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Text to get smarter in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, expected this summer, will deliver a variety of advanced text related features across all applications that use Core Text, according to people familiar with Apple's plans.
While Mac OS X already delivers integrated, system wide spelling and grammar checking, as well as "smart copy/paste," "smart quotes," and "smart links," each of which offers to enhance text as it is being typed, it's reported that Snow Leopard will significantly expand upon text entry with a series of expanded features along similar lines. Automatic spell check Among the new features are automatic spell correction, which, according to people familiar with the software, will optionally allow the system to fix obvious spelling errors while the user types, rather than only underlining misspelled words in red squiggles for the user to correct themselves. Auto correction is already a feature of the iPhone, where words that appear to be misspelled are popped up in a suggestion bubble that can be touched to dismiss if the correction isn't desired. In Snow Leopard, automatic spell correction will simply replace words such as "teh" or "spelll" once the user hits the spacebar. Like the existing spell correction using red squiggle underlines, the feature comes directly from Microsoft Word, which similarly offers to automatically correct words while the user types. The new system wide improvement will simply extend the feature to all applications. Like the existing spell check and similar features, the automatic spell check can also be switched off by the user. Substitutions Another feature new in the Snow Leopard Core Text engine is Substitutions, something that will be familiar to users of the Palm OS as well as Word users. Microsoft refers to the feature in Word (below) as part of AutoCorrect called "replace text as you type." In Snow Leopard, users will similarly be able to define a list of phrases or long words that will be automatically substituted when the user types a given character sequence. For example, "MOSX" could be designated to expand to "Apple's Mac OS X operating system," or whatever the user desires. Those familiar with recent betas say a variety of substitutions are already defined in Snow Leopard, including items common to Word, such as typing "(c)" to obtain the copyright symbol. Each of these substitutions can be manually turned on and off individually, and the user can add as many new items as they wish. Smart pasteboard: Services Snow Leopard will also expand upon novel copy and paste features that originated at NeXT and from the Classic Mac OS. The first is Services, which was coined at NeXT. Services is an architecture that allows the operating system to copy text or other information, send it to another app for processing, and then optionally return it in a modified form. Mac OS X already supports Services, but they're all hidden away in a big messy submenu under the Application menu. To use them, a user currently needs to make a selection, then navigate the cluttered menu looking for the desired action. While many applications install Services they can perform, few of them are very useful. In Snow Leopard, it's reported that a smart selection of relevant Services will appear right in the contextual menu of a selection, making their utility far more obvious. The items will also be tagged with the applications' icon, such as a Mail icon representing the ability to "Send [the selected text] to Mail." In addition, a new submenu in the contextual menu will reportedly offer to perform "Transformations," such as changing the selected text to all caps, or all small letters, or capitalized. This would appear to be a new type of Services offered by the system itself, essentially copying the selection to the pasteboard, performing an algorithm on it, and then returning it to the working document. Smart selection: Data Detectors A somewhat related feature, this time derived from work done at Apple's Advanced Technology Group in the 1990s, is Data Detectors. They enable the system to recognize bits of text as actionable items, such as addresses, phone numbers, or dates. Leopard reintroduced the technology in Mac OS X by enabling detected data in Mail to be used to create iCal events or Address Book contacts. In Snow Leopard, sources say, Data Detectors can be turned on anywhere text appears within an application that uses the Core Text framework. That means a bit of text that appears to be a phone number would be highlighted with a subtle menu control that offers to, for example, add the number to either an existing or new contact in Address Book. |
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I just hope they provide simple means to undo the "correction" where it is undesirable.
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I doubt these new features have much to do with Core Text. CT is used for lower-level text operations such as typesetting and font operations. Editing features like these are more likely a feature of Cocoa's text system, independently of Core Text.
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I would love to see Data Detectors support in Safari (and also on the iPhone), as this is a very useful tool when it comes to adding an event to iCal directly from the web, or a contact to Address Book, or even an easy link to Google Map address online.
However I am also wondering if the reason it was not done is potential security exploits. Like a badly formed address causing a crash or something. However if it is a service in Mail then I don't see why it can't be a system wide service in other apps. Besides, it is a user initiated procedure, so perhaps the security is not as bad as something automatic. Last edited by Oh-es-Ten; 03-09-2009 at 05:47 AM.. Reason: typo |
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Auto-correct would be handy I guess. I'd use it.
