message saying, "Please connect the iPhone to a power source so we can start a secure wipe"?
Maybe remote wipe has a secure delete of some key data like the address book. Secure wipe and remote wipe are two different things, they might share some elements but one isn't the superset of the other. |
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You're old phone isn't going to lock up. You're just only going to have one valid SIM card at a time. Unlike other phones, the iPhone allows you to boot the phone without a valid SIM card. It will not automatically relock itself.
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According to the Center for Magnetic Recording Research, "Secure erase does a single on-track erasure of the data on the disk drive. The U.S. National Security Agency published an Information Assurance Approval of single pass overwrite, after technical testing at CMRR showed that multiple on-track overwrite passes gave no additional erasure."I was thinking of that. Could you send out a broadcast wipe to all devices or do it have to do a secure handshake first to determine source and some special code?• http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/D...onTutorial.pdf |
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Amen! Am I the only one that feels that any function built into software or hardware will occasionally happen inadvertently, maliciously, or just plain spontaneously? (I've known two people who had their airbags go off in their face just driving down the road....)
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But the NSA (and other 3 letter agencies) are more than capable of reading single-pass erased data. It just requires some really expensive hardware and software that pretty much nobody has. Not that any of us have data that the feds want that bad. ![]() |
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Yeah, that's what I meant.
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![]() To paraphrase the old saying..."All wipes are local".
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."
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"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."
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Heh, heh. I do have Blackberry functionality available on my phone, but I don't use the service.
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Truth be told, I assumed that it would have been availible on iphone 1.0 at launch, it doesnt need hype, it is a standard, hyping this is like saying CHRGER INCLUDED....everyone just assumes that with a high end smart phone.
You can't quantify how much I don't care -- Bob Kevoian of the Bob and Tom Show.
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Fear not, it would requier teathering to an enterprise environment, which is a 2 step process, the admin sets access permissions on your network account, nd you run the enterprise setup tools on the phone...so long as you do not run those tools and successfully tie into a corprate network, they cant do remote wipe.
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If the functionality is present, a hacker could potentially utilize it even without involving a corporate network. Granted, if a hacker has gained access to the system, they could just delete everything anyway. |
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BUT: Someday the iPhone may be able to scan the hands/fingers of the thief and register DNA information into some database in the cloud. And you thought Apple's DRM was a bitch!
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