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This sounds that stuff that has been available from third parties for free (like Wordservices from http://www.devon-technologies.com/pr.../services.html ) will now be built-in.
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Personally, I would rather see Apple take the time to improve how NSTableView interacts with text. For example, a table really should automatically cache row height for wrapping text. I never have understood the point of wrapping text in a NSTableview within Interface Builder. Without programatically calculating the above problem, it is useless.
If I am all wet on this, someone please point it out, I would love to see a solution to this problem. |
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Yeah, no doubt. What if you intentionally wanted to spell something wrong or didn't want the first letter of a sentence capitalized? How would you override that without having to go back and forth to the preferences?
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Last edited by unscriptable; 03-06-2009 at 12:22 PM.. Reason: Quote didn't get added |
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I am guessing a command z will do the trick. Open pages and try to make a list. (a), (b), (c). When you hit spacebar after the ")" on the c, it will create the copyright symbol (assuming you haven't changed your preferences). To get the (c) back, just command z.
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heheI wish they had a Learn Spelling app that could be manually edited. The file is in ~/Library/Spelling/ and it opens up with a text editor, but there are so many hidden control characters that the average user will mess it up if they try to edit it.
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Keyboard text navigation standards would be nice too
While Apple's getting some good ideas from Microsoft, here's hoping they copy Windows' system-wide use of the HOME and END keys (and other related keys): [substituting Command for Control]
HOME - move to the beginning of the line END - move to the end of the line CMD+HOME - Top of document CMD+END - End of document CMD+LEFT/RIGHT ARROW - Move by word CMD+UP/DOWN ARROW - Move to beginning of Previous/Next Paragraph CMD+PAGE UP/PAGE DOWN - Move to beginning of Previous/Next Page (and for those with crippled/laptop keyboards: OPTION+HOME/END: Top/End of document OPTION+LEFT/RIGHT: Beginning/End of Line OPTION+UP/DOWN: Beginning of Previous/Next Page Windows has these very useful text navigation keyboard shortcuts at the system level, so no matter what program you're using, they act the same (unless the app has a specific reason to change them). It's really handy. (And surprising -- for the most part Apple's keyboard shortcuts and mnemonics have always been more consistent and common-sense than Windows. Except for these simple text navigation keys.) |
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You can only get the full-size keyboard with your new iMac online (BTO) from Apple - even the Apple Stores can't sell you an iMac with full-size keyboard! So I doubt Apple is going to put much effort into adding functions for those keys. |
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Grammar check do not work for me none.
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"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."
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"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."
—Thomas Jefferson Proud AAPL stock owner. |
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Command+Left Arrow: Move to the beginning of the line Command+Right Arrow: Move to the end of the line Home: Top of document End: End of document Option+Left Arrow/Option+Right Arrow: Move by word Option+Up Arrow: Move to beginning of paragraph Option+Down Arrow: Move to end of paragraph Note that Microsoft's OS X apps, of course, do their own thing and ignore these rules--making the keyboard shortcuts more like Windows (Home/End goes to the beginning/end of line, etc.)--making it frustrating when every other app I use uses the "correct" Mac conventions. |
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If the article is about iPods, they use "Cupertino-based iPod-maker," and so on. |
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I can just about touch type the arrow keys (incl. combinations with fn to give you home, ie, beginning of the document, etc.) on the Mac notebook keyboards (and presumably also on the compact external ones, I have not tried it). Try that with a standard keyboard, ie, using home, delete and the arrow keys without looking at the keyboard, much harder to do.
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Also note that on the compact (no numpad) keyboards--and Apple laptops--you just hold Fn to get the "missing" keys (which used to be better marked):
Fn-LEFT = Home Fn-RIGHT = End Fn-UP = PgUp Fn-DOWN = PdDown Fn-Delete = Right-Delete Fn-Return = Numpad Enter (I've always thought Fn-number-key should give you the Numpad number instead, but I don't think it does. A few apps use the numpad for shortcuts, which are then missing on laptops.)
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I love Apple hardware, but I have to say their input devices are junk. If you are going to do any real work on a Mac, the first thing you need to do is get a good two-button scroll mouse and full-size (preferably ergonomic) keyboard.
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iWork already does Substitutions
iWork apps already do the substitutions you describe. In Tiger. So this really isn't "new" for Apple per-say, just "new" at the system level.
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It's Word
I'll do you one better. This is a screenshot of the AutoCorrect dialog in Word 2008…
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Cupertino start your photocopiers!
I think I'll stick with Typinator.
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Oh dear, TeckStud isn't going to like this thread.
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Believe nothing, no matter where you heard it, not even if I have said it, if it does not agree with your own reason and your own common sense.
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You AppleInsiderInsiders are cracking me up. I don't know how you got a copy of the super secret AppleInsider Development Guide, typically kept under lock and key at Slash Lane's underground fortified bunker buried deep beneath the streets of Cupertino, to which only Katie Marsal has the other key, but I demand you destroy it immediately. I've acquired special clearance to release an excerpt. Quoting from page 1056 of that super secret manual, printed right before the entry on Steve Ballmer: "Apple, Mac maker, iPod maker, iPhone maker, definitely-not-a-tablet maker, Cupertino-based company, the one with the fruity nomenclature, big cat tamer, Redmond frustrater, Gates' family's forbidden fruit, the palace at 1 Infinite Loop, that place where that one Jobs guy works..." Already I've said too much. If you have some new, non-ridiculous ideas on how to avoid saying "Apple" a trillion times in each story, I'll take them under advisement.
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I knew I was missing something, but I think the joke worked anyway.
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In my Win 95 days, I had MS Works. It would by default, auto-correct spelling and auto-cap the first letter after punctuation. Sometimes it would assume incorrectly and it was almost impossible to fix. As long as this stuff can be turned off. As long as Apple is making improvements like these, how about a new voice to match the quality of Alex!!! Also, more keystroke shortcuts. With the creation of Voice Over, Apple has made things better. It is still too mouse driven. In my Windows days, I could function without a mouse, except for the web. I miss that.
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Applei = "the Cupertino-based iphone-maker" But seriously 'auto correct', or 'auto complete' can be a mixed blessing. A right click in the middle of the text should give the option to turn it off. I wonder where the menu in the article appears. In the days when Microsoft used to assume they knew what you wanted to write or how you wanted to capitalize etc. when using Word I was continuously helping people turn the feature off. |
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This would be a useful feature for us old fogeys to be able to communicate with under-16s. There would have to be a command-alt-control-8 equivalent, whereby you type in the word correctly, and it would be translated into a form readable by the text generation For example type in Great! See you tonight! and it would automatically translate into gr8 c u tnt. Ah language is a wonderful thing indeed!
Believe nothing, no matter where you heard it, not even if I have said it, if it does not agree with your own reason and your own common sense.
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Code White = New Shiny Stuff!
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Data Director would be very useful IMHO.
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Multilingual users
It would be great if Apple allowed users to switch text tool languages ON and OFF depending on the language of documents that users are working on.
Many users have to speak, read and write more than one language, especially for work or study, so that the possibility to use text tools in different languages is important. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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![]() In fact, ADD has been one of my most-missed techs from the Classic days, so I'm thrilled to see it coming back into play. It, combined with Services, offers an entirely different classification of data manipulation by the user.
My brain is hung like a HORSE!
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Data Detectors?
We had this crap in Openstep, internally at NeXT. |
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I am definitely guilty of whining about the use of the terms "the Cupertino based... etc". It is pathetic, I guess, and clearly I have too much time on my hands (actually, I am just King of the Procrastinators), but I don't actually see what is wrong with saying Apple a trillion times. I guess 'the company' would reduce that number to 500 000 000 000, which is a start. Personally I would prefer the Mac maker, or the iPhone maker to the 'Cupertino based...' which seems convoluted and and long winded. There is also plenty scope for removing the name altogether from a sentence. But I once promised not to complain about this anymore so I'm not complaining. I'm just sayin'.
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If they implement it like this in OS X as well, then it will be quite useless and turned off in my case at least. |
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Of course emacs mode should work (and to some extent already does) for people who prefer it. And of course the plain stupid current way for people who don't know better . |
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